Rumor: 2022-2022 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part 14: Sakic goes back to bed

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Just for shits and giggles and watch people have a heart attack...
Mikko for #2OA and Wood with necessary pieces on either side to make it work. Avs select Slaf and save a good chunk of cap space to get a proper 2C.
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Profit!!!!
 
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Just for shits and giggles and watch people have a heart attack...
Mikko for #2OA and Wood with necessary pieces on either side to make it work. Avs select Slaf and save a good chunk of cap space to get a proper 2C.
.......
Profit!!!!
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Literally everything you said is what Dallas fans said about Nuke.

I know it's a weird concept but when players are put into positions to succeed they actually get better. Puljujarvi fits Bednar's system perfectly, I don't know why you don't think Puljujarvi, who is a better player than NAK/Nichushkin/Burakovsky were at the time of the trade is an exception to this.
Yes, Dallas fans said this, I never did. So it doesn't really affect my opinion. I liked Nuke in his draft year and was pretty shocked when he didn't pan out. His resurgence isn't really surprising to me. I've watched enough of Poolparty to know that the hype begins and ends with his draft position. I don't see him ever being a top 6 player and he's just not a guy that I want in my bottom 6. I know there hasn't been much consistency with coaches in Edmonton but I've never come away from watching him being impressed, or seeing any of this 'high IQ'.

And that goes for Bura too, I was a fan of his before he was in an Avs uni. It's always been obvious that Bura had skills and had a great playoff run with WSH. (admittedly never saw too much of NAK before he came to the Avs but Flyers fans were pretty pissed they waived him). But we are passed the point of low-risk, high-reward reclamation types IMO. That's good for where we were a few years ago as a team on the rise looking to stock the cupboard. But now that we are in win-now mode, I'm not about wasting assets on any more 'maybes', and more into targeting sure things. Like a Manson or a Lehkonen. Guys you know what you're going to get, and paying to get what you want. And like I said if we are looking for a low cost reclamation guy, someone like Svechnikov is a much better target and will cost much less. He's physical and can play with talent. He's much more the Nuke-lite type
people are wanting out of Poolparty, and will succeed more in a system like ours IMO.

If Pulju gets traded here or elsewhere and thrives, I'll happily eat crow. But if you can't produce next to McDavid or Draisaitl and can't be relied upon defensively in the bottom 6, I don't really see it happening anywhere else.
 
Yes, Dallas fans said this, I never did. So it doesn't really affect my opinion. I liked Nuke in his draft year and was pretty shocked when he didn't pan out. His resurgence isn't really surprising to me. I've watched enough of Poolparty to know that the hype begins and ends with his draft position. I don't see him ever being a top 6 player and he's just not a guy that I want in my bottom 6. I know there hasn't been much consistency with coaches in Edmonton but I've never come away from watching him being impressed, or seeing any of this 'high IQ'.

And that goes for Bura too, I was a fan of his before he was in an Avs uni. It's always been obvious that Bura had skills and had a great playoff run with WSH. (admittedly never saw too much of NAK before he came to the Avs but Flyers fans were pretty pissed they waived him). But we are passed the point of low-risk, high-reward reclamation types IMO. That's good for where we were a few years ago as a team on the rise looking to stock the cupboard. But now that we are in win-now mode, I'm not about wasting assets on any more 'maybes', and more into targeting sure things. Like a Manson or a Lehkonen. Guys you know what you're going to get, and paying to get what you want. And like I said if we are looking for a low cost reclamation guy, someone like Svechnikov is a much better target and will cost much less. He's physical and can play with talent. He's much more the Nuke-lite type
people are wanting out of Poolparty, and will succeed more in a system like ours IMO.

If Pulju gets traded here or elsewhere and thrives, I'll happily eat crow. But if you can't produce next to McDavid or Draisaitl and can't be relied upon defensively in the bottom 6, I don't really see it happening anywhere else.
The question is about value. If you can sign someone like Nichushkin at his contract price and get what he brings then that’s incredible value.

Now you say you don’t think Pulju will develop and that’s fair. But if he has that potential and can be had for cheap…

Trust in Sakic, et al. The pro scouting staff has been doing a damn good job.
 
The question is about value. If you can sign someone like Nichushkin at his contract price and get what he brings then that’s incredible value.

Now you say you don’t think Pulju will develop and that’s fair. But if he has that potential and can be had for cheap…

Trust in Sakic, et al. The pro scouting staff has been doing a damn good job.
That's what i'm saying. If that's the type of asset we are looking for, let's spend less and target a guy like Svechnikov who i believe is a much better candidate for this type of role.
 
