Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[Chiarelli]

Boy the love for Naz sure died off quick.


That whiny little bitch who was complicit in the Beach situation and is well, WELL past his prime has no business being around a winner ever again.

I forget that you have insider information on Toews and Kane. You have no clue his role in those situations and are too quick to condemn.

 

[Avaholic29]

I forget that you have insider information on Toews and Kane. You have no clue his role in those situations and are too quick to condemn.

It’s 2022, the outrage comes before facts and evidence.

 

[Metallo]

Toews would need double retention... Are we forgetting he earns 10M$+?

 

[Richard88]

Not against an ocean or sea

Thanks.

I thought you had said it was a team by the ocean before, maybe I just misread.

That criteria would leave Pittsburgh, Columbus, Ottawa, Montreal, Philadelphia, Buffalo, and Carolina.

Carolina would make stylistically but they didn't have the capspace to add Nuke at $7m.

Columbus moved Bjorkstrand for capspace, but I suppose it's possible that they were interested in Nuke before they learned about Gaudreau being interested.

Pittsburgh would probably have been interested if not for limited capspace unless Malkin walked.

Philadelphia under Tortorella would be an interesting fit, but they couldn't move cap to get Gaudreau so it probably would have been tough for them to add Nuke at $7m too.

Ottawa alrrady had a loaded top 6 and have a few young players to re-sign soon, including DeBrincat and Stutzle, so that seems unlikely.

Montreal have too many big winger contracts as it is and Hughes seems to be playing the long game, so Montreal seems doubtful.

Buffalo have an ocean of capspace and some good young centers and forwards who could use some insulation like Nuke. I'd guess that it was them. Amiright?

 

[Ararana]

Does anyone else wishes you would hibernate during offseason and wake up in October when season started, or its just me?

Yes, but September not October. Waking up and getting updates from training camp is pretty high on my list of things I get excited about when it comes to hockey. And I have fond memories of listening to Moser/McGahey preseason games on the radio when I can't manage to find a stream. And the rookie tournament is pretty fun to follow, but again when we have actual prospects to care about. I loved following the Byram/Newhook/Timmins rookie tournament in Phoenix.

It's already the end of August and meaningful hockey events start in 2-3 weeks. After that deep playoff run, followed immediately by the draft and UFA, I actually enjoyed the little time we got to get away from hockey for a bit. Probably the first summer since they drafted Mack that didn't feel like torture.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Is it safe to assume that if the Avs had interest in signing Evan Rodriguez, it would have happened by now?

Or are people hoping/thinking it still might happen?

 

[redacted]

Thanks.

I thought you had said it was a team by the ocean before, maybe I just misread.

That criteria would leave Pittsburgh, Columbus, Ottawa, Montreal, Philadelphia, Buffalo, and Carolina.

Carolina would make stylistically but they didn't have the capspace to add Nuke at $7m.

Columbus moved Bjorkstrand for capspace, but I suppose it's possible that they were interested in Nuke before they learned about Gaudreau being interested.

Pittsburgh would probably have been interested if not for limited capspace unless Malkin walked.

Philadelphia under Tortorella would be an interesting fit, but they couldn't move cap to get Gaudreau so it probably would have been tough for them to add Nuke at $7m too.

Ottawa alrrady had a loaded top 6 and have a few young players to re-sign soon, including DeBrincat and Stutzle, so that seems unlikely.

Montreal have too many big winger contracts as it is and Hughes seems to be playing the long game, so Montreal seems doubtful.

Buffalo have an ocean of capspace and some good young centers and forwards who could use some insulation like Nuke. I'd guess that it was them. Amiright?

I making a joke about a specific team that was called east coast, even though they aren't east coast... just in the eastern half NA.

 

[UnkleKraker]

Since that greedy b*stard MacKinnnon is closing our cup window maybe we should trade Makar for magic beans while he still has value.

I guess I better add this just for cause.

 

[Vaslof]

I mean if MacK does want something like 14.5M, a number that one clown tweeted once, we would actually big boy serious talk maybe have to make some tough decisions.

 

[Ncit3]

It’s 2022, the outrage comes before facts and evidence.

This is the kind of comment someone who would say, "Rage Against the Machine is becoming too political" would make.

 

[redacted]

I mean if MacK does want something like 14.5M, a number that one clown tweeted once, we would actually big boy serious talk maybe have to make some tough decisions.

Tough decisions are coming regardless.

Take this team with MacK at 13m, Byram at 5m, and Newhook at 2.5m. I'd say in total, that is probably on the lower end of realistic... but that leaves the Avs at ~77.5m before any bonus carryover. That is with only 15 players signed and a split of 7F-6D-2G. Meyers should at least be worth 1.5m... that pushes the Avs to 79m and 4.5m in space to sign ~6 more players including at least one top 9 player.

It is possible the cap goes up decently in 2024 (also possible it won't if the economy struggles). There is a solid chance that most (if not all) of that increase goes to Toews or Toews/G is moved for depth. If the increase comes in 2025, well Rants likely takes most of it and definitely a goalie situation here again (if it doesn't come earlier).

