2022/23 Roster Thread II: Worth Every Penny

[DancingPanther]

Hanging on by a thread, mostly because the very idea of rooting for a non-Philadelphia sports team is or at least previously was anathema to me. I don't even know where I'd start. This f***ing team was the last real shred of interest I had left in professional sports and now even that's gone.

The secret is not to root for the team, but for specific players therein

I looked into this earlier because I had the same thought. The Flyers, Bruins, and Sharks are grouped at the top.

Well technically Vegas is #1, but that's counting Weber so I tossed it out.

Did you include Ellis? His degeneratice hip issue has ended his career*

*Speculation``
``But also probably right, because I'm a f***ing beast and I was saying this since before the "pelvic injury" announcement

 

[JojoTheWhale]

“How many 2nd round picks were on the Avs?” has now replaced McKenzie calling someone an ass clown on my HF Mt Rushmore. That’s a whirlwind couple of months for them. They went from not that good to being informed they tanked for a decade to winning a Cup but not having any depth and now this shame has been laid upon them.

ZERO 14th overall picks won a Cup in the past month. Why do people think they overpaid for Risto again?

Did you include Ellis?

Yes, because they say he’s in their plans.

 

[DancingPanther]

“How many 2nd round picks were on the Avs?” has now replaced McKenzie calling someone an ass clown on my HF Mt Rushmore. That’s a whirlwind couple of months for them. They went from not that good to being informed they tanked for a decade to winning a Cup but not having any depth and now this shame has been laid upon them.

ZERO 14th overall picks won a Cup in the past month. Why do people think they overpaid for Risto again?



Yes, because they say he’s in their plans.

That is a fair assessment, Jojo

 

[Diaper Mask Bandits]

I did all of Hextall's....not a chance I do Fletch.

I think we trade Sanheim because Trav won't sign long term.
Trade JVR + 1st from Fla for a 3rd to AZ
Buyout Lindblom
Sign Johnny, some depth C and D

im assuming the 2023 first is going to Calgary for the signing rights to Gaudreau and maybe JVR will be involved somehow too

 

[kudymen]

“Is Gerry Mayhew still around, Charles? I like him.”

You mean "Gerry Maywho" ?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Improvement! They’re projected to be the sixth worst team next year (pre-UFA)!

Go Chuck Go!

 

[deadhead]

“How many 2nd round picks were on the Avs?” has now replaced McKenzie calling someone an ass clown on my HF Mt Rushmore. That’s a whirlwind couple of months for them. They went from not that good to being informed they tanked for a decade to winning a Cup but not having any depth and now this shame has been laid upon them.

ZERO 14th overall picks won a Cup in the past month. Why do people think they overpaid for Risto again?



Yes, because they say he’s in their plans.

You know exactly what I mean.

2014-18 Flyers accumulated 8 1sts, 6 2nd, out of that Provorov, Sanheim, TK, Farabee, Hart. Maybe Allison some day.
Problem was late 1st and 2nds aren't going to build a championship, at best they'll add quality depth. Unless you're really lucky.

Either "go way or go all the way in" - if you're not going to rebuild, "let's go crazy."

I dont know why people on here forget that we already did this no 2nd rd picks as a team back in the Holmgren era. He picked 3 times in the 2nd rd out of 7 drafts and those picks were Kevin Marshall(woof), Anthony Stolarz(meh never got a chance), and Robert Hagg(double woof).

Now the players picked with the picks that were originally the Flyers, not many amounted to much. Jason Zucker was one of those picks, but he wasnt the best choice of his round. That being said, lots of good players picked in those 2nd rounds the Flyers didnt pick in. Heres a list: Derek Stepan and Roman Josi in 08, Ryan O'Reilly, Jakob Silverberg, and Tomas Tatar in 09, Justin Faulk and Tyler Toffoli in 10, Nikita Kucherov and Brandon Saad in 11.

Just imagine if the Flyers managed to pick one of those players in the 4 years they didnt pick in the 2nd round.

Problem is what are the odds you pick the 3 or 4 players in the 2nd round who end up as quality players?
It's not like the other 31 teams are all idiots (OK, a few, but they tend to get fired after a while).

 

[Adam Warlock]

I just cant get over how disasterous acquiring Risto has been.

