2022/23 Roster Thread III: Run It Back!

[landsbergfan]

Since they qualified MacEwen, they can't walk away unless his award is over $4,538,958

Arbitration Filings - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

• Player elected Arbitration Settlements of 1 year and greater than $4,538,958, Club can walk away from the awarded salary, making the player a UFA [CBA 12.10(a)]

If Fletcher is also the arbiter I'd say there's still a decent chance

 

[BernieParent]

Chuck’s trying to get Minnesota’s equipment manager in here.

"So, Kevin, who is the best stick-organizing guy you have ever worked with?"

 

[landsbergfan]

Attending Laughton's wedding via Ghost's wife's insta stories. Makes ya realize the Hakstol years were the glory days

 

[GKJ]

And if Zac wins his case Chuck will cave in and accept it. He can’t help himself

The award has to be so much in order to be able to not accept it, and the number won’t be anywhere close to that.

 

[freakydallas13]

Another player that has spoken out that by their words was not involved in the situation.

What players from that team besides Hart haven't come out and denied allegation so far?

 

[flyersnorth]

What players from that team besides Hart haven't come out and denied allegation so far?

Can you imagine if it comes out that Hart was involved?

Fedotov kidnapped for forging papers and sent to the Artic circle, and Hart involved in sexual assault?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

What players from that team besides Hart haven't come out and denied allegation so far?

I know off the top of my head Makar and Mete did but they weren't CHL players so they didn't have that cloud hanging over their head. There were a few others but they're not popping into my head at the moment.

Looking into it, I guess that Hart's representatives spoke on behalf of six of the players that they represent through an attorney denying that any of them had anything to do with it.

You would still think that the Flyers themselves would want to put out some type of statement though. Then again the Flyers haven't been proactive in their entire history so...

Edit:

 

[Curufinwe]

What would this statement say?

 

[wuf]

I haven't been keeping up here as of late but I'm glad to hear that everyone is just as pissed off as I am.

I think I speak for all of us when I say that my biggest fear is that Tortorella gets this team to Round 1 of the playoffs, we exit early, and then we do the most typical Flyers management thing and trade more picks for an unsigned player, then proceed to overpay them and lock us into mediocrity even further.

Who am I kidding, we'll do that even when we don't make the playoffs!

Free Coots.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Fletcher family has a revolting history of mishandling sexual abuse, so let's not expect a lot under Fletcher's regime.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

What would this statement say?

The same thing that all of the other statements say, that he wasn't involved.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I very much agree with trying to give a lot of these kids a chance to play. It’s going to come with a little bit of a caveat though - because playing with a McEwen or Deslauries is going to make things a little hard to judge but there should be spots in this lineup.

I don’t think anything you suggest is wrong so to speak - but I just feel as an organization they continue to ignore the elephant in the room. They can try to win in between the lines a little more - but the basis of every contender is a talented young core that can not only match up - but exceed the performance of its counterparts.

Until I see a dedication from the Flyers to acquire that core, it’s hard to believe. I’m going to give Torts, and Thompson a chance - but there’s not a lot to work with here.

Well, these kids were highly touted. They’re getting their chance.
They just have to step up & take it.

Honestly, it’s what much of this board wanted.

The chances are there for all of them. And hopefully some of them actually rise to the occasion.

There are no more excuses.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Well, these kids were highly touted. They’re getting their chance.
They just have to step up & take it.

Honestly, it’s what much of this board wanted.

The chances are there for all of them. And hopefully some of them actually rise to the occasion.

There are no more excuses.

So you think if say allison and Tanner both outplay ND they will earn a spot on the roster? Flyers hockey is back with ND on one side Zac Mac on the other. The new bruise brothers. Hopefully marketing pounces and gets those t-shirts ready.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

So you think if say allison and Tanner both outplay ND they will earn a spot on the roster? Flyers hockey is back with ND on one side Zac Mac on the other. The new bruise brothers. Hopefully marketing pounces and gets those t-shirts ready.

I don't think MacEwen has a regular roster spot.

It's something like:

Farabee - Couturier- TK
JVR - Hayes - Atkinson
Cates - Frost - Tippett
Deslauriers - Laughton - Allison
Laczynski

Laczynski/Allison/Frost/Cates/Tippett all fighting for roster spots to start the season.

With Farabee out:

JVR-Couturier-TK
Laughton-Hayes-Atkinson
Cates-Frost-Tippett
Deslauriers-Laczynski-Allison

 

[deadhead]

So you think if say allison and Tanner both outplay ND they will earn a spot on the roster? Flyers hockey is back with ND on one side Zac Mac on the other. The new bruise brothers. Hopefully marketing pounces and gets those t-shirts ready.

Go look at Torts' history.

He may not make the same decisions the board would make, he values "playing the right way," but that has nothing to do with fighting or "toughness," no one will ever call St. Louis or Atkinson tough guys.

But he will expect Frost to back check and be in the proper defensive position, his philosophy is you can coach defense but offense is primarily instinctive, defense is about effort, smarts and discipline. He won't expect Frost to hit people (some others yes, Hayes will be pushed to use his big body), but he will expect him to be in position to use his feet and stick to break up plays.

