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2022-2023 Around the League Part Deux

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forsbergavs32 said:
I get that it’s difficult because we are all different, but if this is to continue being discussed it needs to stick with being about Provorov and hockey, not personal beliefs and personal attacks for those beliefs.

In short, please stay on the topic of Provorov and hockey.
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This still doesn't explain why my post was deleted in regard to the league's response.

Edit: Saw it was restored, thx!
 
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forsbergavs32 said:
If it gets out of hand I’ll simply nuke the thread and start fresh.
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(In case you're wondering, this will get to a point where I have used every Robocop 2 gif there is, and we all know there are countless Robocop 2 gifs.)
 
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ABasin said:
What do you think are the main differences in arenas now, vs. in the 90s?
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Food quality and diversity, concourse width, bathroom quality, the amount of and size of screens, angles of bowls (this has gotten worse and not better IMO), sight lines… there’s really a ton that has changed. The early 90s was the end of the just needing a building era that quickly transitioned into the needing every amenity possible (maybe even a handy) era.
 
dahrougem2 said:
Who is saying respect isn't being shown? Provorov didn't attack them, didn't chastise them, didn't call them names. He refused to wear a jersey in support of LGBTQ. There is NOTHING wrong with that. Just because he doesn't believe things the way you want him to believe does not make this person a bad person or wrong.

You can say all you want it's about humanity, but religious people don't just give up the things they believe in because others - who may not value religion as much - want them to. It's not that simple.
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The respectful thing would have been to wear the jersey. It doesn't mean anything more when you put these awareness jerseys on than to acknowledge inclusion, basic human rights and respect. In the NHL sphere, it's mostly about inclusion and trying to undo a lot of the ugliness that's permeated a macho, mostly white male sport. People kill themselves over being left out, bullied, teased and ostracized and if you've ever had gay friends, they can tell you lots of things that would make you not want to be too quick to gloss over these things and pretend that this is all in a vacuum. Even small things contribute to intolerant attitudes, and the context of sexual abuse and bullying is important here.

Like I said before, I don't know how devout he is and if this really was a deeply religious stance, and he had the right to do what he did. I know nothing about his off ice life, but in my opinion I'd be surprised if he's living his life in that devout a manner. I'd love to be wrong, because that makes it simpler to understand. There's a recent history in the US of people claiming religious reasons to get out of things they don't want to do. I doubt he put a lot of thought into it, and probably wishes he'd just put the damn jersey on.

And I would never ask you to give up anything you believe in. I'm appealing to your humanity and asking that you think about how these things affect people who aren't you or your religious community. I never said I think he's a bad person. I think he's wrong about this. I think you are wrong about this choice of sexuality idea. It doesn't mean I don't like you or that you have to think what I do. I know what's in my heart, and I'll always fight for it.
 
forsbergavs32 said:
I get that it’s difficult because we are all different, but if this is to continue being discussed it needs to stick with being about Provorov and hockey, not personal beliefs and personal attacks for those beliefs.

In short, please stay on the topic of Provorov and hockey.
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lol your only hope is to shut this one down until everyone forgets about it.
 
Pokecheque said:
I doubt that’s the case. Many have said the arena experience there is fine. It’s more likely the raucous crowd just gets the home team pumped up. They’re a bad team but they have enough pieces that they can pull upsets when the goaltending holds up.

If you want to talk about a joke of an arena I’ve heard Honda Center in Anaheim is a total garbage dump.
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I can't speak to the player experience obviously, but I've always felt that the fan experience at the Honda Center is really underrated. Convenient parking options, decent area, friendly away team atmosphere (as opposed to the assholes at Staples/Crypto) and surprisingly good food on the concourse if you know where to go. Can't beat the pricing, either.
 
The Merchant said:
I can't speak to the player experience obviously, but I've always felt that the fan experience at the Honda Center is really underrated. Convenient parking options, decent area, friendly away team atmosphere (as opposed to the assholes at Staples/Crypto) and surprisingly good food on the concourse if you know where to go. Can't beat the pricing, either.
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I like Honda Center too, mainly because the fans are really cool towards away team fans. I've had people try to fight me in LA and SJ for wearing my Avs gear.
 
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The Merchant said:
Would be fun to go back and review that draft thread to see how many posters were upset that he didn't slide to us at 10. I seem to recall quite a few
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Provorov was my guy at 10. I was very very excited about him.

Obviously hasn’t worked out how they expected, but I’d imagine if he went somewhere else and was the 2D instead of the 1 he’d look a lot better.

forsbergavs32 said:
Probably, but I'm giving a chance
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I’m shocked, I feel like this has been a surprisingly reasonable discussion around the topic.
 
I hope that deangelo gets the same support that provorov got, next month when he decides not to take warmups during black history month, BLM, or anti-racism because it goes against his beliefs.
 
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forsbergavs32 said:
I like Honda Center too, mainly because the fans are really cool towards away team fans. I've had people try to fight me in LA and SJ for wearing my Avs gear.
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Same here. Even the arena employees were belligerent douchebags. I get that's their shtick or whatever to make it feel unwelcoming to the away team and fans, but they're still paying customers. Never again.
 
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Some really good reporting here. Apparently it was the players' idea to wear the jerseys and the organization was given zero heads-up from Provorov about refusing to take warm-ups. Torts and Fletcher let him play anyway.
 
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henchman24 said:
I dig the Arizona 3rds.
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They're growing on me. Kinda funny they announced the "C" on the jersey will be a half moon because I don't believe the Coyotes even have a captain this year.

Color scheme is fantastic though. I actually liked the uniforms they brought in during the Gretzky era. They completely ruined them by incorporating black before just going back to the Kachinas.
 
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