Speculation: 2022-23 Roster Thread Part II

[JlindiesANA]

Looks like Klingberg has submitted his 10 team no trade list this week. He knows he’s being shipped out.

https://www.vegashockeynow.com/2023...wwnm9XPIyJo4hsBhxM7smD6NY#lcxslsm3hlq5k7npfmo

 

[DuckDuckGetz]

Looks like Klingberg has submitted his 10 team no trade list this week. He knows he’s being shipped out.

https://www.vegashockeynow.com/2023...wwnm9XPIyJo4hsBhxM7smD6NY#lcxslsm3hlq5k7npfmo

The contract he signed was a full NTC that becomes a 10-team NTC this month.

So regardless he was going to submit it

 

[JlindiesANA]

The contract he signed was a full NTC that becomes a 10-team NTC this month.

So regardless he was going to submit it

Yah. Just wanted to update everyone it’s been submitted this week. It’s not everyday Anaheim gets trade rumors lately. It’s everyone else

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Here's what everybody's currently pacing. Each column calculated individually and rounded up, so goals and assists might not equal total number of points.

Player	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM
Terry	82​	23​	42​	65​	-19​	31​
Zegras	82​	25​	36​	61​	-46​	80​
McTavish	82​	17​	32​	50​	-23​	38​
Henrique	80​	25​	19​	44​	-2​	38​
Strome	82​	19​	21​	40​	-42​	63​
Fowler	82​	8​	29​	36​	-29​	11​
Vatrano	82​	11​	21​	32​	-38​	50​
Klingberg	69​	10​	15​	25​	-44​	38​
Silfverberg	80​	10​	10​	19​	-29​	15​
Kulikov	82​	4​	13​	17​	-32​	50​
Shattenkirk	72​	0​	17​	17​	-21​	61​
Comtois	61​	10​	4​	13​	-21​	105​
Lundeström	46​	2​	10​	11​	-11​	4​
Leason	71​	6​	4​	10​	-29​	11​
Carrick	53​	6​	4​	10​	-15​	67​
Jones	57​	4​	6​	10​	-27​	59​
Grant	29​	4​	2​	6​	-11​	15​
Benoit	74​	2​	4​	6​	-32​	78​
Beaulieu	42​	0​	6​	6​	-23​	57​
White	34​	0​	4​	4​	-10​	11​
Megna	31​	0​	4​	4​	-17​	4​
Vaakanainen	32​	0​	2​	2​	-25​	0​
Drysdale	15​	0​	0​	0​	-6​	4​
Kirkland	13​	0​	0​	0​	-6​	0​

A breakdown of McTavish's scoring split between C and LW.

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McTavish​	​	​	​
Position​	Games​	Pts​	PPG​
Total (C and LW)​	43​	26​	0.60​
At LW​	12​	4​	0.33​
AT Center​	31​	22​	0.71​

The first 9 games, McTavish played LW on the 2nd line with Strome-Vatrano. Games 13-15, he played LW with three different centers, 3C Lundy, 2C Strome, and 4C Gawdin, respectively.

Game 39 is the first time McTavish was inserted as 1C. As 1C, he's got 6 points in five games. He's been silent on the scoresheet for the past three games, but he's on the ice helping the team score even though he's not on the scoresheet.

It's crazy to think of how fast McTavish moved up from 2LW to 4C to 3C and finally 1C. 2C lasted one period b/c our other three centers were getting mauled against the Blues. We reverted McTavish back to 3C for the remaining periods.

 

[Kalv]

Eakins did say that Lundy was injured early in the season and was still trying to work through it. Maybe Lundy's injury never fully recovered and he just kept working through it? Hopefully, Lundy has fully healed this time to be as dynamic as he was last year.

Hopefully that's the casem. It would hurt our tank tho but I miss Lundy from last season

 

[Hockey Duckie]

The contract he signed was a full NTC that becomes a 10-team NTC this month.

So regardless he was going to submit it

Never assume that. I'm grateful for the news that Klingberg DID submit his 10-team NTC list. Remember last year's debacle with Dadanov and his mysteriously missing 10-team NTC list? Crossing t's and dotting i's are important.

 

[MMC]

Never assume that. I'm grateful for the news that Klingberg DID submit his 10-team NTC list. Remember last year's debacle with Dadanov and his mysteriously missing 10-team NTC list? Crossing t's and dotting i's are important.

I mean if he never submitted one, it wouldn't create a trade "debacle", he just would have to go wherever we chose to send him

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I mean if he never submitted one, it wouldn't create a trade "debacle", he just would have to go wherever we chose to send him

The "debacle" was referencing how we missed out on Dadanov completely. If you're gonna point out specifics, then be specifically correct on what a person is referencing it with. Unless you're saying that us missing out on Dadanov for free wasn't a debacle?

Reporting that Klingberg did send in his list isn't an inconsequential reporting.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

Dang at the beginning of the season Terry was flirting with 100 point pace

 

[Boo Boo]

The "debacle" was referencing how we missed out on Dadanov completely. If you're gonna point out specifics, then be specifically correct on what a person is referencing it with. Unless you're saying that us missing out on Dadanov for free wasn't a debacle?

