Prospect Info: 2022-2023 Rangers Prospects Thread (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 06.04.2023)

[kovazub94]

It's tough because you look at things lately, and have guys like Miller, Kakko, Lafreniere, who were all high picks and skipped Hartford completely (even if the latter two probably could have used some time there, honestly). You have Kravtsov--his situation is what it is; I think it's a failure on the player's part and also somewhat on the organization, but it wasn't a problem with development in Hartford. Andersson is similar, in that at the beginning he was actually coming along nicely in Hartford, but then ran into personal issues. Maybe you can argue that Hartford should have done more to support him, but again, Hartford's GM at the time was an AGM with the Rangers and it's really incumbent on the parent club to make sure their prime assets are taken care of.

You also have guys that did spend time in Hartford, but not much. Braden Schneider, Filip Chytil, Nils Lundkvist. Those guys. Chytil seemed to be helped by Hartford IMO, and Schneider was definitely better in his last game with Hartford than his first game. Lundkvist didn't progress really, but it was clear he didn't want to be in the AHL at all.

Zac Jones? I think Hartford has helped him. He's a better player than when he first turned pro. Will Cuylle is developing nicely. Garand is picking it up. You have guys like Matt Rempe who have already exceeded expectations. Matt Robertson has his issues, but it's becoming clear to me that he just might not be the player I thought he was. You can see he's being coached up, and working on adapting his game, but I'm not sure if he has it. Joey Keane was a guy who was doing great in Hartford. Morgan Barron is a solid contributor in the NHL and he worked on his game in Hartford.

Some guys, like Tim Gettinger, are interesting cases. Tim Gettinger is objectively a better player now than he was when he broke into the league. The Hartford staff has done good work with him. He's just not an NHL caliber player. That's not a development failure, it's reality. Same for someone like Ty Ronning or Tarmo Reunanen.

When I look back to the 2016 draft--right before that was that awful stretch where we never had picks and were excited by guys like Keegan Iverson--the closest thing I see to a development failure is Robertson, and as mentioned I'm not sure if he's even actually that good. Maybe Hunter Skinner? He's a fringe guy but I think they should be utilizing him more. But that's really it. I think Hartford has been a fine place for the kids to develop, we just haven't sent many impact NHL players down there recently (that weren't nuts). If you want to develop NHL-caliber players with your AHL affiliate, you need to send the AHL affiliate NHL-caliber prospects.

Recently, Graves developed in Hartford.

Glad you also mentioned Keane who had been in Hartford until we were able to convert into Gautier.

 

[nyr2k2]

Chmelar article:

Chmelar Brings Silver Medal, Experience Back to Providence

Friars freshman hopes to be key part of team's drive towards the playoffs.

www.collegehockeynews.com

 

[cwede]

FYI, took a look at CapFriendly's NYR Reserve List page

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Thank you for the amazing 9 years

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as expected,
Ciccolini* and Hughes are listed as Aug.15'23 rights expiry
(and Grubbe, Aaltonen as Jun'23)
* not sure if Cicc's playing only 4 games, last season, due to injury, might qualify him for another season; he just turned 22
HE,B10 played virtually full seasons during their NCAA careers

I had casually assumed Kjellberg's NCAA career was ending this spring
CF lists Kjellberg as Aug 15'24 rights expiry
He did lose the '20-21 season when RPI cancelled due to Covid
AND NCAA are allowing guys, whose teams had seasons affected by Covid, an extra season of eligibility.
So it seems
(a) Kjellberg maybe could play NCAA again in '23-24, and
(b) i guess maybe even in '24-25, when his younger brother is due to join NMU
however
(c) he will be 23 in 3 weeks

i guess even Hughes or Ciccolini might have that extra year eligibility as well,
Pack signee , rookie F Easton Brodzinski (playing w Jax) played 5 full season, 176 games, '17-22

 

[RangersFan1994]

Chmelar article:

Chmelar Brings Silver Medal, Experience Back to Providence

Friars freshman hopes to be key part of team's drive towards the playoffs.

www.collegehockeynews.com

I think he will be a steal of the draft. I just a gut feeling I have. Jesper Fast type player in my opinion.

