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Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C
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dahrougem2
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I mean Jeff Carter returned a 3rd and 4th and was retained 50%, Vince Trocheck returned Haula, Wallmark and a prospect, Andrew Copp returned a prospect and two 2nds, and the Flyers got a 1st, 3rd and prospect for a vastly superior player in Claude Giroux while retaining 50% of his contract.
It's not as set in stone as you think, especially given Toews' struggles last season and his struggles after his hot start this season.
So because one GM makes a stupid trade, that's the standard? Why haven't MVPs been traded for 3/4 defensemen the way Taylor Hall was for Adam Larsson then?
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There's no doubt in my mind that Toews at 50% returns more than just a 1st. Center, intangibles, decent season, big name...
That said, unless EJ is going the other way I don't see how we can afford him. And if EJ is going then we need a RHD to replace him.
That said, unless EJ is going the other way I don't see how we can afford him. And if EJ is going then we need a RHD to replace him.
Carter had term remaining and at his age added risk to the deal. Toews does not have that attached.
Copp was not traded for a prospect and 2nds. It was a 1st + 2nd + 5th + prospect for Copp + 6th. He actually increases the normal mold of the deal.
Trocheck was a bargain deal born from cost cutting (one I wanted the Avs in on at the time), but at the time Haula was thought of highly and there were 3 prospects that were well liked around hockey.
It was mistake not to move EJ but at the same time if it cost our first rounder, now I am very happy we didn't do it.
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Avs should buy low on a center who's having an underwhelming season, that's what they do best.
Just as a list of rentals who have returned 1sts at the deadline since 2019:
Copp + 6th for 1st + 2nd + 5th + Barron (NHL player today)
Giroux + 5th for 1st + Tippett
Lindholm for a haul (thought he was immediately re-signed... more Horvat situation than Toews)
Chiarot for 1st + 4th + Similanic
Foligno for 1st + 2 4ths
Savard for 1st + 3rd + 4th
JGP for 1st + 2nd + 3rd (more Horvat again here)
Hall for 1st + 3rd + 3 prospects (only one good)
Hayes for 1st + Pepe Jr
Duchene for 1st + 2 prospects + conditional 1st that didn't transfer
That's the type of deal I do think the Avs should be looking for though.
Copp + 6th for 1st + 2nd + 5th + Barron (NHL player today)
Giroux + 5th for 1st + Tippett
Lindholm for a haul (thought he was immediately re-signed... more Horvat situation than Toews)
Chiarot for 1st + 4th + Similanic
Foligno for 1st + 2 4ths
Savard for 1st + 3rd + 4th
JGP for 1st + 2nd + 3rd (more Horvat again here)
Hall for 1st + 3rd + 3 prospects (only one good)
Hayes for 1st + Pepe Jr
Duchene for 1st + 2 prospects + conditional 1st that didn't transfer
Both probably say no... Vancouver not wanting to risk their best forward with elite potential for an injury riddled defensemen. Avs not wanting to spend their young future mainstay top pairing guy for a center who is a bit up and down and going to command 11-12m in 1.5 seasons.
That's the type of deal I do think the Avs should be looking for though.
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Are we now more interested in trading Byram? Because all the injury talk is making me warm to the idea. What value do you think Byram would return? Byram + even.
My guess is that and Toews to the Avs deal would be involve a 3rd team that holds 25% of the burden as well. Something like:
Hawks:
1st
Behrens
50% of Toews Cap
Buffalo:
25% of Toews Cap
4th
Avs:
Toews 25% cap hit
There might have to be a roster player move, but it would just be a cheap player more than likely.
The Kingslayer
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Canucks said a month ago that EP and Hughes were the only untouchable players on the roster.
Weren’t there rumors out there that EP wanted out though? Doubt he would want to stay for a rebuild either
I just went from 2019... plenty in the past too. Pretty much any top 6 rental center is a 1st + prospect sort of basis
I doubt the Avs are, but Byram is a guy who I think should be available in the right deals. By that I mean a young, long-term solution to the 2C role where they are likely 1C quality guys... guys like Lundell/Petey/Johnson sort.
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Doubt they'd have said that if EP didn't want to stay. Especially considering how open they are about Boeser.
Wastes a prime contention year. Last year with the MacK bargain contract. Teams should never waste prime contention years.
I have zero expectations that they'd trade Petey... just saying that if you move Byram, you target that caliber.
Boeser has been on the market for 3 years now... there are reasons that nobody pays up.
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They may not... but all teams end up injured to some extent. Having them now doesn't mean the Avs will be injured later or at least injured this much.
When I think you look at the depth hit that has already happened, and will continue to happen with the new contracts, you have to take shots while you can. 3-4 runs is about all that is left before things could be done. Yeah there might be some miracles that extend, but they are far from guarantees. What is a near guarantee is with reasonable health and a 2C, the Avs have a very good shot coming out of the West this year. They need to be taking that shot.
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