Prospect Info: 2022 - 1st OA] Juraj Slafkovsky (LW) Part 4

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Insisting that anybody has to watch his Liiga games is the surest sign of boneheaded hockey talk. I've watched his actual NHL games -- he is not NHL ready as of today. This is admitted as fact by even big Slafkovskt believers.

You can claim he is "dipping his toes" but our difference is in description, not definition or fact: The Habs are playing this just-drafted 18 year old on their NHL roster.

Add the two together: A not-NHL ready player is being rushed onto an NHL-roster.

You don't otherwise disagree with me, so you don't need to put up such obnoxious flourishes.
Guaranteed most ”big Slafkovsky believers” think he is ready to play in the NHL. He played in one of the closest levels to the NHl and did well when he played in the Liggas playoff series Finals last season. Everyone is sacrificing their health and body to win.
 
Replace Rem with Hoffman and you have the perfect trio of healthy scratches.

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Monahan - Dach - Evans
Anderson - Dvorak - Gallagher
Pez - Pitlick - Armia
Hoffman, Drouin, Dadonov
Monahan-Suzuki-Caufield
Slafkovsky-Dach-Anderson
Pitlick-Dvorak-Gallagher
Pezzetta-Evans-Armia

I think Dadonov and Hoffman are both better than Pezzetta but I get giving him a game finally, and doing it against a team that is not on fire but may be tempted to try to bully their way back into winning ways.
 
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Monahan-Suzuki-Caufield
Slafkovsky-Dach-Anderson
Pitlick-Dvorak-Gallagher
Pezzetta-Evans-Armia

I would actually prioritize getting Monahan and Dvorak going, and producing, since they're our biggest trade chips at forward, along with Anderson:

Caufield - Suzuki- Dvorak
Monahan - Dach - Slaf
Anderson - Evan's - Gallagher
Pez - Pitlick - Armia
 
Insisting that anybody has to watch his Liiga games is the surest sign of boneheaded hockey talk. I've watched his actual NHL games -- he is not NHL ready as of today. This is admitted as fact by even big Slafkovskt believers.

You can claim he is "dipping his toes" but our difference is in description, not definition or fact: The Habs are playing this just-drafted 18 year old on their NHL roster.

Add the two together: A not-NHL ready player is being rushed onto an NHL-roster.

You don't otherwise disagree with me, so you don't need to put up such obnoxious flourishes.


1) You think he would, I think he'd struggle. Putting up points in Europe won't suddenly come easier to him when (in my opinion) his hockey IQ is below where it should be. Against top-tier defences he'd look worse but against normal Europe he'd still have to deal with point-less nights and frustrations... he isn't that much better than any other player when he's on the ice.

2) Interesting analysis. Should look into it more and present a case


I'm an Expat Montrealer, living/working/raising kids abroad.

People who've seen TPS also said he was very raw. I don't need to count about his time with TPS at all any more, I can point to his NHL games and see the same things.
I've seen Slaf's NHL games. He has not been dominating of course, but he has generated chances. We have four wingers better than him, and that includes Monahan. The three expensive floaters and Pitlick have generated virtually nothing. Pezzetta is 14th F material. Armia has not played yet, but got just 6 goals all last year.

At this moment, Slaf still deserves to be here. I don't expect miracles, I don't expect domination, I don't project him as a franchise player but rather a top-6 scoring winger with size. I'm not super-invested in him like some are because they prayed for a last-place finish in order to get a saviour, and got the first overall pick only for reality to hit them between the eyes.

I'm pretty chill about all this, was not anxious because he was injured and missed 3 games. There are six other youngsters I can watch every game night and try to enjoy their progress.

I would actually prioritize getting Monahan and Dvorak going, and producing, since they're our biggest trade chips at forward, along with Anderson:

Caufield - Suzuki- Dvorak
Monahan - Dach - Slaf
Anderson - Evan's - Gallagher
Pez - Pitlick - Armia
Pitlick is a lousy center, so I would look for other ways to get Dvorak going, maybe put Monahan with him?
 