 

[nyr2k2]

FYI, took a look at CapFriendly's NYR Reserve List page

Thank You - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Thank you for the amazing 9 years

www.capfriendly.com

as expected,
Ciccolini* and Hughes are listed as Aug.15'23 rights expiry
(and Grubbe, Aaltonen as Jun'23)
* not sure if Cicc's playing only 4 games, last season, due to injury, might qualify him for another season; he just turned 22
HE,B10 played virtually full seasons during their NCAA careers

I had casually assumed Kjellberg's NCAA career was ending this spring
CF lists Kjellberg as Aug 15'24 rights expiry
He did lose the '20-21 season when RPI cancelled due to Covid
AND NCAA are allowing guys, whose teams had seasons affected by Covid, an extra season of eligibility.
So it seems
(a) Kjellberg maybe could play NCAA again in '23-24, and
(b) i guess maybe even in '24-25, when his younger brother is due to join NMU
however
(c) he will be 23 in 3 weeks

i guess even Hughes or Ciccolini might have that extra year eligibility as well,
Pack signee , rookie F Easton Brodzinski (playing w Jax) played 5 full season, 176 games, '17-22

That's all weird. The NCAA stuff is based on your "graduating class" but graduating class can change, as they define it as the class you'd be with when you actually finish attending school, and not necessarily the class you started with.

But, if you have actually graduated, you're no longer considered a bona fide college student, so your rights would then expire. This makes sense then for Ciccolini and Hughes, both of whom would have played four full seasons and likely would have graduated. That doesn't mean they couldn't play another year as they would be eligible under the COVID exception, but I don't see any mechanism where the Rangers would retain their rights if they had in fact graduated. They'd just be fifth year college free agents, I would think. I don't know if playing an extra, fifth season automatically entitled your drafting team an extra year to retain your rights. Maybe it does if you weren't considered graduated, but I don't know if it does otherwise.

Now, Kjellberg, that I don't get. I'm pretty sure he could have declared himself a free agent after last season, since it was his third year in college (including the lost 20-21 season) and he had played his D+1 year in the USHL--like a few guys before him. And yet somehow he retains an extra year of eligibility at the same time? It seems off to me.

 

[cwede]

That's all weird. The NCAA stuff is based on your "graduating class" but graduating class can change, as they define it as the class you'd be with when you actually finish attending school, and not necessarily the class you started with.

But, if you have actually graduated, you're no longer considered a bona fide college student, so your rights would then expire. This makes sense then for Ciccolini and Hughes, both of whom would have played four full seasons and likely would have graduated. That doesn't mean they couldn't play another year as they would be eligible under the COVID exception, but I don't see any mechanism where the Rangers would retain their rights if they had in fact graduated. They'd just be fifth year college free agents, I would think. I don't know if playing an extra, fifth season automatically entitled your drafting team an extra year to retain your rights. Maybe it does if you weren't considered graduated, but I don't know if it does otherwise.

Now, Kjellberg, that I don't get. I'm pretty sure he could have declared himself a free agent after last season, since it was his third year in college (including the lost 20-21 season) and he had played his D+1 year in the USHL--like a few guys before him. And yet somehow he retains an extra year of eligibility at the same time? It seems off to me.

I dont have your detailed understanding of NCAA rules, vs NHL rights, but exceptional situations catch my attention.
Most of us recall, just a few games back, when NYR got a PP (maybe a 5-3?) when opponent didnt drop his broken stick instantly.
The call was by a rookie ref, a guy whose been my poster boy for NCAA/NHL rights anomalies, jordan samuels-thomas
Drafted by Jets/(Atlanta) franchise in '09, played 2 seasons at Bowling Green, had family reasons to return to CT, sat out a season (dont know if he was enrolled) and played 2 seasons for Q'pac.
In '13 his 'class' graduated but in '14 Jets still had his rights (traded to Buffalo before Aug'15 expiry)
I always recall that extended rights use-case when guys extend their NCAA careers.