The price to get him was astronomical. If you think about it..its not far off from what Ottawa gave up for DeBrincat.

If you factor in the need for the Ghost trade to create space...its even worse....even if you deny Ghost is the better player.

Then you pass on reaquiring assets for him at the deadline to sign him to high cap hit, hurting your chances to improve in the offseason.

Then you have to give up 3 more picks becauae you realize youre missing the type of player you paid to get ridof to create space for Risto.

All of this for a player who at the end of the day, makes your team worse.

If anyone ever asks "why cant we be like Tampa"...look know further than this one player.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

So as of now we have this.

van Riemsdky - Couturier - Konecny
Lindblom - Hayes - Atkinson
xxx - Laughton - xxx
xxx - xxx - xxx

Farabee on IR
Options - Frost, Tippett, Brown, Cates, Allison, etc.

Provorov - DeAngelo
Sanheim - Ristolainen
York - xxx
Seeler

Ellis on IR
Options - Attard, Zamula, & a UFA

Hart
xxx

Options - Sandstrom & a UFA

They’re gonna have to default all those xxx spots to guys on ELC’s or making money comparative to that.

***That’s not actual lines or spots in the lineup it’s just a depth chart more or so based on contracts just to illustrate the type of contracts they’ll have.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

You know exactly what I mean.

2014-18 Flyers accumulated 8 1sts, 6 2nd, out of that Provorov, Sanheim, TK, Farabee, Hart. Maybe Allison some day.
Problem was late 1st and 2nds aren't going to build a championship, at best they'll add quality depth. Unless you're really lucky.

Either "go way or go all the way in" - if you're not going to rebuild, "let's go crazy."

And you can significantly up your chances for being really lucky by:

1. Having more picks.
2. Taking big swings.

Sloughing off marginal players to get more picks are free shots at meaningful ones. After the years of telling me depth guy X vs Y doesn’t matter, you should be the first one agreeing that someone like Laughton had to be traded. Re-sign him if you want, even. Anything but this weird narrow autopilot orientation they’ve been doubling down on for 4 years. Everything is the path of least resistance.

 

[deadhead]

And you can significantly up your chances for being really lucky by:

1. Having more picks.
2. Taking big swings.

Sloughing off marginal players to get more picks are free shots at meaningful ones. After the years of telling me depth guy X vs Y doesn’t matter, you should be the first one agreeing that someone like Laughton had to be traded. Re-sign him if you want, even. Anything but this weird narrow autopilot orientation they’ve been doubling down on for 4 years. Everything is the path of least resistance.

I don't agree with their approach, I just don't think it makes a big difference in the long-run.

They still have an extra 1st in 2024, and if things crash and burn, a new GM can start a rebuild quickly, accumulating all those 2nd and 3rd rd picks that have limited value that we've lost in a couple deals.

Rangers traded 4 1st rd picks during the AV years, then turned on a dime and accumulated 4 1st rd picks, used one for Trouba.
They cleared a lot of cap room and signed Panarin, but also got lucky with Fox forcing a trade and Shesterin emerging as an elite goaltender.

I'd be more worried if Fletcher goes crazy and starts moving 1st rd picks, at least Risto could probably get you one back in a couple years as long as he doesn't crash and burn (and under Torts, he'll probably improve as chasing hits will no longer be tolerated).

The bigger problem is above Fletcher, it's obvious that Scott & company have no stomach for a rebuild and will do anything to avoid facing that reality.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Jvr couts tk
Lindblom Hayes attkinson
Tippett frost brink
Cates laughton Allison

Provy TDA
Sanhiem risto
York attard

Ellis on ltir

Hart
Sandstorm

Just run with this team, it's not great but whatever, don't give up assets to trade jvr. Just run with this, until farabee gets back, I'd rather run with this team, do bad, trade jvr at the deadline to actually bring back an asset, I don't get why the flyers are so hell bent on trading him now, just keep him until the deadline, Johnny hockey isn't enough to help this team, lindblom is still useful, he will have value as his contract runs down

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Although I do think a person to trade that can bring back an asset and clear some space would be attkinson, but I think chuckles is too stupid to do so, attkinson still has value, he could be a good piece to move

 

[Angry Hockey Dad]

Double posted oops

 

[GKJ]

Although I do think a person to trade that can bring back an asset and clear some space would be attkinson, but I think chuckles is too stupid to do so, attkinson still has value, he could be a good piece to move

Atkinson is in the Hayes inner circle, and is the only guy who has played for Torts before. He's not going anywhere.