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I would actually prioritize getting Monahan and Dvorak going, and producing, since they're our biggest trade chips at forward, along with Anderson:

Caufield - Suzuki- Dvorak
Monahan - Dach - Slaf
Anderson - Evan's - Gallagher
Pez - Pitlick - Armia
Hoffman - Suzuki- Caufield
Slaf - Dach - Anderson
Monahan - Dvorak - Gallagher
Pitlick - Evans- Armia

This puts some dangerous players on three different lines. Harder for the home team to match up than if we load up Suzuki's line.
 
I don't mind losing a pick and a prospect for a chance to move Gallagher, but it all happens at least after the 2023 draft, if not the 2024 draft, once we've stocked the cupboards some more and when the impact of losing such futures is lessened because of the depth in the system already.

At that point, cap space will be more important than more futures, with Slafkovsky, Guhle and Harris, amongst others, needing to he re-signed one after the other.
True it has to be done within the next 3 years though. Moving Anderson would be easy but he's also more useful to have on the team. In a perfect world, Habs trade both before their 2023 draftee becomes an rfa
 
Is Slafkovsky’s going to play?


The disgruntled runt is out! Good! MSL is playing big having three vets eating hot dogs.

Replace Rem with Hoffman and you have the perfect trio of healthy scratches.

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Monahan - Dach - Evans
Anderson - Dvorak - Gallagher
Pez - Pitlick - Armia
Hoffman, Drouin, Dadonov
Hoffman sucks but Pitlick is nothing.
 
People who think the kid is NHL ready are sharing their opinion

but...

people who think he's not NHL ready are not sharing their opinion, they are stating purely objective facts, and they are actual facts because it it comes from them, the ones who know better, the smarter ones, the top scouts, la crème de la crème.

Thank god for those geniuses, without whom, us Pejorative Slurs, we'd be stuck here sharing opinions with other Pejorative Slurs who are just sharing their opinion.
Pejorative Slurkovsky
 
Monahan-Suzuki-Caufield
Slafkovsky-Dach-Anderson
Pitlick-Dvorak-Gallagher
Pezzetta-Evans-Armia

I think Dadonov and Hoffman are both better than Pezzetta but I get giving him a game finally, and doing it against a team that is not on fire but may be tempted to try to bully their way back into winning ways.
You keep putting Caufield on the right wing but it's clear that he's a left-wing under MSL.
 
You can claim he is "dipping his toes" but our difference is in description, not definition or fact: The Habs are playing this just-drafted 18 year old on their NHL roster.
I'd call it a difference in definition as well. This year's scenario is Montreal playing an 18 year old who isn't physically overmatched in the NHL, during a season with no pressure to win games, and with a deliberate and publicly communicated plan to ease him into the NHL + small ice without micromanaging a million defensive positioning nuances. That is a very different situation than a veteran hardass coach begrudgingly having to use a young player on a team that's trying to make the playoffs and stapling that young player to the 4th line as a punishment while screaming about defensive coverage mistakes and ripping them in the media.

The descriptive context around why and how a young player is used in the NHL (and physical readiness of course) matters a lot when considering the risk factors around a player being rushed. If he isn't clicking and earning a bigger role after the 9 games are up then I do expect them to send him down (although I don't really care if they give him 10-15 games instead, the ELC minmax stuff is unimportant IMO) but I don't have any issue with his usage thus far. He's not physically overwhelmed, he's learning at the NHL level, and there's enough positive moments for coaches to build on and instill confidence.
Add the two together: A not-NHL ready player is being rushed onto an NHL-roster.
Eh, I think whether or not he's been NHL calibre is up for debate at the moment. I'm not arguing he's setting the world on fire but I think in his worst games he's still been a playable NHL 4th line forward, and at the very least among our top 12 forwards (personally it's hard for me to put him below 7 or 8 on our F depth chart right now). I get it, your view is that he should still be in Europe or in the AHL if they want him playing on small ice and that he should stay there until he has a big year offensively. That's a reasonable development path and I would have no issue with him being sent to the AHL tomorrow morning, but I don't think it's a binary choice between Europe/AHL or rushing a player.

