2022-23 NCAA CHL, OHL and European prospects thread

[Clam Jensen]

A Hughes whose "defense is a real cause for concern"?

Stop.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Stop.

Don't shoot the messenger. I didn't write the scouting report.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

A Hughes whose "defense is a real cause for concern"?

I do think people need to temper how good they think this kid will be from the jump. He’s not going to be a #1 immediately after th college season ends and I personally think taking him from college and sticking him in playoff games is putting him in a position to fail.

But he’s still a top five prospect in hockey. No concerns with his trajectory.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Luke Hughes needs development time in the AHL. The only time I would start him in the playoffs is as a 7th defensmen.

 

[Brodeur]

Friday/Saturday's Michigan@Michigan State's games will be on Big 10 Network at 6:30pm EST. Assuming Hughes/Casey will be playing then will head to USA WJC camp at nearby Plymouth on Sunday.

 

[Shakir ONeal]

Michigan is terrible this year huh

 

[Brodeur]

Michigan is terrible this year huh

Just not as stacked as last year's roster which is a high bar to clear.

Turned pro: Owen Power, Matt Beniers, Brendan Brisson, Thomas Bordeleau, Kent Johnson, Nick Blankenburg, John Beecher

Freshmen this year: Adam Fantilli, Frank Nazar (will miss season due to injury), T.J. Hughes, Rutger McGroarty, Seamus Casey, Gavin Brindley

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Just not as stacked as last year's roster which is a high bar to clear.

Turned pro: Owen Power, Matt Beniers, Brendan Brisson, Thomas Bordeleau, Kent Johnson, Nick Blankenburg, John Beecher

Freshmen this year: Adam Fantilli, Frank Nazar (will miss season due to injury), T.J. Hughes, Rutger McGroarty, Seamus Casey, Gavin Brindley

Wouldn't say terrible but as they were last year frustratingly inconsistent; they tend to split weekend series with a strong effort and then a weak one or vice versa.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Leddy scores first goal of his college career.

Wild 9-6 win for BC over Case McCarthy and BU on Jerry York Night.

 

[Guadana]

Leddy scores first goal of his college career.

Wild 9-6 win for BC over Case McCarthy and BU on Jerry York Night.

He is one of my favorite prospect. I don’t know will he translate his game on the new level, but he was very good defensively in usntdp and now he is good on the start of the season in ncaa too.

 

[Guadana]

My personal hope for Devils prospect pool - Nikoayev was signed for 2 more years with SKA. Nothing bad, it was expected, but still want him to sign with devils organisation. Hope he will sign the deal with us in the future. Two years is a good timing to watch in Vanecek, Schmid and Daws.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Looks like Seamus Casey made Team USA U20 team but isn't guarenteed to be on the actual roster. They have expanded the group to 25.

 

[Bad Goalie]

Josh Filmon was lighting the lamp at a ferocious pace in his last outing.
A 6-GOAL night Friday against the Mississauga Steelheads.
20/14/34 in 25GP.
He's only 18 with a March b-day so he'll be a Jr next season with his eligibility for the AHL not coming until the 2024-25 season.
He's got a lot more time to percolate. Maybe he's a late round diamond or he could melt away in the time remaining. Certainly bears keeping an eye on.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Looks like Seamus Casey made Team USA U20 team but isn't guarenteed to be on the actual roster. They have expanded the group to 25.

Anyone else watch the Finland-USA pre-tournament game last night?

Both Casey and Hutson looked exciting but seem almost tiny by NHL standards.

Obviously, the coaching staff played a lot more of the fringe players to kind of make final decisions but the time Luke Hughes played was a bit uneven (clappers off the glass, "creative" positioning, and a 1 v 1 in his own zone that was disconcerting).

Was hoping to see more of Topias Vilen for Finland but coaches also seemed to be focusing on others.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Anyone else watch the Finland-USA pre-tournament game last night?

Both Casey and Hutson looked exciting but seem almost tiny by NHL standards.

