Won't the 'tweeners sign AHL contracts? Those presumably don't count towards the organization's number?
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I assume they want a chance at a call-up and I’m guessing the AHL team wouldn’t want to pay the big salaries. (I don’t know much about how the AHL works though.)
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Not really. Last year Chase De Leo, Brian Flynn and AJ Greer were all on NHL deals but spent the season in Utica. Jack Dugan and Brian Pinho have NHL contracts this year but neither seem likely to spend time in NJ.
DeLeo and Greer both got callups. Not sure what point this is trying to make. I think Pinho and Dugan are unlikely to get called up but if there were 4 or 5 injuries at forward plus maybe a couple in Utica, one of them could get a call.
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Greer also left for a better opportunity to play in the NHL.
The off-season was tweener musical chairs everywhere in the AHL and the better guys either moved to get a better chance to play in the NHL, to get more money, and/or to more attractive organizations.
AHL contracts are worse, I don’t believe they have the same guarantees either. Every player is going to want a NHL deal.
Moynihan has been somewhat underwhelming, plenty of semi-notable college guys end up not getting ELCs. His pluses are his motor, strong two play and defense. He doesn’t produce a lot, he doesn’t shoot a lot and his transition game isn’t very promising right now.
The off-season was tweener musical chairs everywhere in the AHL and the better guys either moved to get a better chance to play in the NHL, to get more money, and/or to more attractive organizations.
AHL contracts are worse, I don’t believe they have the same guarantees either. Every player is going to want a NHL deal.
Moynihan has been somewhat underwhelming, plenty of semi-notable college guys end up not getting ELCs. His pluses are his motor, strong two play and defense. He doesn’t produce a lot, he doesn’t shoot a lot and his transition game isn’t very promising right now.
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On a down note, Providence used him to serve a five-minute major penalty. Could be because he's not on the PK but you usually don't see top players doing that.
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Shak could not sign in the KHL and stay in the good graces of the IIHF, he has a contract with the NHL already.
I’m thinking this should read more that Shak will not be asking to be lent back to the KHL next year.
I’m thinking this should read more that Shak will not be asking to be lent back to the KHL next year.
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The tweet is definitely clunkily worded but I'd say the main takeaway is Shak's acceptance that he will likely be in Utica next season.
I'm not sure it matters about the IIHF since Russia will not be participating in international tournaments for the forseeable future. But yeah, without a European Assignment Clause, I think the Devils made it clear they want him in North America next year.
His comment on how everything in Utica was "so fast" was evident in his short stay here last season. He was often standing still watching the game take place around him. He didn't know where to go. Board battles surprised him as to how physical the opponents were and how quickly they were all over him.
He tried to poke check attacking puck carriers with little success.
He was apt to get rid of the puck as quickly as possible to make it somebody else's problem.
He has lots to learn about the NA game. He was much less aware of how to play his position than Nemec was upon his arrival and Simon had to turn up his learning curve immediately. He has been coming along very well, but still has a lot of flaws.
- He has been trying to be much more offensive since returning from the WJC and has frequently been caught up ice with forwards skating backwards trying to fill in his position vs the rush. This has been occurring when he gets into or even leads the rush and ends up deep in the zone.
- Pinch or not to pinch? That is the question. Another way he ends up behind the rush going the other way. Forwards have actually been knocking him down and he's really AWOL in his own end.
- Leaving himself vulnerable to forchecker's hits is an even bigger problem in the NHL.
- Forcing passes into traffic rather than just clearing the zone is also a problem he hasn't solved. There is a time to dump the blackboard breakout schemes when they're not there. In Utica that is often and it's become a more recent problem in NJ as well.
- On the endboards when the opponent is exercising a dump in plan of attack and he skates to pick up the puck in that situation, the forechecker often arrives with the puck and he has been hit hard and been left on the ice and has to scramble to right himself and figure out what happened and then where to go immediately. He also often passes the puck blindly at that moment into high percentage scoring areas as a means of avoiding that forechecker.
There's a lot more and I love the guy. He has talent and IQ up the wazoo. He is GOING to be a good, if not great one. However, that doesn't mean it has to be tomorrow. He is still 18 until Feb. 15. He will only be 19 until Feb. next season. Still not even eligible to play in the AHL until '24-25 if he were a Canadian Jr.
I don't care what fan bases think when analyzing young prospects. Brodeur himself has said the Devils have enough talent at the moment so it's not necessary to just stick these kids into the NHL when they can play in the AHL in all situations thus, getting lots of ice to solidify their game before exposing them to regular duty in the NHL which most often means much shorter TOI and less, if any, play on the PK and/or PP. For most kids that's the best path to take no matter their draft spot or the hype over the speculation at how great they are going to be. So many of these diamonds may look it, but they are really not ready to jump on the big stage that quickly and struggle to actually perform at the level that was expected of them.
IMO, that is the exact thing that is happening to Holtz. He didn't need to be there and the amount of ice time he is seeing vs the press box time proves he could have benefited from more AHL time. This "he has nothing to prove down there" is BS. Proving he can score was never an issue. It's the rest of the game that is keeping him out of the lineup. He will never be what you want playing on the 4th line or even the 3rd. If he isn't put in a situation to excel at what he is most good at, SHOOTING THE PUCK and SCORING GOALS. That's never going to happen playing with the talent level he has been aligned with. You give him that opportunity or you keep in the AHL where he can continue to grow. Look at what it's done to Sharangovich. Would he not be scoring a lot more with Hughes or Bratt and Nico than Haula who belongs in the middle on the third line? He can shoot the puck! Hughes, Nico, and Bratt will give him the puck. Then you put Palat with Nico or Hughes depending upon where Shara is. Ruff is being mentioned as a candidate for coach of the year. Am I crazy as well as a host of other posters who have also been able to see that so easily?