 

[TB87]

And you can significantly up your chances for being really lucky by:

1. Having more picks.

The Flyers have had 17 picks. In the last THREE drafts total. The Hurricanes have had 28! And they’re not even rebuilding! Fletcher is in the running for worst GM in Flyers history at this point. It’s possible he couldn’t do any worse than he has already, even if he tried to be worse on purpose.

 

[Adam Warlock]

Jvr couts tk
Lindblom Hayes attkinson
Tippett frost brink
Cates laughton Allison

Provy TDA
Sanhiem risto
York attard

Ellis on ltir

Hart
Sandstorm

Just run with this team, it's not great but whatever, don't give up assets to trade jvr. Just run with this, until farabee gets back, I'd rather run with this team, do bad, trade jvr at the deadline to actually bring back an asset, I don't get why the flyers are so hell bent on trading him now, just keep him until the deadline, Johnny hockey isn't enough to help this team, lindblom is still useful, he will have value as his contract runs down

I kind of agree. For this team to go anywhere...they need:

TK/Provy/Lindblom to get back to 2020 form.

And at least one if not more of the Cates, Frost, Tippett, Allison, York, Brink tier to some what breakout this year. At least enough to where they arent a question mark going into next season.

Keeping the roster as is allows for more oppurtunity for those to happen.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The bigger problem is above Fletcher, it's obvious that Scott & company have no stomach for a rebuild and will do anything to avoid facing that reality.

I think if you phrased it as such more often, you’d get a lot less pushback. I agree with this wholeheartedly. The problem is everything.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Hanging on by a thread, mostly because the very idea of rooting for a non-Philadelphia sports team is or at least previously was anathema to me. I don't even know where I'd start. This f***ing team was the last real shred of interest I had left in professional sports and now even that's gone.

i need Hak to get fired..

then i can finaly release my grip from the edge, and fall into the abyss.

and start following the Kraken

 

[Rebels57]

So as of now we have this.

van Riemsdky - Couturier - Konecny
Lindblom - Hayes - Atkinson
xxx - Laughton - xxx
xxx - xxx - xxx

Farabee on IR
Options - Frost, Tippett, Brown, Cates, Allison, etc.

Provorov - DeAngelo
Sanheim - Ristolainen
York - xxx
Seeler

Ellis on IR
Options - Attard, Zamula, & a UFA

Hart
xxx

Options - Sandstrom & a UFA

They’re gonna have to default all those xxx spots to guys on ELC’s or making money comparative to that.

***That’s not actual lines or spots in the lineup it’s just a depth chart more or so based on contracts just to illustrate the type of contracts they’ll have.

That's the 7thor 8th best lineup....in the Metro

 

[freakydallas13]

I just don't think it makes a big difference in the long-run.

 

[Rebels57]

The Flyers have had 17 picks. In the last THREE drafts total. The Hurricanes have had 28! And they’re not even rebuilding! Fletcher is in the running for worst GM in Flyers history at this point. It’s possible he couldn’t do any worse than he has already, even if he tried to be worse on purpose.

IN THE RUNNING?

He's run away with it faster than Usain Bolt

He's in the running for ALL-TIME in NHL HISTORY at this point. Milbury is getting nervous.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Atkinson is in the Hayes inner circle, and is the only guy who has played for Torts before. He's not going anywhere.

I know that lol but he has value is what I'm saying

 

[TB87]

IN THE RUNNING?

He's run away with it faster than Usain Bolt

He's in the running for ALL-TIME in NHL HISTORY at this point. Milbury is getting nervous.

I was feeling generous with my phrasing this morning (it’s morning here, lots of ya’ll are already in the future).

 

[DancingPanther]

And you can significantly up your chances for being really lucky by:

1. Having more picks.

WHAT?!? Jojo, you take your comprehension of basic probability and take a hike. Clarke and Fletcher have no time for your logic, reason, and mathematics