2022/23 Roster Thread III: Run It Back!

[DancingPanther]

I’d have been back quicker if someone had called CPS and had them check @Starat327 ’s f***in basement.

But nope. I had to sit down there for weeks, listening to his goofy ass record episodes of a craft beer review podcast through the ceiling.

A fate worse than death. Or worse....Flyer fandom

 

[Striiker]

A fate worse than death. Or worse....Flyer fandom

He says he’s starting a subscription based service called OnlyHops and I’m just done with his shit

 

[DancingPanther]

He says he’s starting a subscription based service called OnlyHops and I’m just done with his shit

Pretentious bastard

 

[Starat327]

He says he’s starting a subscription based service called OnlyHops and I’m just done with his shit

If you want tobeat again we need the business to take off. Sacrifices have to be made, ok?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The only positive thing you can say about the Flyers cap situation/contract outlook is that the team very likely stinks for the foreseeable future making them less damaging as they could be anymore. Since the Flyers don’t have a window.

Even guys like Sanheim, Konecny, & Provorov are currently in their prime years & will be close to exiting them by the time the Flyers could realistically re-up the talent on this roster. Couturier’s deal could be problematic though. I’m assuming Ellis goes on the LTIR retirement plan eventually otherwise I’d mention him too.

 

[bennysflyers16]

We might be icing a lineup with Deslauries, MacEwen, & Seeler this upcoming season. Most teams don’t employ one face puncher let alone multiple anymore.

Add Brown and Fisto to those 3 , we may not win 10 games.

I truly hope Reaves or Wilson embarrass this poor plug early in the season.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Add Brown and Fisto to those 3 , we may not win 10 games.

I truly hope Reaves or Wilson embarrass this poor plug early in the season.

Ryan Reaves is a UFA next year so if that happens he’ll be a Flyer guaranteed.

 

[DancingPanther]

We need a cry emoji

 

[Striiker]

We need a cry emoji

Like this?

 

[flyersnorth]

I’m going to go out on a limb, though, & say they’re better than people think.

DeAngelo is a good player. He’s a significant upgrade to their defense. He’s controversial, but that doesn’t mean he’s not a pretty big upgrade.

Full season of an older, more mature York, playing the correct side? Also an upgrade.

A D of (however you mix them):
Provorov-DeAngelo
Sanheim-Risto
York-Braun

Is not bad. And I’ve gotta think Provorov sharpens back up under Torts & Shaw.

On offense, having a healthy Couturier AND a healthy Hayes changes everything.
And they’ve got a multitude of young players where it’s put up or shut up, & hopefully some do. They also have some prospect depth knocking on the door who could surprise if a younger vet doesn’t cut it.

They’ve got Torts. They made a few changes to help set a hard-to-play against mindset.

It’s a team that could gel together if they get a few good breaks instead of only bad ones.

So, yeah, I wanted the excitement of opening a Johnny Hockey present. There’s also a pretty good chance in a couple years it’s a blessing they don’t have it.

This team could end up with a young, nothing to lose, pain in the ass mindset with no superstar but keeps improving.

I’ve seen it happen.

Or, Chuck’s out by the New Year & we’re hoping for Bedard.

I’ve decided to take the hopeful perspective instead of the miserable one, as frustrating in-the-moment as yesterday was.

One thing is for sure, though: They damn well regret that stupid “aggressive retool” phrase.

They could definitely be better than we think right now. I wouldn't put money on it, but it absolutely could happen.

Coots, Hayes, Farabee coming back healthy, Hart, Frost, Tippett, TK, Atkinson, Sanheim, DeAngelo - there's talent there. Maybe something clicks.

If they actually are better, and sustain it over the long haul, that means there's something to hope for. Gotta start somewhere, right?

 

[DancingPanther]

Like this?

Poor terminology on my part, I meant a cry react thingy. You know what I mean

 

[deadhead]

You’re nuts if you think we are moving Hayes’ contract or Risto’s contract in the future without giving up significant assets to do so.

It's easy to move contracts if you're willing to retain, Hayes at 3x5 if he's 100% this season will have takers lined up around the block next summer, look at the contracts given out in FA this year. Same with Risto at 4x4 in a year if Torts can just get him to play with a modicum of discipline (nothing drastic, just reduce the really bad mistakes) - because physical RHDs go for a premium.

IF they decide to rebuild, they don't have to worry about preserving cap room for FA acquisitions (they've extended everyone but Saneim and he already makes $4.75M) so they can retain $2-3M on JVR, which would make him very marketable in a few days when all the decent FAs have been signed.

We see these guys moved all the time, but it's hard to move an overpriced contract at full value, teams want to be paid for that extra couple million over three years.

