2022-23 Roster Discussion

[gojetsgo]

our bottom six on a contending team
kuhlman -ahler
saku -ahler
gus - not nhl ready
barron - 4th liner
lowry - 4th liner
appleton 4th liner
ajf - ahl/pressbox option at best
gagner - pressbox option at best
stenlund - ahl/pressbox at best

still don't understand how people can look at that bottom six and think that it's not a major issue and expect our top six to be able to carry that.. especially when ehlers looks like he's still injured and wheeler is on his last legs. can our top6 play better? yes, but I maintain that had we had any depth scoring I very much doubt that it would have gotten this bad..

 

[DannyGallivan]

our bottom six on a contending team
kuhlman -ahler
saku -ahler
gus - not nhl ready
barron - 4th liner
lowry - 4th liner
appleton 4th liner
ajf - ahl/pressbox option at best
gagner - pressbox option at best
stenlund - ahl/pressbox at best

still don't understand how people can look at that bottom six and think that it's not a major issue and expect our top six to be able to carry that.. especially when ehlers looks like he's still injured and wheeler is on his last legs. can our top6 play better? yes, but I maintain that had we had any depth scoring I very much doubt that it would have gotten this bad..

I still hold out hope for Lowry since he’s been a very good third liner for years despite recent times. I can’t argue with the rest of the analysis though.

 

[JetsFan815]

our bottom six on a contending team
kuhlman -ahler
saku -ahler
gus - not nhl ready
barron - 4th liner
lowry - 4th liner
appleton 4th liner
ajf - ahl/pressbox option at best
gagner - pressbox option at best
stenlund - ahl/pressbox at best

still don't understand how people can look at that bottom six and think that it's not a major issue and expect our top six to be able to carry that.. especially when ehlers looks like he's still injured and wheeler is on his last legs. can our top6 play better? yes, but I maintain that had we had any depth scoring I very much doubt that it would have gotten this bad..

That maybe but when the team has been as bad as the Jets has been of late then it doesn't make sense to double down and sacrifice the future.

I think the time to make those moves was in the summer. Many here wanted the Jets to make big changes but Chevy decided not to, when he decided that he wanted one more run with this group, he should have added in the summer to improve the bottom-6. Nino should have been a summer signing, along with another guy like Strome, or atleast one of these guys along with another serviceable bottom-6 option. One of the big money D should have been moved to gain cap flexibility for forward help. Pretty much everyone here at the bare minimum wanted movement on D to create room for Samberg/Heinola.

I agree that the decisions with the bottom-6 were mistakes but they were summer mistakes not deadline mistakes. The Jets decision to run it back with just a new coach was doing the same thing and expecting different results. In the preseason poll on HFJets I believe I had the team as just missing the playoffs... looks like they are gonna be thereabouts... maybe just on the right side of the playoff line however.

 

[gojetsgo]

That maybe but when the team has been as bad as the Jets has been of late then it doesn't make sense to double down and sacrifice the future.

I think the time to make those moves was in the summer. Many here wanted the Jets to make big changes but Chevy decided not to, when he decided that he wanted one more run with this group, he should have added in the summer to improve the bottom-6. Nino should have been a summer signing, along with another guy like Strome, or atleast one of these guys along with another serviceable bottom-6 option. One of the big money D should have been moved to gain cap flexibility for forward help. Pretty much everyone here at the bare minimum wanted movement on D to create room for Samberg/Heinola.

These were mistakes but they were summer mistakes not deadline mistakes. The Jets decision to run it back with just a new coach was doing the same thing and expecting different results. In the preseason poll on HFJets I believe had the team as just missing the playoffs... looks like they are gonna be thereabouts... maybe just on the right side of the playoff line however.

it should have been taken care of well before it got to this point, it really shouldn't be that hard to find upgrades on most of those players

 

[WolfHouse]

our bottom six on a contending team
kuhlman -ahler
saku -ahler
gus - not nhl ready
barron - 4th liner
lowry - 4th liner
appleton 4th liner
ajf - ahl/pressbox option at best
gagner - pressbox option at best
stenlund - ahl/pressbox at best

still don't understand how people can look at that bottom six and think that it's not a major issue and expect our top six to be able to carry that.. especially when ehlers looks like he's still injured and wheeler is on his last legs. can our top6 play better? yes, but I maintain that had we had any depth scoring I very much doubt that it would have gotten this bad..