Considering all of that right now, the AHL is the best spot for Holtz. Considering he has no waiver problems and has just turned 21, it's the best spot for him to play big minutes every night come game time. It's not rocket science.
The only other option is to trade him and hope he doesn't become what NJ drafted him to be with somebody else. Then he comes back to bite them in the ass on the biggest stage, the NHL playoffs. It wouldn't be the first time.
He tried to poke check attacking puck carriers with little success.
He was apt to get rid of the puck as quickly as possible to make it somebody else's problem.
He has lots to learn about the NA game. He was much less aware of how to play his position than Nemec was upon his arrival and Simon had to turn up his learning curve immediately. He has been coming along very well, but still has a lot of flaws.
- He has been trying to be much more offensive since returning from the WJC and has frequently been caught up ice with forwards skating backwards trying to fill in his position vs the rush. This has been occurring when he gets into or even leads the rush and ends up deep in the zone.
- Pinch or not to pinch? That is the question. Another way he ends up behind the rush going the other way. Forwards have actually been knocking him down and he's really AWOL in his own end.
- Leaving himself vulnerable to forchecker's hits is an even bigger problem in the NHL.
- Forcing passes into traffic rather than just clearing the zone is also a problem he hasn't solved. There is a time to dump the blackboard breakout schemes when they're not there. In Utica that is often and it's become a more recent problem in NJ as well.
- On the endboards when the opponent is exercising a dump in plan of attack and he skates to pick up the puck in that situation, the forechecker often arrives with the puck and he has been hit hard and been left on the ice and has to scramble to right himself and figure out what happened and then where to go immediately. He also often passes the puck blindly at that moment into high percentage scoring areas as a means of avoiding that forechecker.
There's a lot more and I love the guy. He has talent and IQ up the wazoo. He is GOING to be a good, if not great one. However, that doesn't mean it has to be tomorrow. He is still 18 until Feb. 15. He will only be 19 until Feb. next season. Still not even eligible to play in the AHL until '24-25 if he were a Canadian Jr.
I don't care what fan bases think when analyzing young prospects. Brodeur himself has said the Devils have enough talent at the moment so it's not necessary to just stick these kids into the NHL when they can play in the AHL in all situations thus, getting lots of ice to solidify their game before exposing them to regular duty in the NHL which most often means much shorter TOI and less, if any, play on the PK and/or PP. For most kids that's the best path to take no matter their draft spot or the hype over the speculation at how great they are going to be. So many of these diamonds may look it, but they are really not ready to jump on the big stage that quickly and struggle to actually perform at the level that was expected of them.
IMO, that is the exact thing that is happening to Holtz. He didn't need to be there and the amount of ice time he is seeing vs the press box time proves he could have benefited from more AHL time. This "he has nothing to prove down there" is BS. Proving he can score was never an issue. It's the rest of the game that is keeping him out of the lineup. He will never be what you want playing on the 4th line or even the 3rd. If he isn't put in a situation to excel at what he is most good at, SHOOTING THE PUCK and SCORING GOALS. That's never going to happen playing with the talent level he has been aligned with. You give him that opportunity or you keep in the AHL where he can continue to grow. Look at what it's done to Sharangovich. Would he not be scoring a lot more with Hughes or Bratt and Nico than Haula who belongs in the middle on the third line? He can shoot the puck! Hughes, Nico, and Bratt will give him the puck. Then you put Palat with Nico or Hughes depending upon where Shara is. Ruff is being mentioned as a candidate for coach of the year. Am I crazy as well as a host of other posters who have also been able to see that so easily?
Considering all of that right now, the AHL is the best spot for Holtz. Considering he has no waiver problems and has just turned 21, it's the best spot for him to play big minutes every night come game time. It's not rocket science.
The only other option is to trade him and hope he doesn't become what NJ drafted him to be with somebody else. Then he comes back to bite them in the ass on the biggest stage, the NHL playoffs. It wouldn't be the first time.
I think most NJ fans are in agreement with you. I’m guessing Holtz prefers the NHL check while he is on the roster but all the sitting around isn’t helping him.
If he doesn't get a chance to play in the NHL those checks won't last endlessly.
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Case McCarthy scored his third goal of the year as BU finished a weekend sweep of BC. He's now a career-best +12 and the Terriers are one of the Top 5 teams in the country.
He's been overshadowed by Lane Hutson's offensive numbers as well as some of the high profile recent picks but can't help wondering if a 22-year-old, two-way defenseman might fit somewhere.
He's been overshadowed by Lane Hutson's offensive numbers as well as some of the high profile recent picks but can't help wondering if a 22-year-old, two-way defenseman might fit somewhere.
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You think he signs with another team? I just don’t see where he fits into NJs plans, and that’s no knock on him. I always will have a soft spot for the stay at home type.
We don't have a lot of stay-at-home RHD (if any), so he *MIGHT* see an opportunity with us.
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There currently is a goalie named Blake Pietela playing for Michigan Tech. Our old prospect, also named Blake Pietela also played for Michigan Tech. What are the odds lol
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I wonder if the T is silent for the goalie lol.
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Yep, he’s a goalie and it’s been weird seeing his name for years.
Could be worse. His last name could be Letonein..
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We need to de a better job posting prospect updates in here for every player.
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If the Devils are going to sign Bratt to a huge deal - as all indicators seem to suggest - it is almost imperative that they let Graves and/or Severson sign elsewhere and McCarthy would be a much less expensive option.
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