Reporting that Klingberg did send in his list isn't an inconsequential reporting.

If klingberg didn’t submit his list then klingberg would have a debacle not us. Pretty sure if that happened it would be as if he didn’t have a ntc at all.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

If klingberg didn’t submit his list then klingberg would have a debacle not us. Pretty sure if that happened it would be as if he didn’t have a ntc at all.

A poster just made of fun of another poster for sharing Klingberg did his thing. For f***s sake, how is sharing news a negative damned thing?! I shared how important crossing t's and dotting i's with the Dadanov trade. That Dadanov trade was a debacle, and it affected the Ducks because we lost out on Dadonov for free.

Dadanov sent his list to Ott. Things went bad from there. Klingberg sent his list in. He did his job. Now, it's up to the Ducks org NOT TO f*** IT UP. I'm pretty sure some people don't know the Dadadov debacle very well to comment.

 

[MMC]

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Best Surprise and Biggest Disappointment article from the Athletic

Disappointment:

it is the underwhelming impact of the veterans general manager Pat Verbeek brought in last summer that has been the most discouraging development. The four players — John Klingberg, Ryan Strome, Frank Vatrano and Dmitry Kulikov — weren’t expected to be superstars, but the idea was that they would fill huge gaps and help Anaheim be more competitive on a nightly basis. Instead, all four have struggled to varying degrees and the team is even worse than the one gutted at last year’s trade deadline. — Eric Stephens​

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

Here's what everybody's currently pacing. Each column calculated individually and rounded up, so goals and assists might not equal total number of points.

Player	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM
Terry	82​	23​	42​	65​	-19​	31​
Zegras	82​	25​	36​	61​	-46​	80​
McTavish	82​	17​	32​	50​	-23​	38​
Henrique	80​	25​	19​	44​	-2​	38​
Strome	82​	19​	21​	40​	-42​	63​
Fowler	82​	8​	29​	36​	-29​	11​
Vatrano	82​	11​	21​	32​	-38​	50​
Klingberg	69​	10​	15​	25​	-44​	38​
Silfverberg	80​	10​	10​	19​	-29​	15​
Kulikov	82​	4​	13​	17​	-32​	50​
Shattenkirk	72​	0​	17​	17​	-21​	61​
Comtois	61​	10​	4​	13​	-21​	105​
Lundeström	46​	2​	10​	11​	-11​	4​
Leason	71​	6​	4​	10​	-29​	11​
Carrick	53​	6​	4​	10​	-15​	67​
Jones	57​	4​	6​	10​	-27​	59​
Grant	29​	4​	2​	6​	-11​	15​
Benoit	74​	2​	4​	6​	-32​	78​
Beaulieu	42​	0​	6​	6​	-23​	57​
White	34​	0​	4​	4​	-10​	11​
Megna	31​	0​	4​	4​	-17​	4​
Vaakanainen	32​	0​	2​	2​	-25​	0​
Drysdale	15​	0​	0​	0​	-6​	4​
Kirkland	13​	0​	0​	0​	-6​	0​

Other than the +/-, that seems like a pretty standard year for Fowler.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Best Surprise and Biggest Disappointment article from the Athletic

Disappointment:

it is the underwhelming impact of the veterans general manager Pat Verbeek brought in last summer that has been the most discouraging development. The four players — John Klingberg, Ryan Strome, Frank Vatrano and Dmitry Kulikov — weren’t expected to be superstars, but the idea was that they would fill huge gaps and help Anaheim be more competitive on a nightly basis. Instead, all four have struggled to varying degrees and the team is even worse than the one gutted at last year’s trade deadline. — Eric Stephens​

What was the surprise? That they were so disappointing?

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

What was the surprise? That they were so disappointing?

It's an article picking the best surprise and biggest disappointments of each team. Here was the surprise:

Anaheim Ducks​

Best surprise: Mason McTavish

Considering he was among the preseason favorites for the Calder Trophy, it might be a stretch to say McTavish is that “big” of a “surprise,” but there aren’t many good surprises to pick from in Anaheim — and the fact that he is making progress by the week and flourishing for a team deep in last place has made him a singular bright spot in a torturous season for the Ducks. McTavish is among the top rookie scorers and is now playing first-line center after starting the season on left wing and centering the third and fourth lines at times. He hasn’t turned 20 yet and still has lots of growing to do, but his play often resembles that of a more mature soul.

 

[MMC]

Maybe I'm alone but I haven't found Kulikov, Strome, or Vatrano disappointing at all really? They've all been as productive as I expected. Guys like Jones, Silfverberg, Lundestrom, Comtois, Gibson, and obviously Klingberg have all been much more disappointing to me than any of those 3

 

[robbieboy3686]

Maybe I'm alone but I haven't found Kulikov, Strome, or Vatrano disappointing at all really? They've all been as productive as I expected. Guys like Jones, Silfverberg, Lundestrom, Comtois, Gibson, and obviously Klingberg have all been much more disappointing to me than any of those 3

+1

 

[c4rcy]

Maybe I'm alone but I haven't found Kulikov, Strome, or Vatrano disappointing at all really? They've all been as productive as I expected. Guys like Jones, Silfverberg, Lundestrom, Comtois, Gibson, and obviously Klingberg have all been much more disappointing to me than any of those 3

I think Kulikov has been just fine and as advertised. Good partner for Cam I think in general.

