2021 Roster Thread XIX - Who's In Net

[FLYguy3911]

Damn. Bill should post here.

I mean... C'mon.

That's an Eichel package not a Seth Jones package.

Honestly thought that's what it was. If you give up that much for one year of Jones, you should be fired on the spot. That's not even a realistic offer.

 

[deadhead]

or maybe you just keep your top point getter for the year

But if he's on the 3rd line, and you need a 1B goalie and a RHD, something's got to give.

 

[captainpaxil]

or maybe you just keep your top point getter for the year

With repeated mentions of getting a dman with experience I can see voracek being moved for a name defenseman. I don't know that the move needs to pay as much on ice value as much as catch casual fans. Someone like oel or doughty

 

[trostol]

So sad..Bill used to be really good

 

[Tripod]

But if he's on the 3rd line, and you need a 1B goalie and a RHD, something's got to give.

Maybe you make an actual hockey trade then fir the RHD.

The 1B goalie....maybe you trade Laughton and use his 3 million for that spot.

There are things that make more sense than "wishing" away 60 point players.

But I am done for the evening.

 

[flyers0909]

Seth Jones was the #1 defenseman for the last team to beat Tampa Bay in the playoffs. Swept them, in fact.

Also the #1 D for the team that beat fancy-stat Toronto in last year’s playoffs.

Also the #1 D for a 108 point team at age 22.

#1 D on a WJC Gold medal winner.

4-time all-star.

Only 26 years old.

GB I usually disagree with you and I think I do here (in thinking Jones is a #1D, I think he's somewhere in between eyes/metrics), but none of these talk to his abilities/skills. He certainly has a pedigree but all the of the complaints against him are his decline. Most of the stuff you mentioned are team accolades or personal ones 4+ years ago. Are you not worried about the perceived decline and on top of that needing to trade legit assets for him and tie up a lot of cap space for the next 5+ years?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

GB I usually disagree with you and I think I do here (in thinking Jones is a #1D, I think he's somewhere in between eyes/metrics), but none of these talk to his abilities/skills. He certainly has a pedigree but all the of the complaints against him are his decline. Most of the stuff you mentioned are team accolades or personal ones 4+ years ago. Are you not worried about the perceived decline and on top of that needing to trade legit assets for him and tie up a lot of cap space for the next 5+ years?

It was a response to the sarcastic question of “what has Columbus accomplished with Jones as its #1?” The second time I answered it I threw in some personal accomplishments for good measure.

 

[TheKingPin]

Facebook “rumor” of

Farabee + Myers + 1st

That would be a hell of a start for Eichel. I would trade a 2nd for Jones.

 

[flyers0909]

It was a response to the sarcastic question of “what has Columbus accomplished with Jones as its #1?” The second time I answered it I threw in some personal accomplishments for good measure.

My bad, didnt read what you were quoting, was just responding to the post.

 

[CutOnDime97]

My bad, didnt read what you were quoting, was just responding to the post.

2nd part of your post was still legitimate and should be answered by anyone that wants Jones

 

[Rebels57]

I don't want anyone with ties to this organization in any future major role. No one who trained under Homer, played for the team, or has some old chummy connection to so-and-so.

But Briere hates Therrien. Don't you see the significance of that?

 

[Rebels57]

Facebook “rumor” of

Farabee + Myers + 1st

That would be a hell of a start for Eichel. I would trade a 2nd for Jones.

That rumor was birthed from the grotesque womb of Meltzers delusional imagination.

 

[bobbythebrain]

That rumor was birthed from the grotesque womb of Meltzers delusional imagination.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Lots of compelling arguments made today. Wins, time on ice, Jack Adamses, and even WJC time on ice. Groundbreaking stuff going on here.

 

[The Madrigal]

Seth Jones was the #1 defenseman for the last team to beat Tampa Bay in the playoffs. Swept them, in fact.

Also the #1 D for the team that beat fancy-stat Toronto in last year’s playoffs.

Also the #1 D for a 108 point team at age 22.

#1 D on a WJC Gold medal winner.

4-time all-star.

Only 26 years old.

Facts don't count, neither does John Tortorella's opinion. Only advanced stats and some dude's opinion on a message board who thinks he knows more about hockey than NHL coaches and GM's.

 

[The Madrigal]

So now Bill Meltzer is getting crushed, a guy who knows more about hockey than most of the people on this board combined. The bar just keeps getting raised.

 

[Striiker]

I wonder if Tortorella or Meltzer thought Cantscorier was a 2C...

 

[CutOnDime97]

So now Bill Meltzer is getting crushed, a guy who knows more about hockey than most of the people on this board combined. The bar just keeps getting raised.

Sorry bro... didn't realize this was a safe space. We won't criticize Bill Meltzer anymore

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

So now Bill Meltzer is getting crushed, a guy who knows more about hockey than most of the people on this board combined. The bar just keeps getting raised.

Wat.

 

[CutOnDime97]

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Wat.

It's literally a parody account. 70% sure.

 

[Striiker]

The unbelievable irony of claiming to be a free thinker, above the hivemind of the masses, while also refusing to accept that anything the coaches, GMs, and media tells you can be wrong.

 

[The Madrigal]

You're melting down.

You turned to how much Tortorella uses Jones as proof that Jones is higher quality than he is. When this was debunked as reliable proof of quality, you began this ongoing tantrum where you try to gaslight the forum into believing you didn't spend your day arguing the very thing you argued while painting yourself as some victim of a trap laid by me.

Truly bizarre. We are obviously done here since all you've got left is this.

You are wrong, acting delusional, lying, and continue to run away from being challenged to disprove your lie with a quote from me.

Since you aren't man enough to step up and back up your words, I will spell it out for you yet again. I said using common sense Tortorella obviously thought Jones was his best defenseman or he wouldn't have consistently given him the most ice time. I also said Torts deserves the benefit of the doubt with his resume, as opposed to some guy on a sports message board. I made it very clear it doesn't mean Torts was right or wrong though.

At absolutely no point in time did I say or imply that ''ice time proves quality.'' That didn't stop you from going to the strawman in a very weak attempt to win some imaginary argument you created. Then you doubled down a couple of times projecting your BS onto me when I called you out. Here is my exact quote in it's entirety from post 67 in this thread.

''As for Jones, if Torts thought Werenski and Savard were better, he wouldn't have played Jones more, that's just common sense. Doesn't mean he's right or wrong but that's clearly what he thought and he's been a very good and successful coach in this league for many years.''​

Now that the facts are all laid out and your lie is exposed, now we are done.

 

[DancingPanther]

Are people actually white knighting Bill Meltzer?

I need a drink

 

[Lindberg]

The unbelievable irony of claiming to be a free thinker, above the hivemind of the masses, while also refusing to accept that anything the coaches, GMs, and media tells you can be wrong.

If AV came out and said MacDonald was a #1 during his Flyers tenure some people would take it as fact.

 

[Lindberg]

Are people actually white knighting Bill Meltzer?

I need a drink

I've stopped coming into this thread unless I'm drunk.