What’s the appeal with AH over Erod at 2C? Seems more like a wash and certainly wouldn’t have ice tilting capability like Stanley cup Kadri. If we want a repeat I think we need to shoot for a high end 2C low end 1C, no? There’s no way we win last year without monster Kadri
Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C
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I don’t think anyone’s really saying Henrique is a must acquire?
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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The Committee for the Acquisition of Connor Bedard does not like these rumours of acquiring mediocre players to keep the boat afloat. We say embrace the sink.
Play styles are different, but results are not drastically different. Henrique is a better player and a better finisher. He falls more on the high end of 3rd line guys while ERod is more of an average 3rd line guy. Henrique would add a lot of faceoff ability to the team which could be nice situationally.
That said, if the Avs are going to spend assets, they need to go bigger.
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But bigger will cost more and won't come with the extra year. Remember what Sakic said about spending assets for Lehkonen last year, how important it was that he wasn't a pending UFA.
Also the fact that they re-signed Manson...They are low on assets and don't want to spend them on rentals.
But MacK-ERod-Henrique is not a Cup winning center rotation. It will get ate alive as series progress. If the goal is to win the Cup, and it should be, they need to shoot higher... even if it costs more.
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Trade for Horvat and sign him to 8X8. The cap is going up. Don't resign JTC, find another 30 point forward for cheaper. With Horvat signed long term, Avs don't have to worry about and keep spending assets for 2C
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What's higher? Toews? Horvat isn't moving.
He isn't getting traded. Pretty much 100% sure now.
Somebody like Horvat should be the goal. And I understand the shaking loose aspect of players may mean that not very many are out there.... which is why this should have been priority all summer.
Wait wait wait he wins faceoffs...?
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There's just one Horvat and the fact that the Canucks don't want to take money back for Boeser tells us everything we need to know about the future of Horvat.
He's a ~55% guy
For Horvat, it is probably what Vancouver can get... they are going to demand a deal like he's extended... meaning very good young player/prospect +1st + low A/high B prospect/2nd as a basis. If they get that, I can see them moving him. LA and Minny are two teams I think will pay up.
But the overall idea here is there has been a number of quality 2C level guys the Avs could have had that they haven't made it a priority. For them to get one now, likely means paying a ton and getting some names to shake loose.
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I don't buy for a second that Ryan O'Reilly is washed up.
Something is horribly rotten in St. Louis, and when (not if) O'Reilly gets dealt, I'm fearful it'll be to a Western Conference rival. I'd much rather see him dealt to the Avalanche, where he'd excel as the 2C.
I know someone will respond to this post talking about O'Reilly and the Avalanche's bitter break up, but that was a lifetime ago (8 and a half years). Both sides have won hockey's ultimate prize since the split, so I doubt the past is anything more than water under the bridge.
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He or Jonny Toews would be real mofos on this team for a playoff run.
He's not completely useless, but he's pretty cooked. I imagine that with his effort and IQ, he could scrape together a good playoffs and be useful in middle 6 center role. I want zero to do with his next contract. In two years that will be utterly horrible, maybe worst contract in the league.
I don't think he's leaving St Louis though...
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Even if he wasn't washed up (which he is) there's a less than 0 chance that Sakic would want him back.
Washed up? No. But I don't think he's a gamebreaking talent anymore either. He's merely good now. That may not be a gigantic issue if Thomas continues to develop and becomes an top-flight center, but I don't presently see that. Then again I did not see Tage Thompson turning into THAT player either.
To me the issue in St. Louis is they let a franchise defenseman go and didn't replace him. They also committed long-term to an incel nutjob netminder who had one of the most fluke rookie seasons of all time (and even then, his numbers weren't as good as you think). They're actually pretty bad defensively and got by last year because of the Hallowed Nine Twenty Goal Scorers they had on the roster.
To me the issue in St. Louis is they let a franchise defenseman go and didn't replace him. They also committed long-term to an incel nutjob netminder who had one of the most fluke rookie seasons of all time (and even then, his numbers weren't as good as you think). They're actually pretty bad defensively and got by last year because of the Hallowed Nine Twenty Goal Scorers they had on the roster.
I like Henrique as a 3rd line option at 50% tbh. But he doesn't really solve the 2C option.
Mayne a Newhook replacement if we deal him for a 2C.
Mayne a Newhook replacement if we deal him for a 2C.
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O'Reilly should be a target. I think he can still play behind a guy like MacKinnon. Getting away from the Blues and specifically trash like Binnington will also improve anyone's morale and give them a boost.
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Why not get Henrique AND an additional rental 2C? Then flip Henrique in the off-season if needed.
That ain't happening. St. Louis isn't trading him and the Avs are not going to try and get him back.
Not against that overall idea, but the Avs may not have the assets to pull that off and have anything at all left. Avs don't have a 2nd or 3rd the next two seasons... So you're looking more at a OO + 4th + 5th sort of deal, or giving away a first. Either way scratch out one major asset to get a rental 2C. So at the lower end of the 2C rental, you have Toews... who will be a 1st + prospect trade. Chicago does love college players, so 1st + Behrens.
That leaves the Avs prospect pool at Foudy and Ambro as the only pieces. Henrique might return a mid round pick at the draft, but I don't see that deal as worth it. This doesn't solve the 2C spot next year... and no real pieces to trade to solve it.
I think if the Avs are to make a move, they need to make one big move for a center. Something like 1st + Newhook + OO + Ambro... or Byram + 1st. That trade better get a good 2C under contract for 2-3 seasons after this one.
Teams know he's just not a good hockey player.
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