Its our 3C that is the problem... everything else is kind of even with other teams... Barron and Apples are 3rd liners, not sure why Gagner is PB he's better than Kuhl and Saku

Jeannot-Paul-Perry -31 goals
Eyssimont-Colton-Maroon - 17 goals

Barron-Lowry-Apples/Kuhlman - 16 goals
AJF-Stenlund-Gagner - 18 goals

Chevy needed a 3rd line C but we are locked in with Lowry...

 

[raideralex99]

our bottom six on a contending team
kuhlman -ahler
saku -ahler
gus - not nhl ready
barron - 4th liner
lowry - 4th liner
appleton 4th liner
ajf - ahl/pressbox option at best
gagner - pressbox option at best
stenlund - ahl/pressbox at best

still don't understand how people can look at that bottom six and think that it's not a major issue and expect our top six to be able to carry that.. especially when ehlers looks like he's still injured and wheeler is on his last legs. can our top6 play better? yes, but I maintain that had we had any depth scoring I very much doubt that it would have gotten this bad..

They were good enough during the season to get the Jets in position for some TDL acquisitions but Chevy did not do it plus the injuries and this is what you get.
Maybe when PLD gets back Wheeler can be a regular on the bottom 6 and off the PP.

 

[bennylundholm]

Anyone watch the Bruins game today? Wow. Night and day to the Jets.
The Bruins play hard, with a purpose each shift.
Pass like a team and have a PP that moves and moves the puck with a purpose.
Low hockey IQ too many of our players

 

[Peachkings1922]

I just don't see anyone on that third line that's going to generate anything.

Ehlers is lacking speed and is not making good choices, Lowry is an offensive black hole and Wheeler looks like he had a lobotomy and they stuck pelusos bean in his head hole.

If we can see who is playing well together with the exception of Cole near end of regular season maybe RB makes some changes and shift the 9 best around to maximize the lines. Hopefully we get things turned around and some guys pull their head out of their ass. 20 some odd games left adding some offense is key if they want to make the playoffs interesting. Helly can only do so much. JMO, other combinations should be tried. NN will fit in nice in the lineup and Perfetti if is ready gives some needed offensive punch.

 

[bennylundholm]

Now watching Avs and Stars.
We’d get pumped by either team.

 

[voyageur]

Now watching Avs and Stars.
We’d get pumped by either team.

That's maybe the funny part though because the Jets hold the season series with both teams.

 

[gojetsgo]

Its our 3C that is the problem... everything else is kind of even with other teams... Barron and Apples are 3rd liners, not sure why Gagner is PB he's better than Kuhl and Saku

Jeannot-Paul-Perry -31 goals
Eyssimont-Colton-Maroon - 17 goals

Barron-Lowry-Apples/Kuhlman - 16 goals
AJF-Stenlund-Gagner - 18 goals

Chevy needed a 3rd line C but we are locked in with Lowry...

idk I disagree with barron/appleton being 3rd liners on contending teams barron has 13 points in 50 games and appleton has 9 in 22 which isn't bad but keep in mind he got put on the top line with connor and scheifele when ehlers went down and went back to them when he came back from his injury when perfetti went down as well

 

[bennylundholm]

That's maybe the funny part though because the Jets hold the season series with both teams.

Ya, I agree.
Back when we were playing with a little mojo.

 

[GaryPoppins]

our bottom six on a contending team
kuhlman -ahler
saku -ahler
gus - not nhl ready
barron - 4th liner
lowry - 4th liner
appleton 4th liner
ajf - ahl/pressbox option at best
gagner - pressbox option at best
stenlund - ahl/pressbox at best

still don't understand how people can look at that bottom six and think that it's not a major issue and expect our top six to be able to carry that.. especially when ehlers looks like he's still injured and wheeler is on his last legs. can our top6 play better? yes, but I maintain that had we had any depth scoring I very much doubt that it would have gotten this bad..

I thought Gus has been great since returning.

 

[Adam da bomb]

our bottom six on a contending team
kuhlman -ahler
saku -ahler
gus - not nhl ready
barron - 4th liner
lowry - 4th liner
appleton 4th liner
ajf - ahl/pressbox option at best
gagner - pressbox option at best
stenlund - ahl/pressbox at best

still don't understand how people can look at that bottom six and think that it's not a major issue and expect our top six to be able to carry that.. especially when ehlers looks like he's still injured and wheeler is on his last legs. can our top6 play better? yes, but I maintain that had we had any depth scoring I very much doubt that it would have gotten this bad..

