2022/23 Roster Thread III: Run It Back!

[JojoTheWhale]

I know this sounds simple, but it's something I don't think has been mentioned much. JVR wasn't the only possible avenue to creating cap space. If you're a creative team, you can make two trades to fit Gaudreau. Hell, you can make two trades with one of them being a deal where you retain on JVR to turn him into a positive asset.

Again, they should blow it up. But if they're not going to, they had a path to a meaningful star and couldn't get it done. It's the worst of both worlds.

 

[freakydallas13]

I know this sounds simple, but it's something I don't think has been mentioned much. JVR wasn't the only possible avenue to creating cap space. If you're a creative team, you can make two trades to fit Gaudreau. Hell, you can make two trades with one of them being a deal where you retain on JVR to turn him into a positive asset.

Again, they should blow it up. But if they're not going to, they had a path to a meaningful star and couldn't get it done. It's the worst of both worlds.

How many other teams are in the position where they have almost half a dozen different contracts that need to be bought out or traded for cap relief as soon as next year?

Is there even one?

 

[Striiker]

Jokes on you. I made it seem like you got your freedom, but instead you now have to endure all these shit posts from people you had on ignore.

Basement doesn't sound so bad now, eh?

People I have on ignore? Are you confusing me with someone who isn’t stupid?

The only people on my ignore list are the ones the admins placed on there.

 

[TheKingPin]

We could have traded Provorov for some high end pieces and gotten JG.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

I dont want Atki, I dont want Gritty, I dont want Dinosaurier, I dont want Naziangelo, I dont want Dogkev


I HATE MY LIFE!!! Can someone rescue me out of this nightmare!


Atki isnt a hockey player he is a living mascot

 

[JojoTheWhale]

How many other teams are in the position where they have almost half a dozen different contracts that need to be bought out or traded for cap relief as soon as next year?

Is there even one?

You've sent me into the depths of CapFriendly. I started with the Canucks out of habit and it's not as bad as I thought. They're almost out of their mess.

I don't have any idea what Tampa is going to do with this looming bill, but you know, they're good players. Not the same animal. Washington's got some issues, but they don't come with 4 and 5 years of term. The closest I can come is Vegas, who could have some absolute whoppers. But at least they think they're in full win-now mode. Same goes for Pittsburgh with their aging core.

 

[Chinatown88]

People I have on ignore? Are you confusing me with someone who isn’t stupid?

The only people on my ignore list are the ones the admins placed on there.

So you getting into NCAAF and criticizing Howie with me and the boys for his terrible draft pick value trades?

 

[Striiker]

So you getting into NCAAF and criticizing Howie with me and the boys for his terrible draft pick value trades?

I agree with whatever you tell me

 

[freakydallas13]

You've sent me into the depths of CapFriendly. I started with the Canucks out of habit and it's not as bad as I thought. They're almost out of their mess.

I don't have any idea what Tampa is going to do with this looming bill, but you know, they're good players. Not the same animal. Washington's got some issues, but they don't come with 4 and 5 years of term. The closest I can come is Vegas, who could have some absolute whoppers. But at least they think they're in full win-now mode. Same goes for Pittsburgh with their aging core.

So, 3 teams that won cups recently, plus Vegas who is fully going for it and was also in a cup final recently.

I'd also be willing to bet the quality of players these teams invest in are much higher than the Flyers' albatross contracts.

Great spot to be in.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

So, 3 teams that won cups recently, plus Vegas who is fully going for it and was also in a cup final recently.

I'd also be willing to bet the quality of players these teams invest in are much higher than the Flyers' albatross contracts.

Great spot to be in.

It is a bit hard to take it seriously when you're talking about John Carlson vs Rasmus Ristolainen as if they're the same.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I think Minnesota had 4 or 5 players they needed to buy out after Fletcher and a whole slew of guys who needed retention to move.

 

[ajgoal]

Meltzer, in his blog, stated that the asking price for JVR was the Flyers 2023 1st. For 1 year at $7 million, for a still useful 25 goal scorer? Nothing about that passes the smell test. Many teams low on the totem pole could theoretically use JVR + 2024 FLA 1st + deadline pick for absolutely nothing. It's even a way to hit the floor while gaining a valuable asset. Most half-intelligent GMs should see that as a value win. Substantially worse contracts, with worse term and for basically non-rosterable players, get traded for far less than a probable top 10 pick.

I think it really just goes back to Fletcher being the nadir of NHL negotiators -- losing leverage putting himself in untenable positions too -- and other GMs want to bleed him dry like vampires. There's no chance if that was a Hurricanes contract or Lightning contract that it doesn't get moved at a fraction of the cost. Other teams know who the suckers are.

You're wrong. There's no way Chuck could have backed himself into a corner like that.

 

[DancingPanther]

Striiker is back

 

[deadhead]

How many other teams are in the position where they have almost half a dozen different contracts that need to be bought out or traded for cap relief as soon as next year?

Is there even one?

Huh? What?
There's no hurry unless you have a perverse desire to overpay for 29 year old players in free agency.

