Prospect Info: 2022-2023 Rangers Prospects Thread (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 06.04.2023)

[2014nyr]

lias was rushed as part of showing pieces of the rebuild sure, but he was also not the guy we ever wanted and wouldnt have mattered at all. hes just not that good. coulda left him in sweden for 10 years and he wouldnt be an nhl player

maybe kakko woulda hit the ground running better if he spent another year in finland, but coming off the yead hed had prior he wasnt going back there. 1s and 2s overall play in the nhl if its their preference and they aren't wildly over their head. he wasnt good early but he could compete

laf there was no option but the nhl.

in the end it doesnt matter. guys grow into the player theyre going to be. giving kids an extra year before the nhl can help em hit the ground running, but it doesnt change what their ceiling is nor by any great degree when they pop.

 

[cwede]

Chmelar article:

Chmelar Brings Silver Medal, Experience Back to Providence

Friars freshman hopes to be key part of team's drive towards the playoffs.

www.collegehockeynews.com

FYI, took a look at CapFriendly's NYR Reserve List page

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as expected,
Ciccolini* and Hughes are listed as Aug.15'23 rights expiry
(and Grubbe, Aaltonen as Jun'23)
* not sure if Cicc's playing only 4 games, last season, due to injury, might qualify him for another season; he just turned 22
HE,B10 played virtually full seasons during their NCAA careers

I had casually assumed Kjellberg's NCAA career was ending this spring
CF lists Kjellberg as Aug 15'24 rights expiry
He did lose the '20-21 season when RPI cancelled due to Covid
AND NCAA are allowing guys, whose teams had seasons affected by Covid, an extra season of eligibility.
So it seems
(a) Kjellberg maybe could play NCAA again in '23-24, and
(b) i guess maybe even in '24-25, when his younger brother is due to join NMU
however
(c) he will be 23 in 3 weeks

i guess even Hughes or Ciccolini might have that extra year eligibility as well,
Pack signee , rookie F Easton Brodzinski (playing w Jax) played 5 full season, 176 games, '17-22

That's all weird. The NCAA stuff is based on your "graduating class" but graduating class can change, as they define it as the class you'd be with when you actually finish attending school, and not necessarily the class you started with.

But, if you have actually graduated, you're no longer considered a bona fide college student, so your rights would then expire. This makes sense then for Ciccolini and Hughes, both of whom would have played four full seasons and likely would have graduated. That doesn't mean they couldn't play another year as they would be eligible under the COVID exception, but I don't see any mechanism where the Rangers would retain their rights if they had in fact graduated. They'd just be fifth year college free agents, I would think. I don't know if playing an extra, fifth season automatically entitled your drafting team an extra year to retain your rights. Maybe it does if you weren't considered graduated, but I don't know if it does otherwise.

Now, Kjellberg, that I don't get. I'm pretty sure he could have declared himself a free agent after last season, since it was his third year in college (including the lost 20-21 season) and he had played his D+1 year in the USHL--like a few guys before him. And yet somehow he retains an extra year of eligibility at the same time? It seems off to me.

Tyler Nanne is another interesting example.

2014: Drafted by NYR, plays USHL
2015: Moves to NCAA, Ohio State
2016: Moves to Minnesota, sits out an entire year because of it
2017: First year playing NCAA hockey
2018: Second year
2019: Thid year

Summer of 2020, his NHL rights expire 6(!) years after being drafted.

so just noted another NCAA-related Rights Expiry projection at CapFriendly which made me curious

for Chmelar, they list his rights expiry as June'25

which i guess was based on being drafted as a Euro trained player, playing in Europe,
and under guidelines of IIHF transfer agreement

but now he is Freshman with NCAA Providence

if he does well, NYR might sign him before summer'25 within this expiry projection
BUT if he were to stay for his Senior year in fall'25, would NYR have lost their exclusive rights?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

so just noted another NCAA-related Rights Expiry projection at CapFriendly which made me curious

for Chmelar, they list his rights expiry as June'25

which i guess was based on being drafted as a Euro trained player, playing in Europe,
and under guidelines of IIHF transfer agreement

but now he is Freshman with NCAA Providence

if he does well, NYR might sign him before summer'25 within this expiry projection
BUT if he were to stay for his Senior year in fall'25, would NYR have lost their exclusive rights?