The danger of rushing a player is when the coach incentivizes the player to dumb their game down to avoid getting benched by being as risk-averse as possible. That just isn't what's happening with this coach and during this season. They're scratching two established NHL veteran forwards making a combined $10.5M tonight to make room for Pezzetta and Slafkovsky, and they've kept him in the lineup despite a lot of lost puppy moments in the defensive zone so far. He's learning and improving in each game, and the young players on this team are getting the leash to make mistakes and learn in the NHL.
 
He's getting better every game. He brings such an interesting package. He's a good passer, scorer and dangler, all at 6'3" 230lbs. The potential is tantalizing, it's just really hard to get a read of where he ends up. I could just as well see him plateau as become a star.
 
He's getting better every game. He brings such an interesting package. He's a good passer, scorer and dangler, all at 6'3" 230lbs. The potential is tantalizing, it's just really hard to get a read of where he ends up. I could just as well see him plateau as become a star.

He is a beauty to watch. He have mature game at defensive zone too... he isn't bad at all on defensive side. This guy is going to be a very very solid player in this league, no doubt. He got all tools... like Caufield and Suzuki, he is a special talent.
 
I'd call it a difference in definition as well. This year's scenario is Montreal playing an 18 year old who isn't physically overmatched in the NHL, during a season with no pressure to win games, and with a deliberate and publicly communicated plan to ease him into the NHL + small ice without micromanaging a million defensive positioning nuances. That is a very different situation than a veteran hardass coach begrudgingly having to use a young player on a team that's trying to make the playoffs and stapling that young player to the 4th line as a punishment while screaming about defensive coverage mistakes and ripping them in the media.

The descriptive context around why and how a young player is used in the NHL (and physical readiness of course) matters a lot when considering the risk factors around a player being rushed. If he isn't clicking and earning a bigger role after the 9 games are up then I do expect them to send him down (although I don't really care if they give him 10-15 games instead, the ELC minmax stuff is unimportant IMO) but I don't have any issue with his usage thus far. He's not physically overwhelmed, he's learning at the NHL level, and there's enough positive moments for coaches to build on and instill confidence.

Eh, I think whether or not he's been NHL calibre is up for debate at the moment. I'm not arguing he's setting the world on fire but I think in his worst games he's still been a playable NHL 4th line forward, and at the very least among our top 12 forwards (personally it's hard for me to put him below 7 or 8 on our F depth chart right now). I get it, your view is that he should still be in Europe or in the AHL if they want him playing on small ice and that he should stay there until he has a big year offensively. That's a reasonable development path and I would have no issue with him being sent to the AHL tomorrow morning, but I don't think it's a binary choice between Europe/AHL or rushing a player.

The danger of rushing a player is when the coach incentivizes the player to dumb their game down to avoid getting benched by being as risk-averse as possible. That just isn't what's happening with this coach and during this season. They're scratching two established NHL veteran forwards making a combined $10.5M tonight to make room for Pezzetta and Slafkovsky, and they've kept him in the lineup despite a lot of lost puppy moments in the defensive zone so far. He's learning and improving in each game, and the young players on this team are getting the leash to make mistakes and learn in the NHL.
Excellent post.

I've seen Slaf's NHL games. He has not been dominating of course, but he has generated chances. We have four wingers better than him, and that includes Monahan. The three expensive floaters and Pitlick have generated virtually nothing. Pezzetta is 14th F material. Armia has not played yet, but got just 6 goals all last year.

At this moment, Slaf still deserves to be here. I don't expect miracles, I don't expect domination, I don't project him as a franchise player but rather a top-6 scoring winger with size. I'm not super-invested in him like some are because they prayed for a last-place finish in order to get a saviour, and got the first overall pick only for reality to hit them between the eyes.

I'm pretty chill about all this, was not anxious because he was injured and missed 3 games. There are six other youngsters I can watch every game night and try to enjoy their progress.


Pitlick is a lousy center, so I would look for other ways to get Dvorak going, maybe put Monahan with him?

Slafkovsky easily projects as a first liner imo. No saviour of course, but a great 1LW.
 
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