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Copp is staying in NY. It's likely Strome who's leaving.

I don't think there's a lot of certainty over what NYR is gonna do. Especially if they lose to Tampa. They're not gonna want to come back with the same lineup, they're going to look to upgrade.

They were 16th in goals this year and Copp set his career highs at 21 goals 53 points in his contract year this season. Before that it was 15 goals 39 points and he's had trouble staying healthy in his career. If they can squeeze a guy like Kadri in, I think they would strongly consider it, and let Copp go.

Doesn't matter that they gave up assets for Copp when both he and Kadri would be asset free to sign as UFA's.
 
I don't think there's a lot of certainty over what NYR is gonna do. Especially if they lose to Tampa. They're not gonna want to come back with the same lineup, they're going to look to upgrade.

They were 16th in goals this year and Copp set his career highs at 21 goals 53 points in his contract year this season. Before that it was 15 goals 39 points and he's had trouble staying healthy in his career. If they can squeeze a guy like Kadri in, I think they would strongly consider it, and let Copp go.

Doesn't matter that they gave up assets for Copp when both he and Kadri would be asset free to sign as UFA's.

But Copp has more or less been a perfect fit with them and what they're trying to do, I very much doubt they're going to completely upend the course Drury has them set on.

Strome is likely on his way out, Copp is great for them because he can switch between center and wing and allow for Chytil to develop at his own pace. He may still only be a good 3C but I think there's more there. Also, he seems like a great compliment to Panarin.

It's the Rangers so you never know but I'll be flabbergasted if they let Copp walk.
 
Just for shits and giggles and watch people have a heart attack...
Mikko for #2OA and Wood with necessary pieces on either side to make it work. Avs select Slaf and save a good chunk of cap space to get a proper 2C.
.......
Profit!!!!

Oh it's for shits alright... giggles already left town. :nono:

In all seriousness on the general topic of next year's Kadri replacement, I don't think Sakic needs to move heaven and earth to find a 2C/create cap space for one. As great as Kadri was this year, Colorado was 9-1-0 without him (10-1-0 including Game 4 against Edmonton).

That's not to say Kadri wasn't a big part of the team this year; rather it's to say he (and the 2C position in general) isn't what keeps the Avalanche train on the tracks.
 
Oh it's for shits alright... giggles already left town. :nono:

In all seriousness on the general topic of next year's Kadri replacement, I don't think Sakic needs to move heaven and earth to find a 2C/create cap space for one. As great as Kadri was this year, Colorado was 9-1-0 without him (10-1-0 including Game 4 against Edmonton).

That's not to say Kadri wasn't a big part of the team this year; rather it's to say he (and the 2C position in general) isn't what keeps the Avalanche train on the tracks.
The Avs would get through the regular season fine without Kadri next year. But once you start matching up with the best teams over a 7 game series that deficiency gets multiplied A LOT.
 
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It so weird that we were the team with center depth galore when we sucked (Pauly, Dutchy, ROR, Mack) and now that we are good our center depth kind of sucks. Especially after we lose Kadri. I guess we drafted mostly D in rounds 1 & 2. Jost didn’t pan out. I’m not sure if Newhook ultimately will be a C or wing either.
 
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It so weird that we were the team with center depth galore when we sucked (Pauly, Dutchy, ROR, Mack) and now that we are good our center depth kind of sucks. Especially after we lose Kadri. I guess we drafted mostly D in rounds 1 & 2. Jost didn’t pan out. I’m not sure if Newhook ultimately will be a C or wing either.
That team otherwise sucked. Offense was good.
 
It so weird that we were the team with center depth galore when we sucked (Pauly, Dutchy, ROR, Mack) and now that we are good our center depth kind of sucks. Especially after we lose Kadri. I guess we drafted mostly D in rounds 1 & 2. Jost didn’t pan out. I’m not sure if Newhook ultimately will be a C or wing either.

He’s a wing. Full stop.
 
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what Kadri wants to re-sign? 8M long term? you pay him. it will became almost surely a bad contract down the road? yeah it will. but the Buffalos and Arizonas will always exist in the league, so you dump that contract whenever it becomes necessary, simple as that. no worries. Dallas just had to pay a 7th to get rid of Bishop's 5M contract. garbage dumping fees are low.
 
People talk about Gibson the same way that they were talking about OEL before they realize he is no longer the guy they thought he was.

Here's what Seravalli had to say about him today:

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Spoiler: OEL wasn't "energized" after getting traded to Vancouver.
For what it’s worth OEL was never that good… and Gibson has shown flashes of being able to play up to his standards…. He had a really good start to this season but after team all got Covid and trade deadline he tanked hard . I think there was a 16 game span where Anaheim was being out shot 2:1.

