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2022/23 Roster Thread III: Run It Back!

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smokey said:
They also have too many vets on the nhl roster who Chuck would fear losing on waivers, so very unlikely they'll even give Torts the possibility of having guys like foerster or allison in the lineup on a regular basis.

Funny how they went out of their way the last few years making sure the youth would be given as little nhl time as possible and suddenly its now a "make or break" season for those same players.
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Essentially a "break" season because they've had no time or chance to develop at the NHL level, and their time learning the highest game will be held against them.
 
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Flyerfan18 said:
You gotta take that with a grain of salt. It was the team’s individual writers who ranked the grade. Charlie clearly wanted Gaudreau or a big move and is salty about it. Just saying. The non moves deserve a better grade.
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I don’t think that’s fair. Charlie’s expectations were set by Dave Scott’s “blank check” and Chuck Fletcher’s “aggressive rebuild,” I believe he’s just asked questions on the minds of most fans and observers.
 
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They just be offering MacEwen a 2 way contract if he’s filed for arbitration. 9 points in 75 games is not going to get him a high AAV from an arbitrator.
 
To be perfectly blunt though, Harry Bricker may have actually kinda stunk at his job. I don’t blame him for getting complacent and lazy, if in fact that’s the case. It pervades the entire front office from top to bottom. No doubt Cuck has actually brought in a consulting crew, on the request of Scott, to do an internal cleansing of the lower tier jobs with some objective basis. Obviously falling well short of their own positions.
 
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deadhead said:
Let's just see what Torts does, he's going to make the decisions on who plays and how much.

He's shown in both TB and CBJ that he can coach up a team full of young players, that he'll play young players ahead of veterans, and he'll bench veterans for not playing the "right way."

Thing is you have to accept that he'll get on Frost as much as he gets on Hayes, he doesn't believe in entitlement by veterans or prospects, he'll play the 6th rd pick ahead of the 1st rd pick.

He pissed Dubinsky off by playing 22 year old Weenberg and then 19 year old Dubois ahead of him.
He played 20 year old Bjorkstrand (#89) over 34 year old Bourque.

Which is why this is going to be a very interesting season, I think the Old Guard don't really understand what they have in Torts.
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Good to see they did their due diligence.
 
What really depresses me the most is that even if everyone stays/gets healthy, even Ellis, at best this is a 90-94 point team that still misses the playoffs but only gets us a pick in the 14-16 range.

In 50 years of following this franchise, I have never been so pessimistic about the state and future of this team.
 
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BiggE said:
What really depresses me the most is that even if everyone stays/gets healthy, even Ellis, at best this is a 90-94 point team that still misses the playoffs but only gets us a pick in the 14-16 range.

In 50 years of following this franchise, I have never been so pessimistic about the state and future of this team.
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Well that's probably somewhat related to the past 10 years of being a meddling team. This team hasn't been competitive since 2012.
 
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Gotta love it. F gave mcewen a good comparable for his arb neg with the des contract. No way a guy 5 years younger with pretty much the same stat line gets less money. Ofc the flyers could just walk away but thats probably not a very realistic scenario.
 
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Gotta love it. F gave mcewen a good comparable for his arb neg. No way a guy 5 years younger with pretty much the same stat line gets less money. Ofc the flyers could just walk away but thats probably not a very realistic scenario.
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UFA deals can't be used as comparables in arbitration

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alright even if we didnt get johnny g, still got rid of the trash, got alex debrincat and dylan strome with some younger wingers, i would be fine with that. it's just running it back is a punch in the face to the fanbase.
 
Here's a comparable - Jansen Harkins played 77 games for the Jets and scored 13 points. Two days ago he got a one-way, two-year extension with an AAV of $850,000.

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