 

[nyr2k2]

I dont have your detailed understanding of NCAA rules, vs NHL rights, but exceptional situations catch my attention.
Most of us recall, just a few games back, when NYR got a PP (maybe a 5-3?) when opponent didnt drop his broken stick instantly.
The call was by a rookie ref, a guy whose been my poster boy for NCAA/NHL rights anomalies, jordan samuels-thomas
Drafted by Jets/(Atlanta) franchise in '09, played 2 seasons at Bowling Green, had family reasons to return to CT, sat out a season (dont know if he was enrolled) and played 2 seasons for Q'pac.
In '13 his 'class' graduated but in '14 Jets still had his rights (traded to Buffalo before Aug'15 expiry)
I always recall that extended rights use-case when guys extend their NCAA careers.

Yeah, and there are definitely guys whose rights were held by their drafting team for a fifth year very recently. Jack Gorniak, who played with Miller at Wisconsin for his two seasons, last year was his fourth season and you'd think it would be it for him. But he chose to do a fifth season AND Montreal still maintains his rights. Why? I have no idea.

If the NHL had said "Teams will retain NCAA players' rights an extra year" or something it would be straightforward. But I don't recall that happening, so I just look at the CBA and can't make any sense of it.

I will say, however, the language on NCAA players has always been one of the most confusing sections, for me anyway, in the whole CBA.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I dont have your detailed understanding of NCAA rules, vs NHL rights, but exceptional situations catch my attention.
Most of us recall, just a few games back, when NYR got a PP (maybe a 5-3?) when opponent didnt drop his broken stick instantly.
The call was by a rookie ref, a guy whose been my poster boy for NCAA/NHL rights anomalies, jordan samuels-thomas
Drafted by Jets/(Atlanta) franchise in '09, played 2 seasons at Bowling Green, had family reasons to return to CT, sat out a season (dont know if he was enrolled) and played 2 seasons for Q'pac.
In '13 his 'class' graduated but in '14 Jets still had his rights (traded to Buffalo before Aug'15 expiry)
I always recall that extended rights use-case when guys extend their NCAA careers.

Tyler Nanne is another interesting example.

2014: Drafted by NYR, plays USHL
2015: Moves to NCAA, Ohio State
2016: Moves to Minnesota, sits out an entire year because of it
2017: First year playing NCAA hockey
2018: Second year
2019: Thid year

Summer of 2020, his NHL rights expire 6(!) years after being drafted.

 

[nyr2k2]

Tyler Nanne is another interesting example.

2014: Drafted by NYR, plays USHL
2015: Moves to NCAA, Ohio State
2016: Moves to Minnesota, sits out an entire year because of it
2017: First year playing NCAA hockey
2018: Second year
2019: Thid year

Summer of 2020, his NHL rights expire 6(!) years after being drafted.

Yeah that was a weird one. My assumption with him would be that 2015 basically didn't count and maybe he didn't even take classes--he had myocarditis and that's why he didn't play. So then he transfers to Minnesota, and even though he doesn't play that first year due to transfer rules at the time, that's when he first becomes a bona fide college student in the eyes of the CBA. And then he plays three seasons, at which point his "graduating class" erm, graduates, and his rights finally expire.

I don't know if that is actually how it played out with Nanne. But, at least there, I can come up with a narrative that I can make compatible with the CBA. The thing with holding Kjellberg's rights a whole extra year after this? I just can't make sense of it. Again, it has to be something where the NHL/NHLPA came to an agreement on extra eligiblity with college guys. Or it's something that just isn't written in the CBA.

 

[Leetch3]

 

[Fitzy]

Social media accounts for teams need to go back to the days where we didn’t have to read cringey comments on every update

 

[nyr2k2]

Social media accounts for teams need to go back to the days where we didn’t have to read cringey comments on every update

This x1000. It's the exact reason I came to hate the Carolina Hurricanes.

 

[dshea19]

This x1000. It's the exact reason I came to hate the Carolina Hurricanes.

