2022/23 Roster Thread III: Run It Back!

[Ghosts Beer]

Brass tacks -- if Konecny can re-find his 60 point form, Provorov can get his head on straight under Torts, and players like Frost and Tippett step up and play like they were once regarded, the Flyers will be fine. Not great, but they'll compete most nights.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Charlie compared Chuck Fletcher to Jim Kenney (Philadelphia Mayor) on the recent BSH podcast in that he’s united the entire fanbase together in their hatred for him.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Tortorella teams are habitually in the bottom 3rd of the league in offensive production. Fletcher rosters rarely even have players hitting 70 points. Provorov, Risto, Braun, and Seeler all suppress offensive production and at least one will be on the ice pretty much at all times.

The Flyers as an organization do not value offense, do not encourage it, do not develop it at any level.

Banking on numerous players to have offensive renaissances, especially with offensive skill taking a body blow without Giroux, is not realistic. Anyone who does will be overcoming a lot to do it.

 

[BigToe]

Tortorella teams are habitually in the bottom 3rd of the league in offensive production. Fletcher rosters rarely even have players hitting 70 points. Provorov, Risto, Braun, and Seeler all suppress offensive production and at least one will be on the ice pretty much at all times.

The Flyers as an organization do not value offense, do not encourage it, do not develop it at any level.

Banking on numerous players to have offensive renaissances, especially with offensive skill taking a body blow without Giroux, is not realistic. Anyone who does will be overcoming a lot to do it.

Defense wins shimonships, Biff.

 

[ponder719]

Charlie compared Chuck Fletcher to Jim Kenney (Philadelphia Mayor) on the recent BSH podcast in that he’s united the entire fanbase together in their hatred for him.

And neither appears to want to do their current job, so this is quite an apt comparison.

 

[flyerslducks]

ya i cant imagine a defense of provorov-deangelo doing great against teams top lines at all. Provorov needs an ellis type player to hold that pair down so provorov can join the rush and do other things he's good at. He is not the player than can carry a pair while also shutting down opposing top lines. We have seen this the last two years with braun. When he has niskanen/ellis, he can definitely elevate his game by joining the rush and playing a more fluid style. Deangelo should be on the 3rd pair...meaning we, yet again, have not found a top pairing d and will have to go with braun at many stages this year. I would be fine with TDA pairing with sanheim but then risto is going to have ot be with provorov and that is even worse (or is it?). The defense is terrible rn....the only thing they added is a pp specialist. It will be better than last year, but the difference will be very marginal and more of a result of better team defense

 

[Beef Invictus]

ya i cant imagine a defense of provorov-deangelo doing great against teams top lines at all. Provorov needs an ellis type player to hold that pair down so provorov can join the rush and do other things he's good at. He is not the player than can carry a pair while also shutting down opposing top lines. We have seen this the last two years with braun. When he has niskanen/ellis, he can definitely elevate his game by joining the rush and playing a more fluid style. Deangelo should be on the 3rd pair...meaning we, yet again, have not found a top pairing d and will have to go with braun at many stages this year. I would be fine with TDA pairing with sanheim but then risto is going to have ot be with provorov and that is even worse (or is it?). The defense is terrible rn....the only thing they added is a pp specialist. It will be better than last year, but the difference will be very marginal and more of a result of better team defense

Two dmen who are highly dependent on their partner getting matched up, neither carrying the other. The omens are bad.