 

[ANewHope]

Colorado isn’t keeping everyone no matter what happens. 0% chance you can keep both Toews/Girard. I think your losing 2 top guys no matter what. I don’t think it’ll sink us and we’ll have an opportunity to still make moves it’ll just be difficult. The return on say a Girard trade will be key.

Unless MacKinnon does get like 14.5 or 15 mill. Than it’s over no matter what I think. 1.5-2 mill in cap space is really going to matter here pretty soon. Hopefully Dater is just full of shit like usual tho.

 

[CharlesPuck]

Cap could go up 10M, then we are ok!

 

[shadow1]

It seems like everyone in this thread already knows the solution to Colorado's upcoming cap woes (moving defensemen). The only question is going to be how things play out.

I didn't think re-signing Manson was a good idea. Based on his fairly reasonable contract I can't complain much, but it sure as heck creates a log jam of money on the back end. The only team spending more than Colorado on defense this upcoming season is Boston.

 

[redacted]

Cap could go up 10M, then we are ok!

But cap only going up by $5m and we're F'd.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Tough decisions are coming regardless.

Take this team with MacK at 13m, Byram at 5m, and Newhook at 2.5m. I'd say in total, that is probably on the lower end of realistic... but that leaves the Avs at ~77.5m before any bonus carryover. That is with only 15 players signed and a split of 7F-6D-2G. Meyers should at least be worth 1.5m... that pushes the Avs to 79m and 4.5m in space to sign ~6 more players including at least one top 9 player.

It is possible the cap goes up decently in 2024 (also possible it won't if the economy struggles). There is a solid chance that most (if not all) of that increase goes to Toews or Toews/G is moved for depth. If the increase comes in 2025, well Rants likely takes most of it and definitely a goalie situation here again (if it doesn't come earlier).

If the cap increases 15 m in 2025 from where it is now, Rantanen's pay increase will be all that's going against that 15 million.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Nothing is set in stone. Byram needs to stay mostly healthy.

It seems like everyone in this thread already knows the solution to Colorado's upcoming cap woes (moving defensemen). The only question is going to be how things play out.

I didn't think re-signing Manson was a good idea. Based on his fairly reasonable contract I can't complain much, but it sure as heck creates a log jam of money on the back end. The only team spending more than Colorado on defense this upcoming season is Boston.

Does Boston have a 3rd pairing making 11 million?

 

[Iceberg]

I'm not worried about the cap, we'll have plenty of space after MacKinnon walks for nothing after the season.

 

[The Abusement Park]

It’s 2022, the outrage comes before facts and evidence.

There’s no facts or evidence with Kane? Come on now.

 

[redacted]

If the cap increases 15 m in 2025 from where it is now, Rantanen's pay increase will be all that's going against that 15 million.

15m is an awfully generous number...

 

[CharlesPuck]

But cap only going up by $5m and we're F'd.

Let’s settle on it going up 10M then!

 

[John Mandalorian]

15m is an awfully generous number...

I don't pretend to know. This was a number brought up on the main board from a radio show/pod cast citing Bill Daly.

Rumor: - Dater: MacKinnon Seeking to Be the NHL's Highest Paid Player

He will get paid, either by the Avs or another team but he is getting his money one way or another.

forums.hfboards.com

I think elsewhere, someone mentioned 15 million in 3 years.

 

[redacted]

Let’s settle on it going up 10M then!

Sadly as an accountant... fudging numbers to make me feel better is against my DNA.

 

[Pokecheque]

I forget that you have insider information on Toews and Kane. You have no clue his role in those situations and are too quick to condemn.

I don't *need* insider information to hate on Kane. His extensive body of work as a world class slimeball is out there for the world to see. If you don't know all he's done then you're just purposely ignoring it.

Brent Sopel and Nick Boynton have gone on record to say they all knew. That may not be good enough for you, it is for me. Plus I find it impossible to believe they didn't know.

Lastly, yes, Toews is a whiny little bitch who runs to scream at the refs between every whistle. Again, if you've never seen it then you're just ignoring it.

 

[redacted]

I don't pretend to know. This was a number brought up on the main board from a radio show/pod cast citing Bill Daly.

Rumor: - Dater: MacKinnon Seeking to Be the NHL's Highest Paid Player

He will get paid, either by the Avs or another team but he is getting his money one way or another.

forums.hfboards.com

People are getting way too far ahead of themselves. There are some revenue streams coming in and attendance has been better than expected last year (still not pre-pandemic levels). This is what is giving hope to the cap going up for 24-25. If you make the assumption that Seattle will nearly sell out every game and gate revenues will return to pre-pandemic levels for all the other teams... we're looking at ~375-400m as HRR increase. If you add that to what 21-22 did in other areas... that translates into about 88.5-89m cap. That level is more likely for 25-26 than 24-25 simply due to the escrow amounts and the payoff timing. If we get an increase for 24-25, we are likely somewhere around 87m where we could see a slightly higher 25-26.

The NHL as a gate driven league needs the ticket sales to return to pre-pandemic this season for a 24-25 increase to happen. They are projecting that currently. Economic factors are going to play in here. If the economy keeps growing, this will likely play out. If the economy starts to struggle (and signs are there), this is probably optimistic.