 

[Striiker]

Poor terminology on my part, I meant a cry react thingy. You know what I mean

Ohhh my bad. I see what you meant now.

Yeah, you're right but adding that would likely result in the site going down for a few months so I don't think it's happening.

 

[deadhead]

They could definitely be better than we think right now. I wouldn't put money on it, but it absolutely could happen.

Coots, Hayes, Farabee coming back healthy, Hart, Frost, Tippett, TK, Atkinson, Sanheim, DeAngelo - there's talent there. Maybe something clicks.

If they actually are better, and sustain it over the long haul, that means there's something to hope for. Gotta start somewhere, right?

If you're better because a bunch of young players emerge and exceed expectations - good.
If you're better because you've add $20M in long-term contracts to 28-30 year old FAs - bad.

 

[DancingPanther]

Ohhh my bad. I see what you meant now.

Yeah, you're right but adding that would likely result in the site going down for a few months so I don't think it's happening.

Well they completely f***ed the ignore list and the site is still standing, so that's something

 

[Ghosts Beer]

They could definitely be better than we think right now. I wouldn't put money on it, but it absolutely could happen.

Coots, Hayes, Farabee coming back healthy, Hart, Frost, Tippett, TK, Atkinson, Sanheim, DeAngelo - there's talent there. Maybe something clicks.

If they actually are better, and sustain it over the long haul, that means there's something to hope for. Gotta start somewhere, right?

They’re going to build a foundation & progress.

Way more here than people think. Won’t be a 0-60mph leap, but will be very noticeable improvement & promise.

 

[TCTC]

They could definitely be better than we think right now. I wouldn't put money on it, but it absolutely could happen.

Coots, Hayes, Farabee coming back healthy, Hart, Frost, Tippett, TK, Atkinson, Sanheim, DeAngelo - there's talent there. Maybe something clicks.

If they actually are better, and sustain it over the long haul, that means there's something to hope for. Gotta start somewhere, right?

I saw a discussion Jordan Hall had with Jim Jackson today and JJ seemed disillusioned. Remember when Fletcher said a while ago that we're missing high-end talent? We're still missing it.

 

[Rebels57]

Nice little subtle shot at management

f*** Cam Atkinson. What a clueless prick. Read the f***ing room.

 

[Curufinwe]

It’s not his fault management prioritized RR and TD over JG.

 

[Psuhockey]

They’re going to build a foundation & progress.

Way more here than people think. Won’t be a 0-60mph leap, but will be very noticeable improvement & promise.

They will try to grind games down to 2-1 overtime outcomes and because of the loser point miss out on the franchise changing prospects at the top of the draft. That’s going to be a great foundation for more mediocrity in the future.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Nice little subtle shot at management

inB4 Atkinson traded for conditional 4th!!!

 

[Ghosts Beer]

They will try to grind games down to 2-1 overtime outcomes and because of the lower point miss out on the franchise changing prospects at the top of the draft. That’s going to be a great foundation for more mediocrity in the future.

They’re going to learn accountability. Establish an identity. Gain confidence. Not be a laughingstock.

Go into next summer with JVR’s $7m cap room. Have some pretty good prospects entering the team/in 2nd year.

It’s progress. Good progress. I hate this all-or-nothing, gotta be horrible for 6 years & pray for picks, & if it’s not a dynasty burn & repeat BS.

 

[bennysflyers16]

They’re going to learn accountability. Establish an identity. Gain confidence. Not be a laughingstock.

Go into next summer with JVR’s $7m cap room. Have some pretty good prospects entering the team/in 2nd year.

It’s progress. Good progress. I hate this all-or-nothing, gotta be horrible for 6 years & pray for picks, & if it’s not a dynasty burn & repeat BS.

They will be a bottom 10 team with a bottom 3 offence. They will be the definition of a laughing stock.

 

[Psuhockey]

They’re going to learn accountability. Establish an identity. Gain confidence. Not be a laughingstock.

Go into next summer with JVR’s $7m cap room. Have some pretty good prospects entering the team/in 2nd year.

It’s progress. Good progress. I hate this all-or-nothing, gotta be horrible for 6 years & pray for picks, & if it’s not a dynasty burn & repeat BS.

You need at least 3 hall of fame or near hall of fame talents in their prime to win a cup. The worst three-some to do it may have been St Louis during their miracle run: ROR, Pietrangelo, and Tarasenko. The Flyers don’t have even a player near that level of talent with Couturier at 30 and coming off of back surgery likely exiting his prime soon if not now. Without players of that level there is no progress or foundation to be had. It’s just spinning the wheels.

 

[deadhead]

ROR spent his first 5-6 years mired in inconsistent mediocrity.
A lot of "franchise" players emerge in their mid-20s, only a few are superstars from the get-go.
That's why you need to be patient with young players.