No, he would only be an NHL UFA on August 15th of the year he graduates, as far as I know.

 

[GAGLine]

No, he would only be an NHL UFA on August 15th of the year he graduates, as far as I know.

I think June 1st, 2025 is correct. I know I've seen other college players with June rights expiration dates. I'd have to go back and read the rules to see exactly why though.

Edit: The June 1st date is usually for players who have left college prior to graduating.

For Chmelar, I think the date is based on the rule for players drafted out of European leagues that have a transfer agreement.

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It's possible that his status has changed with him entering college and CapFriendly just hasn't updated it.

 

[2014nyr]

had no idea we had a prospect in kelowna, good to know the scouts should get plenty of looks at cristall there.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

had no idea we had a prospect in kelowna, good to know the scouts should get plenty of looks at cristall there.

Yeah, Boyko initially played for the Tri-City Americans in Kennewick, WA. But he was traded to Kelowna, with the Americans having Tomáš Suchánek in net now, who carried his team to a silver medal at the WJC.

 

[2014nyr]

Yeah, Boyko initially played for the Tri-City Americans in Kennewick, WA. But he was traded to Kelowna, with the Americans having Tomáš Suchánek in net now, who carried his team to a silver medal at the WJC.

gotcha. i kinda loosely follow our prospects and typically never pay any attention to the draft class beyond guys i see in WJC and the week or 2 before the draft when i'll check out some guys in our range and decide who to be outraged we didnt take so i can join the party hating our draft. just happened to catch a couple hlinka games this summer though and noticed cristall, who canada barely used and broadcasts barely mentioned, but to me looked like their best player. been checking in ever since to figure out what the deal was and have my guy for this draft i will be BIG MAD ONLINE if we dont get.

out of respect for this being a rangers prospects thread, i will add that ive loved what ive seen from mcconnell-barker. hes got real potential if he can play at nhl pace. like his game a lot - hockey iq and shot look very impressive in the limited viewings ive had.

 

[GAGLine]

Othmann with a couple assists tonight in an 8-3 win. Bob had no points, was a -2 with 3 shots and 10 of 22 on faceoffs in a 5-4 OT loss.

 

[cozandeffect]

Thought I'd give a Kempf update since it's been awhile.

Kempf had his best game IMO of the year tonight. Made one horrendous decision that nearly cost a goal, and sent him back to the 3rd pair after being elevated, but otherwise was really good. Looked really comfortable on the puck in the D-zone. Like a 180 from where he was pretty recently. Good outlet passes, smart decision-making on where to make the pass, and dealt with pressure much better.

Didn't do much offensively, but made some good passes in the O-zone, and is at least a willing shooter.

If he can keep up the passing acumen, I think he's got a shot, but it will come down to footspeed, especially in transition, and some more improvement with his defensive awareness. He doesn't get caught puck watching, but Cornell plays a decent amount of man, and he doesn't always handle switches or trying to cover multiple guys very well. I believe that will come with age and experience.

I know, I know, if he's good at defense and skating he'll make the NHL. What an observation.

Feel free to ask any questions you want.

 

[GAGLine]

Soo wins 4-3 in a shootout. Bob with a goal and the primary assist on the game tying goal late in the 3rd. 4 shots on goal, +1 and 12 of 23 on faceoffs. He also scored in the shootout.

 

[bobbop]

I think June 1st, 2025 is correct. I know I've seen other college players with June rights expiration dates. I'd have to go back and read the rules to see exactly why though.

Edit: The June 1st date is usually for players who have left college prior to graduating.

For Chmelar, I think the date is based on the rule for players drafted out of European leagues that have a transfer agreement.

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It's possible that his status has changed with him entering college and CapFriendly just hasn't updated it.