A win is a win but there are some teams that aren’t contenders because they have everything working against them like being on every team’s no trade list. Having the Jets you just gotta be happy with professional hockey and except they are not contenders. Minnesota has never been a contender, Nashville had one good season, Edmonton hasn’t been contender in the modern nhl. It is what it is. Hopefully Helly and Norrissey can be hot enough to steal us a few series.

 

[BoneDocUK]

I thought Gus has been great since returning.

He has been. Looks quicker and more decisive, much closer to the rising centre who was dominant in the A and ready to make his mark in the show.

If he can keep this up and continue to develop we have our Lowry in waiting.

Although he may have to wait until Lowry hangs up his skates to break into that 3rd-line lockbox.

 

[tbcwpg]

That maybe but when the team has been as bad as the Jets has been of late then it doesn't make sense to double down and sacrifice the future.

I think the time to make those moves was in the summer. Many here wanted the Jets to make big changes but Chevy decided not to, when he decided that he wanted one more run with this group, he should have added in the summer to improve the bottom-6. Nino should have been a summer signing, along with another guy like Strome, or atleast one of these guys along with another serviceable bottom-6 option. One of the big money D should have been moved to gain cap flexibility for forward help. Pretty much everyone here at the bare minimum wanted movement on D to create room for Samberg/Heinola.

I agree that the decisions with the bottom-6 were mistakes but they were summer mistakes not deadline mistakes. The Jets decision to run it back with just a new coach was doing the same thing and expecting different results. In the preseason poll on HFJets I believe I had the team as just missing the playoffs... looks like they are gonna be thereabouts... maybe just on the right side of the playoff line however.

I think Chevy attempted to sign a couple of those guys but was rebuffed. We know Jarnkrok did (it was reported) and I believe one other player we were strongly linked with.

I think there's a mix of reasons why things didn't get done in the summer. Was the market there for one of the overpriced D? Maybe, but with the cap the way it is right now, they would've had to pay to get the contract off the books, or taken bad money back to make it work. Could other moves have been made? Maybe you offer more money to a Jarnkrok type to make it silly to turn it down to take less in TO, but how much money is too much at that point?

I think he could've made a hockey trade or two, perhaps, but the cap scared a lot of GMs.

An undesirable Free Agent market means that cap flexibility isn't that big an advantage it might be in a New York or Carolina or Vegas. You put that flexibility to use at the deadline, like trading for a player with a year left of term after this year that might've turned you down in the summer.

I'm not trying to absolve Chevy of some things here but I do think if we're grading him we can't do it against the backdrop of a typical NHL market.

 

[Jet]

idk I disagree with barron/appleton being 3rd liners on contending teams barron has 13 points in 50 games and appleton has 9 in 22 which isn't bad but keep in mind he got put on the top line with connor and scheifele when ehlers went down and went back to them when he came back from his injury when perfetti went down as well

Barron is ready to break out. Bookmark it. He's starting to realize he can bring the biscuit to the basket and with his size and hands that's dangerous.

 

[gojetsgo]

Barron is ready to break out. Bookmark it. He's starting to realize he can bring the biscuit to the basket and with his size and hands that's dangerous.

if he continues to play like he has the past few games I agree

 

[BoneDocUK]

Barron is ready to break out. Bookmark it. He's starting to realize he can bring the biscuit to the basket and with his size and hands that's dangerous.

Agree.

For me he's been the best player in the last two games, maybe 3 of the last 4. Disrupting, picking great lanes, and bringing the power forward moves like a friendlier Cam Neely.

His top-end speed is pretty crazy, but his acceleration and the power of his stride must be about the best on the team. Good hands and a heavy shot and must be nuts to be a tender with him bearing down on you.

I've really liked his play of late and the guy is a prototypical playoffs difference-maker, especially over a series. He'll wear you down.

 

[kanadalainen]

Agree.

For me he's been the best player in the last two games, maybe 3 of the last 4. Disrupting, picking great lanes, and bringing the power forward moves like a friendlier Cam Neely.

His top-end speed is pretty crazy, but his acceleration and the power of his stride must be about the best on the team. Good hands and a heavy shot and must be nuts to be a tender with him bearing down on you.

