2021 Roster Thread XIX - Who's In Net

[LegionOfDoom91]

It's also Meltzer who seems to be completely clueless these days

I don’t think that would actually be the price unless Chuck is dumber than I think but more so just laughing at Meltzer. That’s a straight Peter Chiarelli trade.

 

[CutOnDime97]

I don’t think that would actually be the price unless Chuck is dumber than I think but more so just laughing at Meltzer. That’s a straight Peter Chiarelli trade.

Maybe I'm just misremembering but I thought he used to be alright. Not sure what happened but he's been unbearable the last few years. Had to click the unfollow button

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sanheim or Myers

Or maybe they can pick between Couturier and Patrick.

Quite a value range Bill set up there

 

[CutOnDime97]

Or maybe they can pick between Couturier and Patrick.

Many people on this board say Nolan Patrick is an elite player

 

[Ghosts Beer]

We should get the goalie from the team that swept Tampa and sign him to a fat ass contract.

Weeeeeee

The question was asked. I answered it twice. You seem quite sensitive to giving Jones credit for anything.

 

[BernieParent]

Unfortunately this is as likely as the Moon audibly farting

Would it count if the cow did what cows do right at the apex of its lunar leap?

Edit: "Goodnight, Methane" was right there and I completely missed it. Darn this dementia!

 

[Tripod]

Did we trade for Jones yet? Risto? Zads?

No?

Ok...will check back tomorrow

 

[CutOnDime97]

The question was asked. I answered it twice. You seem quite sensitive to giving Jones credit for anything.

Not really, I just don't want to give up what it's gonna take to trade for him and give him the contract that he will get. That's all I've said.

 

[wankstifier]

Provorov should be shopped hard if that Meltzer package is grounded in any sort of reality.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Would it count if the cow did what cows do right at the apex of its lunar leap?

That's the likelihood of any of us living to see a Cup.

Maybe our offspring will still be alive when team president Goulbourne, along with GM Jeffrey Hextall, guide the team back to a Finals loss.

 

[Tripod]

Provorov should be shopped hard if that Meltzer package is grounded in any sort of reality.

It's scary....that Bill M possibly has "insight".

 

[Striiker]

That's a weird metric.

Can we get WoTBi2019 adjusted per 60 minutes?

We should get the goalie from the team that swept Tampa and sign him to a fat ass contract.

Weeeeeee

As far as the BJs sweep of the Lightning goes...

Jones actually only led the team in icetime in one of the four games. In the other three it was Savard twice and Werenski once.

And in all four games Jones was paired with Werenski for the entire time, who is clearly their best defensemen and more qualified to be called the BJs #1 than Jones.

So even if we pretend that being the "#1" of the team that beat the team that won the cup the next year was a valid way to determine quality of a player, it doesn't even apply here.

 

[TB87]

I mean... C'mon.

That's an Eichel package not a Seth Jones package.

What kills me is the end: “Plus something else.”

This is a video game trade proposal where one team makes out like bandits and the other gets royally hosed.

 

[deadhead]

Time for Bill to find something else to do with himself.

Farabee > Jones.

Jones is a top 4 D-man, he's a marginal 1st pair guy, he has little upside at this point (at 26, with 8 years experience, what you see is probably all you're gonna get), he might be a minor upgrade over Sanheim. He's not Pietrangelo, he's not even Carlsson, certainly not in the same class as Hedman. Hedman signed a 8yr/$63M in 2017-18, at 26 years old.

Norris: no votes in 2020-21, 14th in 2019-20, 9th in 2018-19, 4th in 2017-18, 18th in 2016-17
So basically there was a two year period where he was hyped as a top ten D-man, but that was 3 years ago, no one sees him as one today.
He's flatlined, and there's no reason to expect some huge rebound.

CBJ is going to lose him after this season, they can't play hardball, and conditional picks predicted on Jones signing an extension are no longer permitted.

 

[Striiker]

It's scary to think that Meltzer really believes he's worth that much.
It's even scarier to think he's predicting what Fletcher would be willing to give up.

Both are stupid as f*** and we're completely screwed.

 

[wankstifier]

It's scary....that Bill M possibly has "insight".

I guess Fletcher’s group could have loose lips. Not sure why someone like Meltzer would be getting any hints about trade talks, though

 

[Adam Warlock]

Im more open to getting Jones than most on here...but that package is ridiculous. Very few players I would give that much up for....definitely not Jones.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Needs a little photoshop.

strait to the depths of davey jones locker with him.

 

[deadhead]

One thing I've noticed is a lot of people simply ignore the implications of a flat cap.

You're gonna see a bunch of teams, especially playoff teams, shedding salary this offseason, because they signed contracts before COVID that they can't afford to carry the next few years. That will mean bargains galore out there, and also limited destinations for players with big cap hits.

FAs are going to find it rough going if they expect to get the same deals they would have received in the summer of 2019, when GMs expected the Cap to rise 20+% over a 7 year contract, so they weren't as worried about the out years. Now they're expecting a flat cap for 2-3 more years, then a slow increase of 1-2% for a couple more years (until the money "fronted" to the players the last two seasons is paid back).

My expectation are that top contracts will be 5-10% less than 2019, second tier guys will get 10-20% less, and third tier guys will be squeezed by younger, cheaper players.

This also means that players like Farabee who are cost controlled and already playing at a high level have tremendous value.
Players like Voracek may have negative value.
So moving expensive veterans will require matching contracts or paying a third party to retain some salary.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Horrendous

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Please make Chris Pronger our GM

I'm confident he'll be amazing

I second this motion I've been wanting him and briere to be big parts of our organization

 

[Tripod]

One thing I've noticed is a lot of people simply ignore the implications of a flat cap.

You're gonna see a bunch of teams, especially playoff teams, shedding salary this offseason, because they signed contracts before COVID that they can't afford to carry the next few years. That will mean bargains galore out there, and also limited destinations for players with big cap hits.

FAs are going to find it rough going if they expect to get the same deals they would have received in the summer of 2019, when GMs expected the Cap to rise 20+% over a 7 year contract, so they weren't as worried about the out years. Now they're expecting a flat cap for 2-3 more years, then a slow increase of 1-2% for a couple more years (until the money "fronted" to the players the last two seasons is paid back).

My expectation are that top contracts will be 5-10% less than 2019, second tier guys will get 10-20% less, and third tier guys will be squeezed by younger, cheaper players.

This also means that players like Farabee who are cost controlled and already playing at a high level have tremendous value.
Players like Voracek may have negative value.
So moving expensive veterans will require matching contracts or paying a third party to retain some salary.

or maybe you just keep your top point getter for the year

 

[mize370]

Sheesh Metzler. Why not just offer that package for a McAvoy or Chabot or some other good young D instead and see what happens.

 

[DancingPanther]

Meltzer with another banger I see. What a stunad

 

[Striiker]

Sheesh Metzler. Why not just offer that package for a McAvoy or Chabot or some other good young D instead and see what happens.

That’s what he thinks he’s doing. He sees Jones on that level because he’s a stereotypical HockeyGuy.