Prospect Info: 2022-2023 Rangers Prospects Thread (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 06.04.2023)

[Lua]

Othmann with all 3 Petes gaols with a period left to play. Good to see him hitting the scoresheet in a big way again

Ended the game with a + on the game winning goal

Had 10(!) of the Pete's 66 shots

BMB also got a goal in his 4–7 loss against the Spitfires

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[RangersFan1994]

I dont see why he cant come onto the team like Kreider did in 2012.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I dont see why he cant come onto the team like Kreider did in 2012.

Krieder was just turning 22 and had his man strength already. Othmann just turned 20 and still needs to get stronger to be an impact player in the NHL.

No reason to throw him into the lineup this year. He can cook in the AHL to finish the year up.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Krieder was just turning 22 and had his man strength already. Othmann just turned 20 and still needs to get stronger to be an impact player in the NHL.

No reason to throw him into the lineup this year. He can cook in the AHL to finish the year up.

Kravtsov is 22 and we know how strong he isn’t. Im sure Othmann is stronger than him right now since both weigh about the same

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Kravtsov is 22 and we know how strong he isn’t. Im sure Othmann is stronger than him right now since both weigh about the same

That bar isnt set very high by Kravtsov

 

[RangersFan1994]

That bar isnt set very high by Kravtsov

Im sure Othmann will have a better NHL career.

Kravtsov will be back in Europe within 3 years or less.

 

[huerter]

Kreider was a freak and also had no clue what he was doing. In fact, a year later in the 2013 playoffs he had a mount rushmore moment.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

We got the shitty Hughes...

Jack Hughes' brother

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Krieder was just turning 22 and had his man strength already. Othmann just turned 20 and still needs to get stronger to be an impact player in the NHL.

No reason to throw him into the lineup this year. He can cook in the AHL to finish the year up.

I swear, it's only this team where 20-year olds can never just get an opportunity. They have to play minor league hockey first, or be stuck on the 4th line for 3 f***ing years.

Scheifele was 20 when he became a full-time NHLer. Same with Barzal, Monahan, DeBrincat, Domi, Wolski (Had 50 points at age 20 in the NHL), Konecny, Thomas, Suzuki, Dvorak, Burakovsky.

But no. Our prospects always have to suffer and get f***ed over in Hartford first.

This org really is the graveyard for young forwards

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I swear, it's only this team where 20-year olds can never just get an opportunity. They have to play minor league hockey first, or be stuck on the 4th line for 3 f***ing years.

Scheifele was 20 when he became a full-time NHLer. Same with Barzal, Monahan, DeBrincat, Domi, Wolski (Had 50 points at age 20 in the NHL), Konecny, Thomas, Suzuki, Dvorak, Burakovsky.

But no. Our prospects always have to suffer and get f***ed over in Hartford first.

This org really is the graveyard for young forwards

I’d rather them play in the AHL and get 20 minutes than useless 4th line minutes in the NHL. (Unless of course their potential in the NHL is only a 4th liner).

And if course i dont want him there for 3 years..

It’s the coaching staff’s fault for never giving them a chance to succeed. Wouldnt want to upset baby Panarin and take away his ice.

 

[nyr2k2]

I mean if we're going back to days of Wojtek Wolski who was drafted in 2004... The Rangers integrated guys like Derek Stepan and Artem Anisimov pretty much immediately. Kreider stepped directly out of college into an important role in the playoffs. Buchnevich was playing 15 minutes per game his second year in the league and while not everyone like the way he was used, it helped him become an excellent all-around player in this league. JT Miller was a different animal but even now, you can see he has the same issues that bothered the Rangers when he was a young guy. Fast and Hagelin were plugged into appropriate roles and brought along well, and people actually argued we overused them.

There's a real dearth of high-end forwards beyond those guys I mentioned, of course with Cherepanov being a huge hole.

Then you get into the Chytil/Andersson/Kravtsov/Kakko/Lafreniere era, but those guys are all still actively developing and have been argued about endlessly and I have no desire to really go down that rabbit hole (although I have to say I was an Andersson defender, but he actually sucks).

If you want to make the argument we're a graveyard for forward prospects, but also look back 20 years, it doesn't really add up. You can maybe make the argument based on the last five or so years, though there's still a lot left to be written on those guys before we can close the book on what they are or aren't.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I mean if we're going back to days of Wojtek Wolski who was drafted in 2004... The Rangers integrated guys like Derek Stepan and Artem Anisimov pretty much immediately. Kreider stepped directly out of college into an important role in the playoffs. Buchnevich was playing 15 minutes per game his second year in the league and while not everyone like the way he was used, it helped him become an excellent all-around player in this league. JT Miller was a different animal but even now, you can see he has the same issues that bothered the Rangers when he was a young guy. Fast and Hagelin were plugged into appropriate roles and brought along well, and people actually argued we overused them.

There's a real dearth of high-end forwards beyond those guys I mentioned, of course with Cherepanov being a huge hole.