You won’t see many duck fans that think Gibson is the issue, the skill is still obvious… but we’ve also accepted he’s not going to get back nearly as much as we would hope/once thought and we’ll prob have to take a dump back. Just watching highlights…. From an avs and ducks game this year, and it’s basically grade a opportunities for aves, the whole highlight video…. He basically went through that 50+ times this year

I do like the fit of gibson to aves…. But I also understand why teams might want to avoid him too


 
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For what it’s worth OEL was never that good… and Gibson has shown flashes of being able to play up to his standards…. He had a really good start to this season but after team all got Covid and trade deadline he tanked hard . I think there was a 16 game span where Anaheim was being out shot 2:1.

You won’t see many duck fans that think Gibson is the issue, the skill is still obvious… but we’ve also accepted he’s not going to get back nearly as much as we would hope/once thought and we’ll prob have to take a dump back. Just watching highlights…. From an avs and ducks game this year, and it’s basically grade a opportunities for aves, the whole highlight video…. He basically went through that 50+ times this year

I do like the fit of gibson to aves…. But I also understand why teams might want to avoid him too




I'm sure Sakic is kicking tires, but I think it'll depend on the cost of Gibson as well as if goaltending ultimately costs the Avs the cup. Even then, Sakic kind of blew his load at the TDL and we don't have nearly as many intriguing assets.
 
It so weird that we were the team with center depth galore when we sucked (Pauly, Dutchy, ROR, Mack) and now that we are good our center depth kind of sucks. Especially after we lose Kadri. I guess we drafted mostly D in rounds 1 & 2. Jost didn’t pan out. I’m not sure if Newhook ultimately will be a C or wing either.
Avs went out and got 2 centers after trying Newhook all season. He may play center again out of necessity, but the Avs clearly are not planning him to be there.
 
I'm sure Sakic is kicking tires, but I think it'll depend on the cost of Gibson as well as if goaltending ultimately costs the Avs the cup. Even then, Sakic kind of blew his load at the TDL and we don't have nearly as many intriguing assets.
Agreed, and there is still that potential 2c hole for you guys if the team doesn’t want to spend on kadri(which I think will be risky, unless he’s reasonable on his demands). Idk if newhook fills that…. At least not as soon as next year.
 
I'm sure Sakic is kicking tires, but I think it'll depend on the cost of Gibson as well as if goaltending ultimately costs the Avs the cup. Even then, Sakic kind of blew his load at the TDL and we don't have nearly as many intriguing assets.

It wont cost that much to get him though.


I've seen a few Ducks fans say if the Avs offered Newhook + 1st for example, they should take it an run the hell away.

Truthfully I'm not sure if the Avs should do that without something being added with Gibson. There's lots of potential for Gibson to bounce back in a big way which is why teams will be going after him, but there's also a risk that he doesn't and then that becomes a pretty bad contract.


I wonder if the Ducks would do Newhook + 2023 1st for Gibson + 2023 2nd(COL).
 
It wont cost that much to get him though.


I've seen a few Ducks fans say if the Avs offered Newhook + 1st for example, they should take it an run the hell away.

Truthfully I'm not sure if the Avs should do that without something being added with Gibson. There's lots of potential for Gibson to bounce back in a big way which is why teams will be going after him, but there's also a risk that he doesn't and then that becomes a pretty bad contract.


I wonder if the Ducks would do Newhook + 2023 1st for Gibson + 2023 2nd(COL).
1st + Newhook is a fair for Gibson, but at the same time that’s basically all of Colorado’s assets outside of Olausson.

I’d much rather make it a bit bigger deal and try and get Comtois or another young player to help offset the loss of Newhook.
 
1st + Newhook is a fair for Gibson, but at the same time that’s basically all of Colorado’s assets outside of Olausson.

I’d much rather make it a bit bigger deal and try and get Comtois or another young player to help offset the loss of Newhook.

They dont really need Newhook though is the thing. Especially if we dont view him as a Center going forward, we're pretty deep on the Wing already especially if they can keep Nichushkin this summer...

Nuke - Mack - Landy
Lehky - ???? - Mikko

If the Avs bring Nuke back, that Top 6 is pretty well set for a number of years going forward. Especially if you could sign a 2C like Trocheck this summer as well for example, that Top 6 would be here for a long time still.


Or you can always use Girard as a trade chip to shore up the forward group this summer, if the Avs decide he's expendable with Byram staying healthy.
 
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