 

[flyerslducks]

 

[Ghosts Beer]

ya i cant imagine a defense of provorov-deangelo doing great against teams top lines at all. Provorov needs an ellis type player to hold that pair down so provorov can join the rush and do other things he's good at. He is not the player than can carry a pair while also shutting down opposing top lines. We have seen this the last two years with braun. When he has niskanen/ellis, he can definitely elevate his game by joining the rush and playing a more fluid style. Deangelo should be on the 3rd pair...meaning we, yet again, have not found a top pairing d and will have to go with braun at many stages this year. I would be fine with TDA pairing with sanheim but then risto is going to have ot be with provorov and that is even worse (or is it?). The defense is terrible rn....the only thing they added is a pp specialist. It will be better than last year, but the difference will be very marginal and more of a result of better team defense

Didn't Provorov play well with Ghost for a bit while Ghost was in his prime?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Charlie hammering the Flyers for devaluing their players that fall out with him to the point it creates a league wide perception that nobody wants them. He essentially said Gostisbehere/JvR are/were useful players even if they were/are overpaid. But once the Flyers were done with them it wasn’t exactly a secret from an outside perspective. They have & continue to bring in worse players on higher prices.

He said for fact not opinion that the Flyers front office is scared of the toughness in the Metro. They’re scared of the young players getting hurt in these games. That’s what birthed the Ristolainen, MacEwen, Deslauires, Seeler, etc. acquisitions.

 

[flyerslducks]

Didn't Provorov play well with Ghost for a bit while Ghost was in his prime?

i mean we will see. Last season, TDA's numbers were awful defensively and without slavin. That year, ghost had great numbers with provorov/without him (I think, didn't check). Provorov isn't as good as slavin to hide his deficiencies and that is what it will come down to. Sanheim did a great job with risto and we still sucked ass which is why I said the upgrades will be marginal.

It does help that we have a solid 3rd pair finally though. York-braun should be the best 3rd pair we have had in YEARS. It can definitely be better if we had someone better than braun tho. Want to see new blood here but fletcher can\t be that creative

 

[Beef Invictus]

Charlie hammering the Flyers for devaluing their players that fall out with him to the point it creates a league wide perception that nobody wants them. He essentially said Gostisbehere/JvR are/were useful players even if they were/are overpaid. But once the Flyers were done with them it wasn’t exactly a secret from an outside perspective. They have & continue to bring in worse players on higher prices.

He said for fact not opinion that the Flyers front office is scared of the toughness in the Metro. They’re scared of the young players getting hurt in these games. That’s what birthed the Ristolainen, MacEwen, Deslauires, Seeler, etc. acquisitions.

All stuff we've pointed out for years. Denial has become impossible.

 

[flyerslducks]

amazing find on twitter lol

 

[Beef Invictus]

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amazing find on twitter lol

Staal had 42 in his first year there. Then plummeted. The next highest is Praise at 33.

Fletcher rosters don't produce offense and he doesn't value it at all. Scoring is the point of the game and he doesn't value it

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Charlie hammering the Flyers for devaluing their players that fall out with him to the point it creates a league wide perception that nobody wants them. He essentially said Gostisbehere/JvR are/were useful players even if they were/are overpaid. But once the Flyers were done with them it wasn’t exactly a secret from an outside perspective. They have & continue to bring in worse players on higher prices.

He said for fact not opinion that the Flyers front office is scared of the toughness in the Metro. They’re scared of the young players getting hurt in these games. That’s what birthed the Ristolainen, MacEwen, Deslauires, Seeler, etc. acquisitions.

Weird since they still get hurt and that mostly has occurred in the AHL.

While on that subject though, if those players were on the Phantoms I wouldn’t be upset. Sadly they are valued by this organization as NHL players.

 

[DancingPanther]

"They gave your bag to RISTO....woops "

Absolutely beautiful. Reaming Fletch to such a huge audience is a huge W

He said for fact not opinion that the Flyers front office is scared of the toughness in the Metro. They’re scared of the young players getting hurt in these games. That’s what birthed the Ristolainen, MacEwen, Deslauires, Seeler, etc. acquisitions.

That's so pathetic

 

[Beef Invictus]

"They gave your bag to RISTO....woops "

Absolutely beautiful. Reaming Fletch to such a huge audience is a huge W


That's so pathetic

Love it. The fastest way to get that scumbag Clarke to betray and sell out Fletcher behind his back is for Fletcher to be an object of ridicule. Since he is Fletcher's patron, it makes him look bad by extension and he can't tolerate that. I hope they destroy each other.