Then you get into the Chytil/Andersson/Kravtsov/Kakko/Lafreniere era, but those guys are all still actively developing and have been argued about endlessly and I have no desire to really go down that rabbit hole (although I have to say I was an Andersson defender, but he actually sucks).

If you want to make the argument we're a graveyard for forward prospects, but also look back 20 years, it doesn't really add up. You can maybe make the argument based on the last five or so years, though there's still a lot left to be written on those guys before we can close the book on what they are or aren't.

Ok. Ignore Wolski then. I was just listing players and he popped in my head.

Scheifele
Barzal
Suzuki
Caufield
Aho
Ehelers
Forsberg
Monahan
Pastrňák
Boeser
DeBrincat
Domi
Konecny
Duclair
Lundell
Mercer
Thomas
Point
Boldy
Farabee
Burakovsky
Beauvillier
Dvorak
Fischer
Newhook
Bratt
Larkin
Tomasino
Jenner
Nichushkin
Fabbri
Girgensons
Schmaltz
Höglander
Jost


But Othmann has to develop in the AHL first because god forbid this team actually lets a young forward develops in the NHL. The whole "He has to develop in the AHL first" is just the standard answer nowadays. It's not even a discussion, ever. No, have to go through the AHL first, for some reason.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Ok.

Scheifele
Barzal
Suzuki
Caufield
Last decade

Aho
Ehelers
Forsberg
Monahan
Pastrňák
Boeser
DeBrincat
Domi
Konecny
Duclair
Lundell
Mercer
Thomas
Point
Boldy
Farabee
Burakovsky
Beauvillier
Dvorak
Fischer
Newhook
Bratt
Larkin
Tomasino
Jenner
Nichushkin
Fabbri
Girgensons
Schmaltz
Höglander
Jost


But Othmann has to develop in the AHL first because god forbid this team actually lets a young forward develops in the NHL. The whole "He has to develop in the AHL first" is just the standard answer nowadays. It's not even a discussion, ever. No, have to go through the AHL first, for some reason.

I mean, you are answering your own comment so I'm not sure who you are arguing with.

 

[dshea19]

The only place for Othman in the lineup would be on the top line, if you are keeping the 12-72-24 line together. That is asking a lot of a player with no NHL experience. Maybe he can do it. Is there a way for them to give him a game or two at the end of the season if they locked in a playoff spot and his juniors seasons is over? However, I would guess they are going to try and fill a wing spot with a targeted trade like last year. I think we do see Othman next season, though. I would bet he gets and extended look at the beginning of the season to see if he stays or goes to the AHL. I also think he, in the mind of Rangers management, makes VK a high trade possibility.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I mean, you are answering your own comment so I'm not sure who you are arguing with.

I am not so much arguing against something said here. Just venting my overall frustration that we always go through this same shit with literally everyone we draft to the point where we as the fanbase essentially elevated that to become the standard. I just want to see a guy make the team on opening night and stick for once. It's been over a decade

 

[nyr2k2]

I am not so much arguing against something said here. Just venting my overall frustration that we always go through this same shit with literally everyone we draft to the point where we as the fanbase essentially elevated that to become the standard. I just want to see a guy make the team on opening night and stick for once. It's been over a decade

Who have we forced to develop in the AHL, though, that shouldn't have been there? I mean I would even argue that both Kakko and Lafreniere could have used some time there, because even when they were given "real" opportunities as rookies, neither looked particularly ready to be an impact player (and I'd argue Lafreniere still doesn't look like he's close to being an impact player). Like, is anyone going to argue that they saw anything from either guy as a rookie that made them think they were ready to score 50-60 points? I sure as shit didn't.

We also have defenseman skip the AHL, Miller being the obvious recent example. I don't think we have a "must send to AHL" mentality. I think they put the kids where they think they can play. Sometimes people have inflated and unrealistic expectations, like thinking Cuylle was going to win a spot to start the year, or a couple years ago that Kravtsov was going to step right in and score 40 points.

It's a different discussion about how they're used in the NHL, but I think it's a tired narrative that we force talented players to the AHL and that the AHL is a wasteland.

 

[kovazub94]

Who have we forced to develop in the AHL, though, that shouldn't have been there? I mean I would even argue that both Kakko and Lafreniere could have used some time there, because even when they were given "real" opportunities as rookies, neither looked particularly ready to be an impact player (and I'd argue Lafreniere still doesn't look like he's close to being an impact player). Like, is anyone going to argue that they saw anything from either guy as a rookie that made them think they were ready to score 50-60 points? I sure as shit didn't.

We also have defenseman skip the AHL, Miller being the obvious recent example. I don't think we have a "must send to AHL" mentality. I think they put the kids where they think they can play. Sometimes people have inflated and unrealistic expectations, like thinking Cuylle was going to win a spot to start the year, or a couple years ago that Kravtsov was going to step right in and score 40 points.

It's a different discussion about how they're used in the NHL, but I think it's a tired narrative that we force talented players to the AHL and that the AHL is a wasteland.

