Prospect Info: 2022-2023 Rangers Prospects Thread (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 06.04.2023)

[Amazing Kreiderman]

You could just as easily make the argument that they've rushed some guys who would've been better served spending some/more time in the minors. Chytil may have developed better. Kakko could've def used at least a year in Europe/minors. Lafreniere has struggled. He might benefit from a stint in the AHL even at this point. Lias wasn't ready. Depending what angle you take on it, I think you can make either argument.

Those guys were playing at age 18. Othmann is 20 and spent 2 full years in juniors after being drafted. Vastly different path.

 

[Barnaby]

Those guys were playing at age 18. Othmann is 20 and spent 2 full years in juniors after being drafted. Vastly different path.

In the case of Othmann. Sure, but even if they determine him to be a little green at the start of next camp and decide they see him as more of a midseason call-up then I'm honestly ok with that. They took their time with Dubinsky, Callahan, Anisimov, and Mcdonagh. I don’t think any of those guys were worse for the wear. Some guys are ready younger. Im not going to pretend to be the expert. Heck, there were plenty of people expecting to see Lafreniere or Kakko ifly out of the gate in year one. I wont complain if they practice patience.

 

[cwede]

Not involving NYR prospect, but seemed best place to share

in last night's Union at Colgate game, Union ahead 1-0,
with 2.8 seconds remaining Second period, whistle for a Colgate O-zone faceoff

Colgate coach pulls his goalie,
Union wins faceoff to Union D-man who slaps it ice-length, into the abandoned net w 0.3 seconds left

(I haven't seen the tape, that it was slapper was second hand information, but makes sense)

 

[GAGLine]

Othmann not playing tonight. Don't know why.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Othmann not playing tonight. Don't know why.

Flu

 

[nyr2k2]

Talyn Boyko had a 51-save shutout last night.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Talyn Boyko had a 51-save shutout last night.

 

[Antiillafire]

Another assist for Sykora today.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Sykora now has 10 points in his last 9 games.

 

[nyr2k2]

BMB with 2 helpers. His 59 points now account for 39% of his team's offense.

Korczak had 1+1.

Ollas stopped 25 of 28 and took the OTL. He's had a rough go of it lately.

 

[egelband]

In the case of Othmann. Sure, but even if they determine him to be a little green at the start of next camp and decide they see him as more of a midseason call-up then I'm honestly ok with that. They took their time with Dubinsky, Callahan, Anisimov, and Mcdonagh. I don’t think any of those guys were worse for the wear. Some guys are ready younger. Im not going to pretend to be the expert. Heck, there were plenty of people expecting to see Lafreniere or Kakko ifly out of the gate in year one. I wont complain if they practice patience.

Yeah. If anything, one could say the rangers approach has been completely inconsistent. They’ve rushed guys they should have been more conservative with and vice versa.
Easy to say in hindsight, of course.

 

[eco's bones]

Yeah. If anything, one could say the rangers approach has been completely inconsistent. They’ve rushed guys they should have been more conservative with and vice versa.
Easy to say in hindsight, of course.

Kakko was certainly rushed. He was not ready for his rookie season. Howden was another. We have to look at where the rest of the team was at that point. When the Rangers started trading off most of their veterans our player development system was already in kind of a shambles. We hadn't had a 1st rounder in 5 years. The guys we picked up from the McDonagh and Nash deals went straight to the top of our prospects list along with Andersson and Chytil because we didn't have anyone better. Some of these guys more than less failed but it takes time to work the successful from the failures out (and it's easy to blame their coaches). For a couple three years though the better and the worst of them filled holes for us that wouldn't have been there if we had continued on the path we were on instead of going the way of the Letter.

The situation is different now. We're back to more veterans but we've worked a lot of younger guys into the mix. The holes aren't there for young guys just to fall into anymore. They actually have to beat players out and for someone like Othmann LW has 3 very good established players.....so it's not easy at all.

 

[JohnC]

The Brett Howden treatment always blew my mind. Could’ve been a two-way 3C for us if the organization didn’t just decide he didn't need to put literally any time in playing in the AHL.

 

[bhamill]

Man. That kind of shooting gallery/workload has to really have its benefits for a young goalie.

 

[cwede]

The Brett Howden treatment always blew my mind. Could’ve been a two-way 3C for us if the organization didn’t just decide he didn't need to put literally any time in playing in the AHL.

glad to have Cuylle but Quinn coulda spilt NHL time, those first years, between Howden and Lias, and both mighta been better off

 

[kovazub94]

Kakko was certainly rushed. He was not ready for his rookie season. Howden was another. We have to look at where the rest of the team was at that point. When the Rangers started trading off most of their veterans our player development system was already in kind of a shambles. We hadn't had a 1st rounder in 5 years. The guys we picked up from the McDonagh and Nash deals went straight to the top of our prospects list along with Andersson and Chytil because we didn't have anyone better. Some of these guys more than less failed but it takes time to work the successful from the failures out (and it's easy to blame their coaches). For a couple three years though the better and the worst of them filled holes for us that wouldn't have been there if we had continued on the path we were on instead of going the way of the Letter.