I live in NC now, so I hate the Hurricanes because their fans are largely arrogant and unknowlegeable at the same time.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Good to see Othmann getting some points/goals again, adjusting to a new team/system always isn’t a perfect transition.

5 goals/7 points in his last 6 games. I see he is playing with full cage as well from when he lost a few teeth last week.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Good to see Othmann getting some points/goals again, adjusting to a new team/system always isn’t a perfect transition.

5 goals/7 points in his last 6 games. I see he is playing with full cage as well from when he lost a few teeth last week.

Ding ding ding ding ding.

Martin St Louis had 0 goals and 3 assists in his first 14 games after being traded to the Rangers. And this was a guy who was a bonafide star who won the Art Ross Trophy (most points in the league) not even 12 months prior.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

So why do some europeans willing to come over and some stay and never come over which is a waste of a draft pick?

They have lives. Sometimes their life might baaaaarely be worth more than an nhl draft pick. So their life and happiness takes priority over the nhl.

 

[nyr2k2]

Sykora has a goal today. That gives him 5-6-11 in his last 10 games, including today.

Picking up an assist on the goal was...Jake f***ing Elmer.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Sykora has a goal today. That gives him 5-6-11 in his last 10 games, including today.

Picking up an assist on the goal was...Jake f***ing Elmer.

Adam Sýkora
Jake Elmer
Brad Morrison
Michael Prapavessis
Reid Duke
Macoy Erkamps

That Nitra team is a who's who of Ranger prospect camp alumni

 

[NYR Viper]

Adam Sýkora
Jake Elmer
Brad Morrison
Michael Prapavessis
Reid Duke
Macoy Erkamps

That Nitra team is a who's who of Ranger prospect camp alumni

Did I completely miss Erkamps? Who is that…

 

[nyr2k2]

Did I completely miss Erkamps? Who is that…

I don't remember Erkamps. The only thing I remember about Prapavessis is the name, LOL.

 

[cwede]

I don't remember Erkamps. The only thing I remember about Prapavessis is the name, LOL.

Don't recall Erkamps either, per EP, not w Nitra any more, now in Allvenskan since ~ 6 weeks ago

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Did I completely miss Erkamps? Who is that…

Erkamps was part of the Rangers prospect camp years ago as an invitee. It was around the same time as Jerret Smith.

 

[dshea19]

Adam Sýkora
Jake Elmer
Brad Morrison
Michael Prapavessis
Reid Duke
Macoy Erkamps

That Nitra team is a who's who of Ranger prospect camp alumni

Brad Morrison - a guy I had a sliver of hope for after he did pretty well after being drafted. Then he disappeared quick. I think he had two good seasons after being drafted and then it seems like everything fell apart.

 

[nyr2k2]

Brad Morrison - a guy I had a sliver of hope for after he did pretty well after being drafted. Then he disappeared quick. I think he had two good seasons after being drafted and then it seems like everything fell apart.

His D+1 and D+2 seasons were super mediocre, he didn't really show any progress year over year. It wasn't until we didn't offer him a deal, and he went back for an OA season and had a crazy playoff run of over 2 PPG, that it seemed like he might have a chance.

He does hold the distinction of being the worst player I can think of who was twice traded straight up for legitimate NHL players--once for Olli Maata and again for Vince Hinostroza.

 

[dshea19]

His D+1 and D+2 seasons were super mediocre, he didn't really show any progress year over year. It wasn't until we didn't offer him a deal, and he went back for an OA season and had a crazy playoff run of over 2 PPG, that it seemed like he might have a chance.

He does hold the distinction of being the worst player I can think of who was twice traded straight up for legitimate NHL players--once for Olli Maata and again for Vince Hinostroza.

62 points in 72 games after he was drafted, at a time the Rangers had basically zero offensive C prospects that I can remember for that time, was vaguely hopeful for me. Those were lean years for prospects, especially at C, and it was easy to hope for more than possible because hope was the only chance they had. With the exception of Chytil finally starting to pay off, the Rangers greatest success in recent history at C had been Stepan. This org has a problem drafting centers