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Jonathan Toews is one of the greatest captains in the history of the game, i wouldn't mind having him on this team, he could replace Helm as the 35yo veteran on a cheap contract next season.
People are getting way too far ahead of themselves. There are some revenue streams coming in and attendance has been better than expected last year (still not pre-pandemic levels). This is what is giving hope to the cap going up for 24-25. If you make the assumption that Seattle will nearly sell out every game and gate revenues will return to pre-pandemic levels for all the other teams... we're looking at ~375-400m as HRR increase. If you add that to what 21-22 did in other areas... that translates into about 88.5-89m cap. That level is more likely for 25-26 than 24-25 simply due to the escrow amounts and the payoff timing. If we get an increase for 24-25, we are likely somewhere around 87m where we could see a slightly higher 25-26.
The NHL as a gate driven league needs the ticket sales to return to pre-pandemic this season for a 24-25 increase to happen. They are projecting that currently. Economic factors are going to play in here. If the economy keeps growing, this will likely play out. If the economy starts to struggle (and signs are there), this is probably optimistic.
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NHL Revenues Rebound to $5.2 Billion on TV Deals and a Full Schedule
National Hockey League hockey-related revenues are back to pre-pandemic levels and are expected to exceed $5.2 billion, commissioner Gary Bettman said during his pre-Stanley Cup Final media conference at Denver’s Ball Arena Wednesday. “Although I got an email about it an hour ago from our CFO...sports.yahoo.com
According to this, they've already caught up with the pre-pandemic era (revenue wise).
Nothing is set in stone. Byram needs to stay mostly healthy.
Does Boston have a 3rd pairing making 11 million?
15 mil in 2025? That’s crazy talk.If the cap increases 15 m in 2025 from where it is now, Rantanen's pay increase will be all that's going against that 15 million.
What’s the biggest jump in cap history? 15mil would have to obliterate that I would imagine.
6.4m between 07-08 and 08-09... the jump between the previous seasons was higher percentage wise though. That was back when HRR was split 57% to the players. In the 50/50 split era we haven't seen over 4.7m or over 7.3%.What’s the biggest jump in cap history? 15mil would have to obliterate that I would imagine.
As I was reading this, I was interested in seeing how much revenue is from TV rights. I think for the NFL, TV rights are the vast majority of it's revenue (gate receipts not so much). So you were right about that.They have and will far surpass it this year... which is why I say if attendance rebounds we are looking at 375-400m in HRR increase. Gates will determine how quickly the cap increases and by how much.
No one’s disputing it’s going to jump. But assuming it’s going to have the biggest jump in the leagues history by a substantial amount is grasping at straws here.As I was reading this, I was interested in seeing how much revenue is from TV rights. I think for the NFL, TV rights are the vast majority of it's revenue (gate receipts not so much). So you were right about that.
But having said that, it was notworthy that these new TV deals are over 3 times what they had with NBC.
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The new TV deal is much, much better and the main reason revenues are back to pre-pandemic levels... it just happened to hit a tough time. When gates come back and the payoff is over, this $400m will be pretty impactful. We still have a ways to go.As I was reading this, I was interested in seeing how much revenue is from TV rights. I think for the NFL, TV rights are the vast majority of it's revenue (gate receipts not so much). So you were right about that.
But having said that, it was notworthy that these new TV deals are over 3 times what they had with NBC.
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Detroit rock city sure shelled out a lot of money this summer. Stevie wonder ain’t afraid of the Russians either... nuke?!I making a joke about a specific team that was called east coast, even though they aren't east coast... just in the eastern half NA.
No player is worse than Kadri at doing this.Toews is a whiny little bitch who runs to scream at the refs between every whistle. Again, if you've never seen it then you're just ignoring it.
I hear the Jackets are after P. Kane now.
No player is worse than Kadri at doing this.
I think it definitely goes both ways with Kadri. He bitches ALOT. But some of his bitching is certainly valid.I'm most definitely biased but unlike Toews, I think Kadri has a valid argument.
I don't think it's as unlikely as you say. If the players didn't owe lots of escrow, we would have already seen a significant increase this season due to the new US TV deals. So whenever the escrow gets paid off, all of the would be increases from previous seasons could be part of the jump (unless players are still partially paying off escrow in the season when the first jump happens).No one’s disputing it’s going to jump. But assuming it’s going to have the biggest jump in the leagues history by a substantial amount is grasping at straws here.
I mean do we really think it’s going to be 3x more than the biggest jump ever though? I’m certainly not disputing the fact that some big jumps will be coming. But expecting 15 with the next closest is 6 seems incredibly generous.I don't think it's as unlikely as you say. If the players didn't owe lots of escrow, we would have already seen a significant increase this season due to the new US TV deals. So whenever the escrow gets paid off, all of the would be increases from previous seasons could be part of the jump (unless players are still partially paying off escrow in the season when the first jump happens).
There are three factors in my mind that point to a large jump:
1. ESPN / TNT TV deals
2. Jersey sponsorships adding HRR (Capitals' patch is reportedly $5 million per season)
3. Inflation is making everything more expensive, including hot dogs and beers at venues--we should see some of the general inflation in society reflected in HRR
Jonathan Toews is one of the greatest captains in the history of the game, i wouldn't mind having him on this team, he could replace Helm as the 35yo veteran on a cheap contract next season.
Let's give the main reason why to be cautious. Attendance. Prior to the pandemic, the NHL was already on a downturn with gate numbers. 12-13 was the highest average attendance in the league with a little over 17,800 per game. Pre-pandemic that already dropped to 17,150. Last year we had pandemic complications, but it ended the season at 15,841. As of right now, factors 1 and 2 are just treading water from this drop in attendance (I'll add another here... tip into gambling which has helped the NHL). Now NHL projections has their numbers running closer to 17k this year (just under) and with that they are looking at a ~200m increase in HRR compared to pre-pandemic. If that number falls short again, the league will be in rough shape. If we get back over 17k and it holds for the next two seasons... odds are quite good the cap increases in 24-25.I don't think it's as unlikely as you say. If the players didn't owe lots of escrow, we would have already seen a significant increase this season due to the new US TV deals. So whenever the escrow gets paid off, all of the would be increases from previous seasons could be part of the jump (unless players are still partially paying off escrow in the season when the first jump happens).
There are three factors in my mind that point to a large jump:
1. ESPN / TNT TV deals
2. Jersey sponsorships adding HRR (Capitals' patch is reportedly $5 million per season)
3. Inflation is making everything more expensive, including hot dogs and beers at venues--we should see some of the general inflation in society reflected in HRR
Let's give the main reason why to be cautious. Attendance. Prior to the pandemic, the NHL was already on a downturn with gate numbers. 12-13 was the highest average attendance in the league with a little over 17,800 per game. Pre-pandemic that already dropped to 17,150. Last year we had pandemic complications, but it ended the season at 15,841. As of right now, factors 1 and 2 are just treading water from this drop in attendance (I'll add another here... tip into gambling which has helped the NHL). Now NHL projections has their numbers running closer to 17k this year (just under) and with that they are looking at a ~200m increase in HRR compared to pre-pandemic. If that number falls short again, the league will be in rough shape. If we get back over 17k and it holds for the next two seasons... odds are quite good the cap increases in 24-25.
On your third point, inflation normally causes people to pull back on discretionary things like entertainment. That is compounded if we enter recession. Gate revenues are likely to struggle. The last time a major, lasting recession happened, NHL attendance suffered pretty greatly.
Mack:That all adds up to Mack getting $9M and being happy with it!
Jonathan Toews is one of the greatest captains in the history of the game.