2021 Roster Thread XIX - Who's In Net

[Ghosts Beer]

An ''average at best coach'' who has
-673 career wins
-12 playoffs appearances
-Won a Stanley cup
-Has won the Jack Adams award twice

First of all, nobody said coaches don't make mistakes or that ice time is the end all be all so you can stop with your typical strawman. It is absolutely a factor though considering the best players typically get the most minutes, especially on defense. Tortorella's resume gives him the benefit of the doubt period. Of course you are the guy who quite consistently implies or even outright says that he knows more about hockey the majority of GM's and coaches around the league so I shouldn't be surprised.

In a nutshell though, the metrics that you decide are important mean everything and are ''proof','' and the ones you decide aren't important are irrelevant. That is your logic. It almost sounds like you are cherry picking what to give validity to and what to trash based on how it suits your own personal agenda. Funny how that works.

Bingo.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Any team president is probably coming from some small internal circle, so I'll float Barber or Holmgren.

It doesn’t even need to be a genius, which obviously you’d like to see.

The NHL does very much stay in its box so my dreams do have to be met with some realism. Scott to me has demonstrated that he doesn’t really know what it’s time to step in. Even a moron “hockey guy” however would have likely canned AV and his crew after this season.

It doesn’t matter if it was Moses back there, you can’t get embarrassed as an organization as they did, see such regression and just stay the course.

I think Scott is understanding he needs to have more oversight into things, but he’s out of his depth - and I’ll take even a half idiot to do the job he should be doing.

 

[deadhead]

AV will get this season for a number of reasons, last year was a Clusterf---k, that happens in sports and life, the season before he got a team that had underachieved the previous season to play at a 106 point pace and make it to the 7th game of the second round of the playoffs, the best performance by a Flyer team for a decade. So yeah, he earned his mulligan. But it's put up or file for a change of address.

I'm taking a wait and see attitude toward this offseason.
Fletcher doesn't have to win trades, he has enough surplus talent that he can lose trades if he improves the talent at the top of the roster.

I'm not concerned with losing Voracek, JVR or Ghost, Voracek has been a meh playoff performer and the other two are subpar in the post-season - and in the NHL, you build a team for May, not October.

I am concerned with overpaying for second tier talent, especially with the flat cap.
I don't want Eichel b/c we are neither desperate or "rich enough" (TB with Stamkos and his injuries) to gamble on him and his neck.
I do want a 1B goalie, physical RHD and a fast, forechecking forward. We need a third line that can fly and a fourth line that can pressure top opposing lines.

I don't want to lose the top young players, Farabee, TK, Allison, Frost, Foerster, Wisdom, Lindblom, Provorov, Sanheim, Myers, York, Zamula.
You can build around that core, and the only reason you trade one is in a package for a better cost controlled young player 25 or under.
Cost-control is key, because the cap will be flat the next few years.

Guys like Laczynski, NAK, Patrick, Bunnaman, Hogberg, Hagg are expendable, given the organizational depth.
So are draft picks, though I want a big return for #13.

 

[Rebels57]

Any team president is probably coming from some small internal circle, so I'll float Barber or Holmgren.

Gimme the entire Legion of Doom as joint Presidents. f*** it.

 

[Mayo Masseuse]

Jason Myrtetus
@jasonmyrt
Keep seeing some saying Seth Jones is not a top pair D. Granted it is on this website. If you don't believe he is a top pair D Man, you do not share that thinking with a single professional hockey evaluator. He is not Hedman or Doughty at his best. but he is a top pair D. STOP!!!

As previously stated lets have this convo, no trolling.

Do you think Seth Jones will ever become a top pairing D?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

What exactly has Columbus done with Jones as their ice time leader, looks like mediocre results to me. Exactly what you've complained about with certain players on the Flyers. The hypocrisy is laughable.

Zing....

 

[Striiker]

What an incredibly stupid individual.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

would you rather have jones at 8 or hayes at 7? you cant say neither...

