Speculation: 2022-23 Roster Thread Part II

[pbgoalie]

I'm not in favor of trading Rico this year. And if Rico continues his very good play next year, then I wouldn't want to trade him then either b/c we really do lack top-6 talent to help our youths develop.

I’d be in favor of trading virtually anybody for a great return.

But I don’t want to give up on players like Gibson , Henrique, etc for crap just to say we got something.

It’s very early but I’m concerned about some of the Verbeek moves. Our goalies are getting shelled and devalued. The defense we put up is actually disgusting (again destroying our goaltending).

And none of the trades (barring Manson) have impressed.

Our “veterans” seem useless too (on the surface). Hopefully inside the room they are great

 

[MMC]

We're at 22, so no corresponding move will be needed

 

[MMC]

Terry and Zegras are now neck and neck in the team scoring race, Terry with 38, Zegras with 37, with both playing in every game. Who do you think will finish the season with more points?

 

[Leonardo87]

Terry and Zegras are now neck and neck in the team scoring race, Terry with 38, Zegras with 37, with both playing in every game. Who do you think will finish the season with more points?

If Terry can break being snake-bitten think he will come on top. Right now he is overthinking and holding his stick too tightly. I think if he scores one or two within a game or two, the ketchup bottle will start to flow.

 

[JlindiesANA]

Best Surprise and Biggest Disappointment article from the Athletic

Disappointment:

it is the underwhelming impact of the veterans general manager Pat Verbeek brought in last summer that has been the most discouraging development. The four players — John Klingberg, Ryan Strome, Frank Vatrano and Dmitry Kulikov — weren’t expected to be superstars, but the idea was that they would fill huge gaps and help Anaheim be more competitive on a nightly basis. Instead, all four have struggled to varying degrees and the team is even worse than the one gutted at last year’s trade deadline. — Eric Stephens​

Have to disagree a bit with Stephens. Vatrano has 18 points in 46 games. He had 39 points in Florida for 81 games in the 2018-19 season.

If anything he’s doing normal career numbers. And this is on a horrible team unlike Florida.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Have to disagree a bit with Stephens. Vatrano has 18 points in 46 games. He had 39 points in Florida for 81 games in the 2018-19 season.

If anything he’s doing normal career numbers. And this is on a horrible team unlike Florida.

Shocking, stephens does his most cringe work when he tries to act cool/trendy jumping on the hate bandwagon.

 

[JlindiesANA]

Shocking, stephens does his most cringe work when he tries to act cool/trendy jumping on the hate bandwagon.

Yah maybe it’s because he joined the athletic? He was never this way when he worked for the register. Really disappointing to say the least.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

Shocking, stephens does his most cringe work when he tries to act cool/trendy jumping on the hate bandwagon.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Have to disagree a bit with Stephens. Vatrano has 18 points in 46 games. He had 39 points in Florida for 81 games in the 2018-19 season.

If anything he’s doing normal career numbers. And this is on a horrible team unlike Florida.

Are you using his stats from five years ago? Why not use his more recent stats?

2020-21, Fla: 56 games (max is 56 games), 26 pts and +8
2021-22, total: 71 games, 32 points, and +4
................ Fla: 49 games, 19 pts, and -2
................ NYR: 22 games, 13 pts, and +6

2022-23, Ana: 46 games, 18 pts, and -24

You have to look at the totality of his game, not just his offense. That -24 is absurd. For comparison, Rico played 45 games, 27 pts, and -2.

Goal production and +/- differential

Vatrano: 18 pts + (-24) = -6 goals production​

Rico: 27 pts + (-2) = +25 goals production​

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

Grant sighting!

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Grant sighting!

I was like... "I know it's been forever, but is that Grant at the end of the clip?" He's still alive! ALIIIIiiiiiiiive!

 

[Leonardo87]

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

Who knew Strome was the secret sauce all along?

 

[Mr Rogers]

It seems like the days of pure playmaking centres like Getzlaf, Sedin, Backstrom, Thornton etc are kinda over. There are Cs who might have passing biases, like Zegs, but they also like to score goals.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

It seems like the days of pure playmaking centres like Getzlaf, Sedin, Backstrom, Thornton etc are kinda over. There are Cs who might have passing biases, like Zegs, but they also like to score goals.