Torts will love Allison, Laczynski maybe, Allison has the speed to play a pressure game, not sure about Laczynski, he's smart enough but he may not be fast enough.

I noticed the first thing Deslauriers said after he was signed was he was going to work on his skating this summer, guess he did a little research on Torts.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Well, these kids were highly touted. They’re getting their chance.
They just have to step up & take it.

Honestly, it’s what much of this board wanted.

The chances are there for all of them. And hopefully some of them actually rise to the occasion.

There are no more excuses.

The problem is that it isn't up to them. We've repeatedly seen players step up and outplay guys currently on the roster, for nothing. Overcoming Fletcher's incompetent biases is nearly impossible.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

MacEwen, if they sign him, is a spare.

Players like Desnoyers and Foerster will start in the AHL, I assume, but put on a lot of pressure if the young guys on the NHL roster don't perform.

I can't stress enough how gigantic of a season this is for Frost. He MUST step up. They need him. Now.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Frost and Tippett are two players with pedigrees whose time is now. They either put up or are out of the organization. If they step up, it completely changes the dynamic of this team.

 

[Beef Invictus]

MacEwen, if they sign him, is a spare.

Players like Desnoyers and Foerster will start in the AHL, I assume, but put on a lot of pressure if the young guys on the NHL roster don't perform.

I can't stress enough how gigantic of a season this is for Frost. He MUST step up. They need him. Now.

MacEwen will play 70-82 games. He's no spare to them.

Frost has repeatedly proven that his performance is irrelevant. He heavily outplayed Thompson for every second of the year from camp until the season ended, and yet if Thompson had ever gotten healthy Frost would have been demoted immediately.

He was ordered to fix his defense. So he spent his time in a bottom six role doing exactly what they asked, and their response was to whine about his offense and demote him. So then he worked on his offense and they responded by saying they had to coach that out of him.

That's not a process where the player has any control over the idiotic whims of the people running the team into the ground until they hit magma.

 

[deadhead]

Frost was always seen as a top 9 player, he just never seized the opportunity.
It's amazing all the excuses made for him, but Kyrou and Thomas started on the bottom in St Louis and that didn't deter them.

2017-18: Sundqvist played 42 games, 9:03 at ES
2018-19 Thomas played 70 games, 11:39 at ES
2019-20: Kyrou played 28 games, 10:33 at ES

All played their way up the lineup the following seasons.

Frost just has to produce, with Torts there will be no excuses, he's started Wennberg at 21, Bjorkstrand at 21, Rychel at 21 (who failed to deliver), Dubois at 19, Milano at 21, Texier at 20.

Frost and Tippett are 23, at this point in their careers, put up or shut up (and pack your bags).

 

[Beef Invictus]

Frost was always seen as a top 9 player, he just never seized the opportunity.
It's amazing all the excuses made for him, but Kyrou and Thomas started on the bottom in St Louis and that didn't deter them.

2017-18: Sundqvist played 42 games, 9:03 at ES
2018-19 Thomas played 70 games, 11:39 at ES
2019-20: Kyrou played 28 games, 10:33 at ES

All played their way up the lineup the following seasons.

Frost just has to produce, with Torts there will be no excuses, he's started Wennberg at 21, Bjorkstrand at 21, Rychel at 21 (who failed to deliver), Dubois at 19, Milano at 21, Texier at 20.

Frost and Tippett are 23, at this point in their careers, put up or shut up (and pack your bags).

Those players are in organizations where merit matters. Frost is not. Frost has seized his opportunities and his reward is demotion in favor of worse players.

If they intend to keep Laughton at center it is quite likely Frost will be in the AHL no matter how much better he is than Brown due to the obsession with fictional roles

 

[Curufinwe]

The same thing that all of the other statements say, that he wasn't involved.

That's Hart statement to make, if he can.

 

[Flyerfan18]

The problem is that it isn't up to them. We've repeatedly seen players step up and outplay guys currently on the roster, for nothing. Overcoming Fletcher's incompetent biases is nearly impossible.

No we haven’t. That’s the problem. We had to play a bunch last spring and Cates was the only stand out. York showed he was ready when he came back the second time as well. Rest didn’t show much except they aren’t NHL players yet. Frost had all kinds of chances and did diddly squat.

 

[MayonnaiseOreo]

MacEwen will play 70-82 games. He's no spare to them.

Frost has repeatedly proven that his performance is irrelevant. He heavily outplayed Thompson for every second of the year from camp until the season ended, and yet if Thompson had ever gotten healthy Frost would have been demoted immediately.

He was ordered to fix his defense. So he spent his time in a bottom six role doing exactly what they asked, and their response was to whine about his offense and demote him. So then he worked on his offense and they responded by saying they had to coach that out of him.

That's not a process where the player has any control over the idiotic whims of the people running the team into the ground until they hit magma.

Edit: Somehow wrong thread.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

The award has to be so much in order to be able to not accept it, and the number won’t be anywhere close to that.

I thought he wanted a second year or one way pay if he’s sent down to the minors.( no chance).
I actually wasn’t sure of dollar amount when you can walk away from it.