Jones at eleventy billion dollars

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

As previously stated lets have this convo, no trolling.

Do you think Seth Jones will ever become a top pairing D?

I mean he could in the right situation with better players around him and better coaching. I would lean twords no more than yes but I would not say there is zero chance

 

[Redpath]

Even if a new team President is from the old boy's club, at least it is someone how has an iota of hockey knowledge that can hold Fletcher/any GM accountable. I sooner trust a retread than Dave Scott.

Shanahan saw the Toronto Maple Leafs leave the stone age despite never having any affiliation with them. Not sure who the candidates would be but even if the Flyers brand is currently damaged I have zero doubts that it'd be a very desirable job to be President of a once elite organization that guys would line up for.

 

[Rebels57]

Even if a new team President is from the old boy's club, at least it is someone how has an iota of hockey knowledge that can hold Fletcher/any GM accountable. I sooner trust a retread than Dave Scott.

Shanahan saw the Toronto Maple Leafs leave the stone age despite never having any affiliation with them. Not sure who the candidates would be but even if the Flyers brand is currently damaged I have zero doubts that it'd be a very desirable job to be President of a once elite organization that guys would line up for.

 

[CutOnDime97]

What exactly has Columbus done with Jones as their ice time leader, looks like mediocre results to me. Exactly what you've complained about with certain players on the Flyers. The hypocrisy is laughable.

Yes. Same as what Chuck Fletcher did with the Wild and has done the Flyers so far.

Guy doesn't want to get out of mediocrity, he just wants to argue online.

 

[Magua]

I don't want anyone with ties to this organization in any future major role. No one who trained under Homer, played for the team, or has some old chummy connection to so-and-so.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Seth Jones was the #1 defenseman for the last team to beat Tampa Bay in the playoffs. Swept them, in fact.

Also the #1 D for the team that beat fancy-stat Toronto in last year’s playoffs.

Also the #1 D for a 108 point team at age 22.

#1 D on a WJC Gold medal winner.

4-time all-star.

Only 26 years old.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don't want anyone with ties to this organization in any future major role. No one who trained under Homer, played for the team, or has some old chummy connection to so-and-so.

Unfortunately this is as likely as the Moon audibly farting

 

[Beef Invictus]

Seth Jones was the #1 defenseman for the last team to beat Tampa Bay in the playoffs. Swept them, in fact.

Also the #1 D for the team that beat fancy-stat Toronto in last year’s playoffs.

Also the #1 D for a 108 point team at age 22.

#1 D on a WJC Gold medal winner.

4-time all-star.

Only 26 years old.

That's a weird metric.

Can we get WoTBi2019 adjusted per 60 minutes?

 

[CutOnDime97]

Seth Jones was the #1 defenseman for the last team to beat Tampa Bay in the playoffs. Swept them, in fact.

Also the #1 D for the team that beat fancy-stat Toronto in last year’s playoffs.

Also the #1 D for a 108 point team at age 22.

#1 D on a WJC Gold medal winner.

4-time all-star.

Only 26 years old.

We should get the goalie from the team that swept Tampa and sign him to a fat ass contract.

Weeeeeee

 

[BernieParent]

I don't want anyone with ties to this organization in any future major role. No one who trained under Homer, played for the team, or has some old chummy connection to so-and-so.

Pronger? Timonen? Desjardins? I wouldn't rule out everyone who wore the O&B. The Clarke-Holmgren satellites should be eschewed, though.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

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Imagine when this guy hits puberty

Unstoppable

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Please make Chris Pronger our GM

I'm confident he'll be amazing

 

[Beef Invictus]

We should get the goalie from the team that swept Tampa and sign him to a fat ass contract.

Weeeeeee

He was the goalie who last beat Tampa Bay so he must be worth that elite money

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[CutOnDime97]

I mean... C'mon.

That's an Eichel package not a Seth Jones package.

 

[CutOnDime97]

It's also Meltzer who seems to be completely clueless these days

 

[wankstifier]

Sanheim or Myers