I saw a list of about 30 players spread out over 10 years at least. For the ease of calculation let’s say 1-3 rounds and 30 teams over 15 years. We’re talking well over 1,200 players taken. This is a very rough math and I’m rounding and haircutting as crazy (and not accounting for many years when the Rangers didn’t have picks in this sample) but c’mon…. 3%?

 

[nyr2k2]

I saw a list of about 30 players spread out over 10 years at least. For the ease of calculation let’s say 1-3 rounds and 30 teams over 15 years. We’re talking well over 1,200 players taken. This is a very rough math and I’m rounding and haircutting as crazy (and not accounting for many years when the Rangers didn’t have picks in this sample) but c’mon…. 3%?

Yeah, I get the point that we haven't done a stellar job developing high-end forwards. That's a hard point to argue. I just don't think it's because we force them into Hartford or that they go to Hartford and are mishandled or anything. I think it's more a matter of us not being good at integrating young players into a "contending" NHL lineup in a way that allows them to play to their strengths. I actually think they could use the AHL more, although obviously not all guys are willing to go to the AHL (as we've seen, LOL).

 

[nyr2k2]

By my math, BMB has been involved in 38% of his team's goals, which makes his 57 points in 47 games (including tonight) more impressive.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

By my math, BMB has been involved in 38% of his team's goals, which makes his 57 points in 47 games (including tonight) more impressive.

For comparison, the top-5 in scoring are involved in:

1. Matthew Maggio 32.7%
2. Matvey Petrov 34.3%
3. Ty Voit 45.5%
4. Kyle Jackson 32.8%
5. Tucker Robertson 38.8%

 

[Ranger Ric]

Yeah, I get the point that we haven't done a stellar job developing high-end forwards. That's a hard point to argue. I just don't think it's because we force them into Hartford or that they go to Hartford and are mishandled or anything. I think it's more a matter of us not being good at integrating young players into a "contending" NHL lineup in a way that allows them to play to their strengths. I actually think they could use the AHL more, although obviously not all guys are willing to go to the AHL (as we've seen, LOL).

I generally agree with you. The only point I would add is that in the last 3 years I have watched Hartford I think KK overplays veterans and doesn't give the kids enough of an opportunity. Veterans are important to help develop kids but if you play the veterans together you're not doing enough to develop the kids. Maybe the kids aren't good enough and wouldn't develop even if given a chance. In tonight's game Trivigno and Henriksson were together on the fourth line with Rempe scratched. I don't think either Trivigno, who is one of the best offensive players on the team or Henriksson get any PP time. Given how bad the Pack PP is (32 out of 32), would it really be a bad idea to give one or more of the kids a chance?

 

[eco's bones]

As a left wing Othmann is automatically behind Panarin, Kreider and Lafreniere. Now if we moved Panarin and/or Kreider we might get some cap space (depending on what we got in return) and there would be a hole for Othmann to fit into. But as long as those three are with the team he doesn't have a path into our top 9 LW positions.

The second part of that is how ready Brennan is and how patient the Rangers will be for him to get up to speed in the NHL which might be more immediate or might not. It's a step from the CHL to the NHL. Some players it's an easier step than others but usually you won't know until it happens. Along with that step are the Rangers expectations. We made the playoffs last year after a really good year--won two playoff series and went to the conference finals. We have seemingly taken a step back this year but very likely are going to the playoffs again and the Rangers are not likely in the near future as long as those playoff expectations are here to experiment with multiple young players at any given time that struggle too much. Maybe one/two guys but that's about it and if they struggle too much they'll end up in Hartford and have to battle their way back. There's a difference between how playoff teams and non playoff teams handle their prospects.

 

[nyr2k2]

For comparison, the top-5 in scoring are involved in:

1. Matthew Maggio 32.7%
2. Matvey Petrov 34.3%
3. Ty Voit 45.5%
4. Kyle Jackson 32.8%
5. Tucker Robertson 38.8%

Yeah, and his team is terrible. They're -62 on goal differential on the season and have lost their last three games 9-4, 7-4, and tonight, 12-1.

 

[Barnaby]

I swear, it's only this team where 20-year olds can never just get an opportunity. They have to play minor league hockey first, or be stuck on the 4th line for 3 f***ing years.

Scheifele was 20 when he became a full-time NHLer. Same with Barzal, Monahan, DeBrincat, Domi, Wolski (Had 50 points at age 20 in the NHL), Konecny, Thomas, Suzuki, Dvorak, Burakovsky.

But no. Our prospects always have to suffer and get f***ed over in Hartford first.

This org really is the graveyard for young forwards

You could just as easily make the argument that they've rushed some guys who would've been better served spending some/more time in the minors. Chytil may have developed better. Kakko could've def used at least a year in Europe/minors. Lafreniere has struggled. He might benefit from a stint in the AHL even at this point. Lias wasn't ready. Depending what angle you take on it, I think you can make either argument.