The situation is different now. We're back to more veterans but we've worked a lot of younger guys into the mix. The holes aren't there for young guys just to fall into anymore. They actually have to beat players out and for someone like Othmann LW has 3 very good established players.....so it's not easy at all.

You’re exactly right - each situation has a context. As far as Kakko and Lafreniere is concerned - the default approach to 1/2 OA picks is straight to the NHL. Should FO had enough backbone to do what’s right right than what’s norm? Sure but it’s easier to say than do when you’re yourself in the same position and being judged. Different circumstances for Howden but as you noted again it was situation where circumstances if not dictated than heavily influenced the outcome.

 

[kovazub94]

glad to have Cuylle but Quinn coulda spilt NHL time, those first years, between Howden and Lias, and both mighta been better off

The fans issue at the time wasn’t NHL vs. AHL but rather 3rd or 4th line and knowing what happened since they were moved I bet they’d still become what they are even with a different development plan.

 

[nyr2k2]

The fans issue at the time wasn’t NHL vs. AHL but rather 3rd or 4th line and knowing what happened since they were moved I bet they’d still become what they are even with a different development plan.

Andersson in particular, I remember arguing that he outplayed Howden and should be getting his minutes. That was my problem with how they used Andersson. And then when they did send him to the AHL again, that's when he ran into his "problems" and also decided he was above that level and quit on us. Watching how things unfolded with Andersson, it made me wonder if the NHL coaching staff had concerns or issues with him, similar to like what they had with DeAngelo, and that was part of why he was on the fourth line.

 

[kovazub94]

Andersson in particular, I remember arguing that he outplayed Howden and should be getting his minutes. That was my problem with how they used Andersson. And then when they did send him to the AHL again, that's when he ran into his "problems" and also decided he was above that level and quit on us. Watching how things unfolded with Andersson, it made me wonder if the NHL coaching staff had concerns or issues with him, similar to like what they had with DeAngelo, and that was part of why he was on the fourth line.

This is where I’m myself - Andersson’s issues didn’t originate when he was sent to Hartford but rather his existing issues surfaced / became more apparent.

 

[nyr2k2]

This is where I’m myself - Andersson’s issues didn’t originate when he was sent to Hartford but rather his existing issues surfaced / became more apparent.

I remember being really adamant that the medal tossing thing wasn't a sign of immaturity, it was just a sign of him being a fierce competitor. Now, I believe both to be true. I don't think the Rangers did him many favors, but the guy seemed to also be his own worst enemy.

 

[cwede]

BMB with 2 helpers. His 59 points now account for 39% of his team's offense.

Korczak had 1+1.

Ollas stopped 25 of 28 and took the OTL. He's had a rough go of it lately.

this reminded me that Providence played Sunday
both Berard, Chlemar scoreless but PU defeated Vermont 3-1

but also took a quick look at NMU,
it seems Kjellberg hasn't dressed for last 3 weekends,
assuming my quickie review wasn't too sloppy, he had played in first 22, now missed 6 straight
CORRECTION Kjellberg returned to lineup on Saturday after not playing Friday or recently

 

[Fitzy]

Lias could have probably gotten 1-2 grand on ebay for that medal too- that's the real tragedy there

 

[kovazub94]

I remember being really adamant that the medal tossing thing wasn't a sign of immaturity, it was just a sign of him being a fierce competitor. Now, I believe both to be true. I don't think the Rangers did him many favors, but the guy seemed to also be his own worst enemy.

Same traits can turn both into positive or negative. Without hindsight there’s no way of knowing.

Lias could have probably gotten 1-2 grand on ebay for that medal too- that's the real tragedy there

With the back story now the guy who caught it can make $5k.

 

[RGY]

Andersson in particular, I remember arguing that he outplayed Howden and should be getting his minutes. That was my problem with how they used Andersson. And then when they did send him to the AHL again, that's when he ran into his "problems" and also decided he was above that level and quit on us. Watching how things unfolded with Andersson, it made me wonder if the NHL coaching staff had concerns or issues with him, similar to like what they had with DeAngelo, and that was part of why he was on the fourth line.

Andersson absolutely outplayed Howden in that one camp. And then they gave Howden the spot. That was the beginning of the end.

 

[NYR Viper]

It's okay to say that both Andersson's immaturity and the Rangers mis-handling of him were culprits for what eventually occurred. It's most definitely both. Andersson should have been given a bit more time at the NHL level with Howden going down and he should have not sulked when down there.

All in all, it seems like there was practically no communication between the two parties from the outside looking in which is poor