I've really liked his play of late and the guy is a prototypical playoffs difference-maker, especially over a series. He'll wear you down.

agree, and the dude plays with some snarl.

Barron is ready to break out. Bookmark it. He's starting to realize he can bring the biscuit to the basket and with his size and hands that's dangerous.

Yeah, I've noticed this.

Looking forward to watching this guy - he may make some nice contributions.

 

[Guffman]

I think some of you would be happier if Lowry scored more while giving up more. Focus should be on his net impact 5 v 5 while factoring offensive/defensive starts and quality of opposition.

Are you guys about “fancy stats” or not? Surprised you need a dinosaur like me to scoff at focusing on his offensive production in a vacuum.

Do better analysis.

 

[KingBogo]

I really like Nino playing with Scheifele and Connor, and hope that line stays together for awhile. When PLD gets back have him with Ehlers and Wheeler. With the addition of Names and Barron's recent strong play our bottom 6 is looking much better.

 

[tbcwpg]

I think some of you would be happier if Lowry scored more while giving up more. Focus should be on his net impact 5 v 5 while factoring offensive/defensive starts and quality of opposition.

Are you guys about “fancy stats” or not? Surprised you need a dinosaur like me to scoff at focusing on his offensive production in a vacuum.

Do better analysis.

If he doesn't score at all, and he gets scored on once 5v5, his net impact is negative. I think people want Lowry to have a more rounded game, and not sacrifice defence for offence.

 

[JetsFan815]

I think Chevy attempted to sign a couple of those guys but was rebuffed. We know Jarnkrok did (it was reported) and I believe one other player we were strongly linked with.

I think there's a mix of reasons why things didn't get done in the summer. Was the market there for one of the overpriced D? Maybe, but with the cap the way it is right now, they would've had to pay to get the contract off the books, or taken bad money back to make it work. Could other moves have been made? Maybe you offer more money to a Jarnkrok type to make it silly to turn it down to take less in TO, but how much money is too much at that point?

I think he could've made a hockey trade or two, perhaps, but the cap scared a lot of GMs.

An undesirable Free Agent market means that cap flexibility isn't that big an advantage it might be in a New York or Carolina or Vegas. You put that flexibility to use at the deadline, like trading for a player with a year left of term after this year that might've turned you down in the summer.

I'm not trying to absolve Chevy of some things here but I do think if we're grading him we can't do it against the backdrop of a typical NHL market.

There were a few options in the summer. Did the Jets cast a wide enough net when it comes to adding forward scoring? They were in on Jarnkrok but were they also in Strome or Nino? I am not so sure because unlike Jarnkrok who got a lot of term and good money, the other 2 signed modest deals. Nino took until 3 weeks after FA started to sign which gives some indication that he was not a hot commodity.

I am not convinced the Jets even had any interest in these players who are scoring forwards whereas Jarnkrok is more of Copp profile player a PK defensive forward with some scoring.

And even leaving that aside there was Milano available a guy who is a scorer who went to Caps as a tryout not having a contract till preseason and then was even available on waivers for free.

My point is if you make these additions before the season starts 1) the team is hopefully better in Feb at the deadline 2) you use the same assets to acquire guys to fill out your 10th-11th forwards instead of 7-8th forwards as we had to thus being a deeper team.

Chevy said in his presser that summer is for building the team and TD is to fill out holes. I am not convinced the Jet thought forward scoring was a pressing issue on this team preseason. You only have to look at their activity- tried for Jarnkrok, signed Saku, signed Stenlund, got AJF and Kuhlman on waivers. What do all these players have in common? They are all penalty killers who have a reputation of being defensive forwards. I consistently see the pattern of them targeting a player in this profile this season. Not a scorer like Milano or Bemstrom who were also available on waivers.

 

[Jet]

if he continues to play like he has the past few games I agree

Agree.

For me he's been the best player in the last two games, maybe 3 of the last 4. Disrupting, picking great lanes, and bringing the power forward moves like a friendlier Cam Neely.

His top-end speed is pretty crazy, but his acceleration and the power of his stride must be about the best on the team. Good hands and a heavy shot and must be nuts to be a tender with him bearing down on you.

I've really liked his play of late and the guy is a prototypical playoffs difference-maker, especially over a series. He'll wear you down.

I think his injury set him back a bit on his trajectory but I think he's back on track.

He might be a very important player for us come playoffs because he plays the style you need to score.