 

[freakydallas13]

Have you ever considered not lying about Frost?

Narrator: He did not consider this.

 

[flyerslducks]

"They gave your bag to RISTO....woops "

Absolutely beautiful. Reaming Fletch to such a huge audience is a huge W


That's so pathetic

ya im glad they said that and gaudreau even laughed after loll. Should've said they gave some of the money to TDA too but the risto one is better. I hope we go 0-10 to start...pressure/heat is definitely on management right now.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Love it. The fastest way to get that scumbag Clarke to betray and sell out Fletcher behind his back is for Fletcher to be an object of ridicule. Since he is Fletcher's patron, it makes him look bad by extension and he can't tolerate that. I hope they destroy each other.

Not that he said in the frame of Fletcher or Clarke but the organization as whole but Charlie did mention it’s got to be embarrassing for them to get mocked on the biggest hockey platforms in ESPN & Chicklets for picking Ristolainen/DeAngelo over Gaudreau. Charlie mentioned these guys doing it generally favor a guy like Ristolainen so it’s not like a online/analytic thing.

 

[Curufinwe]

Charlie hammering the Flyers for devaluing their players that fall out with him to the point it creates a league wide perception that nobody wants them. He essentially said Gostisbehere/JvR are/were useful players even if they were/are overpaid. But once the Flyers were done with them it wasn’t exactly a secret from an outside perspective. They have & continue to bring in worse players on higher prices.

He said for fact not opinion that the Flyers front office is scared of the toughness in the Metro. They’re scared of the young players getting hurt in these games. That’s what birthed the Ristolainen, MacEwen, Deslauires, Seeler, etc. acquisitions.

I don't mind having some toughness on the team, but it's not going to prevent injuries. Not to young players and not to old players. The only exception is if you end up with someone like Laughton forced to fight another team's goon and he gets hurt in that fight. But that's not where the vast majority injuries happen.

York got hurt by a Ovechkin slapshot. Having Deslauriers on the team won't help with that.

 

[flyerslducks]

I don't mind having some toughness on the team, but it's not going to prevent injuries. Not to young players and not to old players. The only exception is if you end up with someone like Laughton forced to fight another team's goon and he gets hurt in that fight. But that's not where the vast majority injuries happen.

York got hurt by a Ovechkin slapshot. Having Deslauriers on the team won't help with that.

how dare you! deslauriers would've sacrificed himself, specifically, to prevent york being injured

 

[Larry44]

how dare you! deslauriers would've sacrificed himself, specifically, to prevent york being injured

What are you talking about? Just the mere terrifying presence of Nic "Le Killer" Deslauriers on the bench will send the opposition into such terror they will be afraid to shoot or even touch the puck. And they won't check our players, in case Nic beats their bloody knuckles to a pulp with his face. #FlyersHockey

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Especially when you are going to have a particularly young team, as the Flyers will, I think there's value in having a Deslauriers. Opponents are less likely to try to take liberties with and intimidate the kids if they know they've got to deal with Deslauriers. And the kids can play with more confidence.

They do play in a division that has some particularly intimidating customers (Reeves, Wilson, Martin, etc.)

 

[deadhead]

Tortorella teams are habitually in the bottom 3rd of the league in offensive production. Fletcher rosters rarely even have players hitting 70 points. Provorov, Risto, Braun, and Seeler all suppress offensive production and at least one will be on the ice pretty much at all times.

The Flyers as an organization do not value offense, do not encourage it, do not develop it at any level.

Banking on numerous players to have offensive renaissances, especially with offensive skill taking a body blow without Giroux, is not realistic. Anyone who does will be overcoming a lot to do it.

Trading for TDA is certainly valuing offense over defense!