JVR is $7M off the books.
Ellis is probably LTIR indefinitely.
Braun is $1.7M off the books.
TDA is $5M off the books in two years
That"s $8.7 next year, $13.7 in two years
Move Atkinson $2M retained and that's $3-5M off the books.

Hayes, Laughton stick around until Gauthier shows he's a 2C or Frost has a miraculous ascension.
Risto gets moved in a couple years if the young D-men step up and/or they draft one in the top ten.
You can move most of these contracts with some money retained, which doesn't matter b/c you're still getting cap relief with no urgency to spend it (rebuilding teams should stay far away from free agency other than to bottom feed).

 

[Magua]

Striiker is back

 

[Lord Defect]

That's not the problem the problem is if you decide JG isn't worth it b/c the team isn't good enough to justify a long-term commitment, then have the balls to start the rebuild and sell that to the fans.

Do something, anything, other than running around like a chicken with its head cut off.

If JG isn’t worth snagging, you don’t spend any assets to acquire any players. You sell off assets at a positive value, take back bad contracts, play the youngings.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Who let you out?

You Must of only paid for a month of bible camp opposed to whole summer ?

 

[ajgoal]

I know this sounds simple, but it's something I don't think has been mentioned much. JVR wasn't the only possible avenue to creating cap space. If you're a creative team, you can make two trades to fit Gaudreau. Hell, you can make two trades with one of them being a deal where you retain on JVR to turn him into a positive asset.

Again, they should blow it up. But if they're not going to, they had a path to a meaningful star and couldn't get it done. It's the worst of both worlds.

I see snarky Jojo is gone and reasonable Jojo is back. Boo.

Seriously, though. There were several reasonable paths to make the JG acquisition if that was truly a goal. To fixate on just trying to get out of JVR, when you had to know the asking price would just go up as you got closer to FA, is asinine. It just reeks of tunnel vision and a lack of flexible thinking. Of course, I think that signing JG at the stage where the Flyers are would have been asinine as well, so...

You've sent me into the depths of CapFriendly. I started with the Canucks out of habit and it's not as bad as I thought. They're almost out of their mess.

I don't have any idea what Tampa is going to do with this looming bill, but you know, they're good players. Not the same animal. Washington's got some issues, but they don't come with 4 and 5 years of term. The closest I can come is Vegas, who could have some absolute whoppers. But at least they think they're in full win-now mode. Same goes for Pittsburgh with their aging core.

The Flyers don't?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I’m glad he made the team worse even if it’s unintentional. But you see higher end depth players go for practically nothing. Then Chuck spends noticeably more on guys like Deslauriers & Braun.

Like I’m tired of the excuses for this guy. There’s good depth players to be had out there on the cheap but Chuck’s too incompetent &/or lazy. Chuck rather have the Thompson, Braun, Deslauries, Grant, Yandle, etc. of the world instead.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Sens season tix up 25%, our phones were lit up with people trying to cancel.


Let’s go Sens !!!!

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Sens season tix up 25%, our phones were lit up with people trying to cancel.


Let’s go Sens !!!!

We might be icing a lineup with Deslauries, MacEwen, & Seeler this upcoming season. Most teams don’t employ one face puncher let alone multiple anymore.

 

[Striiker]

Striiker is back

I’d have been back quicker if someone had called CPS and had them check @Starat327 ’s f***in basement.

But nope. I had to sit down there for weeks, listening to his goofy ass record episodes of a craft beer review podcast through the ceiling.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I’m glad he made the team worse even if it’s unintentional. But you see higher end depth players go for practically nothing. Then Chuck spends noticeably more on guys like Deslauriers & Braun.

Like I’m tired of the excuses for this guy. There’s good depth players to be had out there on the cheap but Chuck’s too incompetent &/or lazy. Chuck rather have the Thompson, Braun, Deslauries, Grant, Yandle, etc. of the world instead.

Only one mistake in 4 years though

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I see snarky Jojo is gone and reasonable Jojo is back. Boo.

Well, I’ve been trying to clean up my act. I figure a fancy degree and being so spineless I take on the shape of whatever container you pour me into is most of the way to qualifying for a GM spot. Now all I need is for my dad to cover up something horrific for an NHL franchise and Steve Simmons will be bitching about me on Twitter in no time.

 

[Evergreen]

Huh? What?
There's no hurry unless you have a perverse desire to overpay for 29 year old players in free agency.

JVR is $7M off the books.
Ellis is probably LTIR indefinitely.
Braun is $1.7M off the books.
TDA is $5M off the books in two years
That"s $8.7 next year, $13.7 in two years
Move Atkinson $2M retained and that's $3-5M off the books.

Hayes, Laughton stick around until Gauthier shows he's a 2C or Frost has a miraculous ascension.
Risto gets moved in a couple years if the young D-men step up and/or they draft one in the top ten.
You can move most of these contracts with some money retained, which doesn't matter b/c you're still getting cap relief with no urgency to spend it (rebuilding teams should stay far away from free agency other than to bottom feed).

You’re nuts if you think we are moving Hayes’ contract or Risto’s contract in the future without giving up significant assets to do so.