Obviously, the coaching staff played a lot more of the fringe players to kind of make final decisions but the time Luke Hughes played was a bit uneven (clappers off the glass, "creative" positioning, and a 1 v 1 in his own zone that was disconcerting).

Was hoping to see more of Topias Vilen for Finland but coaches also seemed to be focusing on others.

Luke Hughes is the ultimate high potential project. He almost plays a bail style defense which works in minors or college but I have yet to see a defensmen successful in the NHL using it. It will take atleast a year to engrain fundamental gap control.

I'm less concerned in his own end, good coaching in the AHL will solve many of those deficiencies.

Where I see far less potential at the NHL level is on the PP. While he will be an asset on entries I despise the river boat gambler mentality that he and Jack possess. It's ok to try risky plays 5 on 5 but on the PP the percentage option keeps the play going.

 

[Guttersniped]

Anyone else watch the Finland-USA pre-tournament game last night?

Both Casey and Hutson looked exciting but seem almost tiny by NHL standards.

Obviously, the coaching staff played a lot more of the fringe players to kind of make final decisions but the time Luke Hughes played was a bit uneven (clappers off the glass, "creative" positioning, and a 1 v 1 in his own zone that was disconcerting).

Was hoping to see more of Topias Vilen for Finland but coaches also seemed to be focusing on others.

They are tiny, if they weren’t undersized they would have gone a lot sooner than #44 and #62 in the draft.

Casey was 5’9.5”, 173 at the NHL combine (he was listed as 5’10” at the draft).

Hutson was 5’8.25”, 158 at the NHL combine.

Michigan lists Casey at 5’10”,178 like USA Hockey does here and BU does the same with Hutson at 5’9”, 155. Maybe the IIHF rosters will have different numbers but those aren’t up yet.

Hutson said in early December he was at 5’9”, 161.

Hutson is an exciting, productive player but his weight is a potential problem for me.

Many people keep mentioning just his height but it’s body mass that’s really concerning. Not sure how much more he can put on his thin frame either.

The best positive comparable for Hutson is Sam Girard who was 5’9”, 160 at the 2016 Combine and he went at #47. He’s now listed at 5’10”, 170. It’s probably tough for Hutson to even get to 170 though.

Jared Spurgeon is an odd case because he was listed as 5’9”, 185 at the draft but is listed at 5’9”, 166 now. There aren’t really other notable examples of modern short defensemen that lightweight though.

Even someone like Matt Grzelcyk, who went at #85, was listed at the 2012 draft at 5’9”, 171. He’s now listed at 5’10”, 176.

Casey has about ~20 pounds on him and that makes a big difference.

Hutson is a great player, it will be fun to see how he works out. He made more sense as a pick for team like since Montreal since they had 3 picks before the late 2nd they used on him.

 

[My3Sons]

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They are tiny, if they weren’t undersized they would have gone a lot sooner than #44 and #62 in the draft.

Casey was 5’9.5”, 173 at the NHL combine (he was listed as 5’10” at the draft).

Hutson was 5’8.25”, 158 at the NHL combine.

Michigan lists Casey at 5’10”,178 like USA Hockey does here and BU does the same with Hutson at 5’9”, 155. Maybe the IIHF rosters will have different numbers but those aren’t up yet.

Hutson said in early December he was at 5’9”, 161.

Hutson is an exciting, productive player but his weight is a potential problem for me.

Many people keep mentioning just his height but it’s body mass that’s really concerning. Not sure how much more he can put on his thin frame either.

The best positive comparable for Hutson is Sam Girard who was 5’9”, 160 at the 2016 Combine and he went at #47. He’s now listed at 5’10”, 170. It’s probably tough for Hutson to even get to 170 though.

Jared Spurgeon is an odd case because he was listed as 5’9”, 185 at the draft but is listed at 5’9”, 166 now. There aren’t really other notable examples of modern short defensemen that lightweight though.

Even someone like Matt Grzelcyk, who went at #85, was listed at the 2012 draft at 5’9”, 171. He’s now listed at 5’10”, 176.

Casey has about ~20 pounds on him and that makes a big difference.

Hutson is a great player, it will be fun to see how he works out. He made more sense as a pick for team like since Montreal since they had 3 picks before the late 2nd they used on him.