Strome and Vatrano were the guys brought in to help elevate the team through their veteran presence and experience in the playoffs. Even though their play has been more or less consistent with past performance, I think the fact that our young guys don't really feel less pressure by their play or have broken out in a way we wanted creates some sort of neutral or negative feeling. Strome has been sort of the right place right time when he has scored the majority of his goals IMO, so it doesn't seem like the scoring is also consistent with his general play.

But ditto to the rest, especially Klingberg. Comtois' development really took a dive when we lost Getzy I think as he now has to be the more physical guy down low to try to win pucks. He has looked better the last few games, but we're scraping for positives.

 

[Leonardo87]

Maybe I'm alone but I haven't found Kulikov, Strome, or Vatrano disappointing at all really? They've all been as productive as I expected. Guys like Jones, Silfverberg, Lundestrom, Comtois, Gibson, and obviously Klingberg have all been much more disappointing to me than any of those 3

I would add Comtois to the not so disappointing list, the entire team is down. I know some folks want to give Eakins the benefit of the doubt with such a lacking roster in depth, but I believe it’s the combination of A poor roster and poor system, and why everyone‘s production is down where it should be.

Not to be Strome’s white knight here, but he went from playing with Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, and Fox, on their Top PP unit (which got well over a min and change) To a 2nd unit with Klingberg, Shattenkirk, and Silfverberg. Also, skated with Panarin at ES all season. I think Strome has been more than fine in Anaheim, given the situation.

I’ve also been fine with Vatrano but was hoping for more goals to be honest.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

Maybe I'm alone but I haven't found Kulikov, Strome, or Vatrano disappointing at all really? They've all been as productive as I expected. Guys like Jones, Silfverberg, Lundestrom, Comtois, Gibson, and obviously Klingberg have all been much more disappointing to me than any of those 3

They've done probably as well as to be expected given the circumstances. I don't think anyone figured they'd come in and turn the team around overnight.

I agree with the others you mentioned to varying degrees. Jones just can't seem to find any traction and his development period is probably gone now. Age and injury caught up to Silfverberg. Lundestrom looked really off before he got injured. Comtois just can't consistently produce. Gibson has been buckling under the workload for years. The sooner Klingberg is gone, the better - a totally failed experiment on the ice.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Maybe I'm alone but I haven't found Kulikov, Strome, or Vatrano disappointing at all really? They've all been as productive as I expected. Guys like Jones, Silfverberg, Lundestrom, Comtois, Gibson, and obviously Klingberg have all been much more disappointing to me than any of those 3

I think Kulikov is a good partner for Fowler when he’s where he belongs (the 2nd pairing), but gets exposed when he has to play on the top pairing (as does Fowler). I would be ok with a short extension for him, not sure he would want to stay here though.

Strome and Vatrano are ok for the 2nd line. I think the problem is that the kids no longer have Getzlaf, and the new guys aren’t going to be on the top line insulating them. Zegras is t physically or emotionally ready to be a top line guy, and Terry is good enough to be a legit top line non-passenger, but he isn’t good enough to be able to carry a couple 2nd liners as the only legit 1st line guy.

Agreed as to the rest.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I would add Comtois to the not so disappointing list, the entire team is down. I know some folks want to give Eakins the benefit of the doubt with such a lacking roster in depth, but I believe it’s the combination of A poor roster and poor system, and why everyone‘s production is down where it should be.

Not to be Strome’s white knight here, but he went from playing with Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, and Fox, on their Top PP unit (which got well over a min and change) To a 2nd unit with Klingberg, Shattenkirk, and Silfverberg. Also, skated with Panarin at ES all season. I think Strome has been more than fine in Anaheim, given the situation.

I’ve also been fine with Vatrano but was hoping for more goals to be honest.

I dunno, I think the issue with this team starts with the defense. They can’t defend. Their gap control is lousy. They can’t make outlet passes. The only guys with any physicality are Benoit, Shattenkirk, and Beaulieu, who are all 6-7’s.

Edit - and Kulikov, but I feel like his physicality has dropped off with the rest of his play the last few weeks.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

I dunno, I think the issue with this team starts with the defense. They can’t defend. Their gap control is lousy. They can’t make outlet passes. The only guys with any physicality are Benoit, Shattenkirk, and Beaulieu, who are all 6-7’s.

I haven't seen this discussed much, but that's been surprising to see this season. He's stood out to me on a few occasions standing up at the blueline and closing the puck carrier off against the boards.

Never thought I'd see that after his first 2 years here.

 

[anezthes]

Don't agree with the majority here regarding Gibson, but I'm too Getzlaf to be his white knight. Not a fight I can win, and you know what they say about people arguing on the interwebs.

As for the rest of the team, they've all been disappointing in one way or another, and I had low expectations coming into this season.