Send Cap Friendly an email. They are really good at checking things and correcting when necessary.

 

[nyr2k2]

Boyko was pulled after allowing 3 goals on 7 shots in 8 minutes.

As mentioned earlier, BMB had 1+1.

Barbashev had an assist.

Kjellberg had an assist.

Karpa missed another game, so he probably has some kind of injury.

Chmelar had 1+1. He had been cold with just 1 assist in his previous 11 games.

Noah Laba had 1+1 and is up to 9-7-16 in 24 games. Nice season for him.

 

[NYR Viper]

Nice season for both Chemlar and Laba

 

[effen]

It's okay to say that both Andersson's immaturity and the Rangers mis-handling of him were culprits for what eventually occurred. It's most definitely both. Andersson should have been given a bit more time at the NHL level with Howden going down and he should have not sulked when down there.

All in all, it seems like there was practically no communication between the two parties from the outside looking in which is poor

Andersson at no point was a better player than Howden. Dude couldn't get from point A to point B. Still can't!!!

You can tell this by Howden spending no time in the AHL in 5 seasons while Andersson lives there when he's not f***ing off back to Sweden.

Sometimes there's no hidden explanation. It just is what it seems to be.

 

[Black Tank]

Andersson at no point was a better player than Howden. Dude couldn't get from point A to point B. Still can't!!!

You can tell this by Howden spending no time in the AHL in 5 seasons while Andersson lives there when he's not f***ing off back to Sweden.

Sometimes there's no hidden explanation. It just is what it seems to be.

Yup, scouting teens to figure out if they're going to join one of the most difficult clubs in the world is always going to be more misses than hits and this was a big miss for the org. Life goes on.

 

[Ranger Ric]

Yup, scouting teens to figure out if they're going to join one of the most difficult clubs in the world is always going to be more misses than hits and this was a big miss for the org. Life goes on.

According to Vince M. article this week on "the letter," the Rangers wanted Makar or Peterson but were unsuccessful in trading up. The Rangers then were choosing between Andersson, Suzuki and Necas. Clearly this was a big miss. Somewhere else I read that the Rangers were going to choose Josh Norris at 21 but Ottawa took him at 20. The Rangers selected Chytil. That pick looks pretty good. Drafting is an educated crap shoot and the best approach is to buy as many lottery tickets as you can and see which ones pay off.

 

[2014nyr]

Andersson at no point was a better player than Howden. Dude couldn't get from point A to point B. Still can't!!!

You can tell this by Howden spending no time in the AHL in 5 seasons while Andersson lives there when he's not f***ing off back to Sweden.

Sometimes there's no hidden explanation. It just is what it seems to be.

howden was on his way from a to b, but he fell down

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Just saw that Emberson is only 22. Thought he was an older minor league lifer. Is he a legit prospect?

 

[nyr2k2]

Just saw that Emberson is only 22. Thought he was an older minor league lifer. Is he a legit prospect?

He's not a high-end guy but he's definitely legit.

 

[JohnC]

Emberson was Miller’s partner at Wisconsin wasn’t he?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Emberson was Miller’s partner at Wisconsin wasn’t he?

Yup.

 

[cwede]

Just saw that Emberson is only 22. Thought he was an older minor league lifer. Is he a legit prospect?

maybe you were mixing him up with Welinski, the vet RHD signed during the summer?

this is just 2nd pro season for Emberson, he was at Wisco '20-21

as I've written here before, RHD are like lefty pitchers, teams always have a need, if not a complete bust, alwasy gonna be opportunities

 

[Fitzy]

Now that Skinner is gone, Emberson is pretty much the only RD prospect in the organization who has any shot at the NHL.

I think he and Mancini are the only ones period.

If NYR trade Trouba in the summer of 2024, they'll need someone to play the bottom pairing.

 

[nyr2k2]

Laba tied it with less than 17 to play and CC won in a SO.

 

[nyr2k2]

Not for nothing but Lindbom has had 4 starts since going back to the ECHL after his cameo in Hartford:

3-1, 1.51 GAA, .948 SV%