Couple forwards that come to mind this season, although to your point, not that heavy on the assists vs goals:

Kucherov: 18g, 48a
Marner: 17g, 39a
MacKinnon: 13g, 38a
Panarin: 12g, 35a
Kuznetsov: 6g, 34a

 

[Mr Rogers]

Couple forwards that come to mind this season, although to your point, not that heavy on the assists vs goals:

Kucherov: 18g, 48a
Marner: 17g, 39a
MacKinnon: 13g, 38a
Panarin: 12g, 35a
Kuznetsov: 6g, 34a

it's interesting how many of the pure playmakers these days are wingers

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

 

[Leonardo87]

Some food for thought. Ducks went 3-2-1 on this last road trip, and had 3 regulation wins in that span. It had taken them 20 games in to get their first regulation win against a team we shall not talk about, lol.

Eakins with the lines blender last night, I am curious what he will try for tomorrow’s game.

 

[cheesymc]

Some food for thought. Ducks went 3-2-1 on this last road trip, and had 3 regulation wins in that span. It had taken them 20 games in to get their first regulation win against a team we shall not talk about, lol.

Eakins with the lines blender last night, I am curious what he will try for tomorrow’s game.

If Eakins finds success again Verbeek needs to fire him on the spot and crush all hopes for the rest of the year. Shoot… fire all coaches during one of the intermissions and go coachless for the rest of the season. He can do what Murray did and go behind the bench to ruin all momentum.

 

[Leonardo87]

If Eakins finds success again Verbeek needs to fire him on the spot and crush all hopes for the rest of the year. Shoot… fire all coaches during one of the intermissions and go coachless for the rest of the season. He can do what Murray did and go behind the bench to ruin all momentum.

If you are worried about the tank, I expect the team to be gutted again by TDL, giving Eakins even less to work with.

I’m happy with the recent results because Zegras, Terry, and Mac are making a difference. That is our future.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Some food for thought. Ducks went 3-2-1 on this last road trip, and had 3 regulation wins in that span. It had taken them 20 games in to get their first regulation win against a team we shall not talk about, lol.

Eakins with the lines blender last night, I am curious what he will try for tomorrow’s game.

Putting Jones with McTavish and Vatrano worked out great.

 

[Leonardo87]

Putting Jones with McTavish and Vatrano worked out great.

Yeah I agree. I think Mac was struggling against the top competition being on the top line. Now on a more 3rd line he won’t get the opponents top pairing D. Jones can do the dirty work and Mac and Vatrano who both can score and make it work. I’m still annoyed they took that assist away from Mac, lol

 

[cheesymc]

If you are worried about the tank, I expect the team to be gutted again by TDL, giving Eakins even less to work with.

I’m happy with the recent results because Zegras, Terry, and Mac are making a difference. That is our future.

That is true. I was especially worried about Macs development but he looks to be persevering through the hardships so that is a great thing to see.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

If you are worried about the tank, I expect the team to be gutted again by TDL, giving Eakins even less to work with.

I’m happy with the recent results because Zegras, Terry, and Mac are making a difference. That is our future.

Putting Jones with McTavish and Vatrano worked out great.

I think we're forgetting about Lundy's return and his impact as part of the youth core. In the past four games since he's returned he has 2 pts, +4 rating, and 56.5% at the faceoff dot (26/46). We are 3-1 with Lundy in the lineup. Maybe dynamic Lundy is helping our forward core mask our defense with better forward depth. And with Lundy being back, the odd forward out is Leason.

McTavish spent a long time as 3/4C with Jones and Leason as his wingers. That line has chemistry and played well on the ice. With Vatrano replacing Leason, McTavish has a better offensive player with speed.

I'm happy that Lundy is back to dynamic Lundy from last year instead of the bad version of Lundy to start the season. Eakins did say at the start of the season that Lundy got injured and was still trying to work through things. This extended time to recover due to a broken finger has helped whatever lingering injury he had so he can be dynamic again. Dynamic Lundy was our best defensive forward last year and we've been missing that defense for most of this season.

 

[Kalv]

Yeah I agree. I think Mac was struggling against the top competition being on the top line. Now on a more 3rd line he won’t get the opponents top pairing D. Jones can do the dirty work and Mac and Vatrano who both can score and make it work. I’m still annoyed they took that assist away from Mac, lol

On one hand yes, on the other hand, he won a D-zone faceoff against McKinnon and 5 seconds later scored a goal while making a fool out of Makar just last night