If you could hit Quinn with one of those darts they use on Wild Kingdom to drop the animals in the Serengeti and measure him, weigh him, and tag him to follow his migration, I bet he'd top out around 5'8" and 160-165.

 

[Guttersniped]

If you could hit Quinn with one of those darts they use on Wild Kingdom to drop the animals in the Serengeti and measure him, weigh him, and tag him to follow his migration, I bet he'd top out around 5'8" and 160-165.

Quinn as in Quinn Hughes? I don’t think he’s quite that light.

He was listed at the 2017 draft at 5’9”, 173. (He didn’t go to the combine.)

Michigan listed him as 5’10”, 175 for both seasons.

He was listed at the 2018 World Championship at 1.76/5’9”, 76/168. That was in May 2018 so I assume he had trouble keeping weight on during the season. (Quinn was 18 years 7 months old at that.)

The NHL now lists him at 5’10” and 180.

It’s probably generous to round up to 5’10” but he’s likely really 5’9” and (small) change and I assume Quinn is somewhere in the 170s at least.

I have no idea how much effort the NHL teams put in being accurate or updating their players’ measurements. It gets updated though.

I am curious what IIHF lists Hutson and Casey at, that does give a new, reliable data point. They could have lost weight during the season.

 

[My3Sons]

Quinn as in Quinn Hughes? I don’t think he’s quite that light.

He was listed at the 2017 draft at 5’9”, 173. (He didn’t go to the combine.)

Michigan listed him as 5’10”, 175 for both seasons.

He was listed at the 2018 World Championship at 1.76/5’9”, 76/168. That was in May 2018 so I assume he had trouble keeping weight on during the season. (Quinn was 18 years 7 months old at that.)

The NHL now lists him at 5’10” and 180.

It’s probably generous to round up to 5’10” but he’s likely really 5’9” and (small) change and I assume Quinn is somewhere in the 170s at least.

I have no idea how much effort the NHL teams put in being accurate or updating their players’ measurements. It gets updated though.

I am curious what IIHF lists Hutson and Casey at, that does give a new, reliable data point. They could have lost weight during the season.

I'm skeptical of his height. Jack is maybe 5'10" and is easily taller than Quinn. At this point maybe Quinn has done enough weight training that he can get close to 170 but not all weight is the same and my guess is he loses weight when he's not actively working out which is probably tough during the season.

 

[Guttersniped]

I'm skeptical of his height. Jack is maybe 5'10" and is easily taller than Quinn. At this point maybe Quinn has done enough weight training that he can get close to 170 but not all weight is the same and my guess is he loses weight when he's not actively working out which is probably tough during the season.

I still don’t know why you won’t believe Quinn is >170 though lol. He’s been measured that a bunch of times.

Jack always seemed a bit taller and a slightly lankier to me.

Now Jack:
~1 month before he was 17 years old at the 2018 U18 in April 2018.
179/5’10” (179 cm is 10.5”) and 72/159

At the 2019 U20 WJC in Dec 2018-Jan 2019 Jack is 178/5’10” (just to be annoying) and 75/165.
(Quinn is also there and comes in at 178/5’10” and 79/174.)

At the next U18 in April 2019 Jack is
179/5’10” and 77/170.

In May 2019 at the World Championships Jack has the same measurements.
(Quinn is also there and is listed as 77/170 as well. Go figure.)

Jack’s listed as 5’10”, 171 at the draft.

Jack’s listed at 5’11”, 175 now.

Quinn has the highest BMI going by official numbers and I can buy that, he looks slightly stouter than his brothers to me. Luke can definitely put on more muscle having only turned 19 in Sept though.

I can’t believe how much I focused on this crap lol.

 

[My3Sons]

I still don’t know why you won’t believe Quinn is >170 though lol. He’s been measured that a bunch of times.

Jack always seemed a bit taller and a slightly lankier to me.

Now Jack:
~1 month before he was 17 years old at the 2018 U18 in April 2018.
179/5’10” (179 cm is 10.5”) and 72/159

At the 2019 U20 WJC in Dec 2018-Jan 2019 Jack is 178/5’10” (just to be annoying) and 75/165.
(Quinn is also there and comes in at 178/5’10” and 79/174.)

At the next U18 in April 2019 Jack is
179/5’10” and 77/170.

In May 2019 at the World Championships Jack has the same measurements.
(Quinn is also there and is listed as 77/170 as well. Go figure.)

Jack’s listed as 5’10”, 171 at the draft.

Jack’s listed at 5’11”, 175 now.

Quinn has the highest BMI going by official numbers and I can buy that, he looks slightly stouter than his brothers to me. Luke can definitely put on more muscle having only turned 19 in Sept though.

I can’t believe how much I focused on this crap lol.

Some of it is natural variation as your height will vary by what time of day you are measured if nothing else. Again, I'm skeptical Quinn is 5'10" I'd expect him closer to 5'8" although you make good points about their weight over time.

 

[Guttersniped]

For all you height/weight fans, Lane Hutson ended up being listed as 5’9”/1.75m and 158lbs/70kg

To recap, Hutson was 5’8.25” and 158 at the combine.

He told reporters he was up to 5’9” and 161 at Boston University.

It looks like he did grow a bit and is basically 5’9”, 175 cm is 5’8.9”. So congrats with that.

He’s back to his combine weight though, and while he can presumably bulk up a little more in the next couple of years, I’m skeptical that he can put a much more weight on his slight frame.

We don’t get fresh IIHF numbers for Seamus Casey since he didn’t make the team. Boooo!

Topias Vilén is 6’2”/1.87m and 196lbs/89kg
(Listed as 6’1” and 194 at the 2021 draft.)

Simon Nemec is 6’1”/1.85m and 192lbs/87kg
(Listed as 6’0” and 199 at the 2022 draft.)

Luke Hughes is 6’2”/1.88m and 190lbs/86kg
(Listed as 6’2” and 184 at the 2021 draft.)

Petr Hauser is 6’3”/1.90m and 201lbs/91kg
(Listed as 6’3” and 200 at 2022 draft.)

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

For all you height/weight fans, Lane Hutson ended up being listed as 5’9”/1.75m and 158lbs/70kg

To recap, Hutson was 5’8.25” and 158 at the combine.

He told reporters he was up to 5’9” and 161 at Boston University.

It looks like he did grow a bit and is basically 5’9”, 175 cm is 5’8.9”. So congrats with that.

He’s back to his combine weight though, and while he can presumably bulk up a little more in the next couple of years, I’m skeptical that he can put a much more weight on his slight frame.

We don’t get fresh IIHF numbers for Seamus Casey since he didn’t make the team. Boooo!

Topias Vilén is 6’2”/1.87m and 196lbs/89kg
(Listed as 6’1” and 194 at the 2021 draft.)

Simon Nemec is 6’1”/1.85m and 192lbs/87kg
(Listed as 6’0” and 199 at the 2022 draft.)

Luke Hughes is 6’2”/1.88m and 190lbs/86kg
(Listed as 6’2” and 184 at the 2021 draft.)

Petr Hauser is 6’3”/1.90m and 201lbs/91kg
(Listed as 6’3” and 200 at 2022 draft.)

For Hutson, as I said in the past, it's being an average skater at 5'9 with a 23.3 BMI. He needs roughly 20 pounds while maintaining his speed to hit that magic 26 BMI number all while hoping he can learn to defend at that speed/size. Ty Smith is looking back at him in the mirror.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

A bit random but didn't realize Blake Speer is now playing in Sweden's second league with just 2 goals and 4 assists in 18 games.

Not an uncommon story but to think he was in the NHL at 19 and would only play two more NHL games in the ensuing six seasons.

 

[HBK27]

A bit random but didn't realize Blake Speer is now playing in Sweden's second league with just 2 goals and 4 assists in 18 games.

Not an uncommon story but to think he was in the NHL at 19 and would only play two more NHL games in the ensuing six seasons.

Hell of a draft we had that year - every player made it to the NHL!