Rumor: 2021-22 Trade Rumors and FA Part V: To Giroux or not to Giroux

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

yeah? And what do they say about Mark Stone?

There's a Vegas clause, don't worry about it.

 

[SaltySkywalker]

There's a Vegas clause, don't worry about it.

Ahhh, like The Santa Clause 2.

 

[henchman21]

yeah? And what do they say about Mark Stone?

The big difference is the Avs have repeatedly said Byram is cleared... where Stone is having back issues. Avs could have easily kept Byram on IR with symptoms, but they didn't. Now the impetus would be that symptoms are back. That said, Avs could figure it out if they wanted.

 

[SaltySkywalker]

The big difference is the Avs have repeatedly said Byram is cleared... where Stone is having back issues. Avs could have easily kept Byram on IR with symptoms, but they didn't. Now the impetus would be that symptoms are back. That said, Avs could figure it out if they wanted.

My comment is less about Byram as it is about Stone. The point is the whole system is kind of a joke and every rule seems to be bent, twisted, and out-maneuvered without any pushback (probably a touch dramatic).

Sakic is just your typical nice guy.

 

[Ararana]

If Byram was making 9.5 million like Stone you can bet your ass the Avs would have found a way to LTIR him.

I think we're making too big of a deal about Byram's 894k cap space. If the Avs want a big name player coming in they're going to have to find someone to retain cap either way.

 

[The Abusement Park]

yeah? And what do they say about Mark Stone?

His back has a boo boo :/

 

[shadow1]

I don't think this is a hot take, but I think there's a very good chance Ryan Murray is traded at the deadline.

He's rarely played - both in terms of games (23) and ice time (14:07) - and has been below average (sometimes brutal) most of the season. I thought his contract ($2M) was going to be a bargain, but it's one of the worst on the team in retrospect; Murray would definitely be in the press box most nights if Bowen Byram was healthy.

Even if there was a massive wave of defensive injuries in the playoffs, I think Bednar would spread the minutes (and give sizable roles to Justin Barron and Jacob MacDonald) before we'd ever see Murray playing 20+ minutes a night. In other words, I don't really see him as an insurance option; just as a third pairing defenseman who's already struggling with sheltered minutes.

We'll see what happens, but if Colorado trades for a defenseman, dollars to donuts Murray is going the other way as a cap casualty.

 

[Balthazar]

Murray never played on the right side in the NHL before and now he's asked to play on the right next to JJ. Add to that a lot of missed games/rust/timing issues....Not exactly a recipe for success.

 

[Balthazar]

I still think that if Murray is on your 3rd pairing that's damn good.

Now if we could get a damn RD to play with him on the 3rd pair and push down JJ as the 7th D...

Also EJ has regressed quite a bit after a good first month. The right side of that defense is a weakness.

 

[AvsGuy]

I'm all for throwing Ryan Murray into a trade, can't remember a less impactful player in either direction for the Avs in ages

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

When is the last time the Avs signed a UFA and then traded him at the deadline? Not saying it couldn't happen, but I'd put that possibility at <%1

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[hockeyfish]

I'm all for throwing Ryan Murray into a trade, can't remember a less impactful player in either direction for the Avs in ages

That isn't exactly the worst thing for a 3rd pairing defender.

 

[The Moops]

Maybe something about how if you were LTIR at the end of the regular season you're not allowed to play in round 1 at all?

 

[shadow1]

Murray never played on the right side in the NHL before and now he's asked to play on the right next to JJ. Add to that a lot of missed games/rust/timing issues....Not exactly a recipe for success.

I still think that if Murray is on your 3rd pairing that's damn good.

Now if we could get a damn RD to play with him on the 3rd pair and push down JJ as the 7th D...

Also EJ has regressed quite a bit after a good first month. The right side of that defense is a weakness.

I thought that before the season, but he's been bad. Don't get me wrong, the entire bottom-3 defense has stunk lately, but he's still been the worst of the bunch.

As far as rust goes, dating back to 2016-2017, Murray has only played in 258 of a possible 417 games (61.8%). I'll happily eat crow if he turns his season around and manages to stay healthy, but I'm not counting on it. Murray was even healthy scratched a few times with New Jersey last year, which I -- in error -- chalked up to him struggling on a terrible team. Based on what we've seen so far, unfortunately I think injuries have done him in.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

It’s a pretty simple rule to fix. Just make a rule that teams have to be cap compliant in the playoffs too.

 

[Balthazar]

It’s a pretty simple rule to fix. Just make a rule that teams have to be cap compliant in the playoffs too.

Can't do that without changing a lot of things. Cap hit is spread throughout the season. On day 1 it's 100% and after game 82 then every player has $0 cap hit (they aren't getting a paycheck beyond that).

That's why cap hits are lower at the deadline and you can’t extend it in the playoffs.

 

[PAZ]

It’s a pretty simple rule to fix. Just make a rule that teams have to be cap compliant in the playoffs too.

I'd give teams a bit more flexibility, as it's nice to have prospects and tweeners that may play with the team. Just a minor tweak of having to ice a roster that is cap compliant (with the effective cap hit based off the TDL) would go a long way.

 

[hockeyfish]

I thought that before the season, but he's been bad. Don't get me wrong, the entire bottom-3 defense has stunk lately, but he's still been the worst of the bunch.

As far as rust goes, dating back to 2016-2017, Murray has only played in 258 of a possible 417 games (61.8%). I'll happily eat crow if he turns his season around and manages to stay healthy, but I'm not counting on it. Murray was even healthy scratched a few times with New Jersey last year, which I -- in error -- chalked up to him struggling on a terrible team. Based on what we've seen so far, unfortunately I think injuries have done him in.

I personally feel JJ has been the worst of the bunch. Getting someone like Braun to play with Murray as a shutdown pairing would be ideal.

 

[SaltySkywalker]

At least people are taking notice and realizing it's kind of a bullshit loophole. Small consolation though when Vegas inevitably still gets away with it and beats us this year.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I still think that if Murray is on your 3rd pairing that's damn good.

Now if we could get a damn RD to play with him on the 3rd pair and push down JJ as the 7th D...

Also EJ has regressed quite a bit after a good first month. The right side of that defense is a weakness.

How much of it's the compressed schedule.

 

[The Abusement Park]

At least people are taking notice and realizing it's kind of a bullshit loophole. Small consolation though when Vegas inevitably still gets away with it and beats us this year.

Even then big difference between the Kuch and Stone situations. Kuch actually had surgery and was out for the season because of that. Vegas is just exaggerating this to stay compliant.

 

[hockeyfish]

It’s a pretty simple rule to fix. Just make a rule that teams have to be cap compliant in the playoffs too.

I also think that any player going on LTIR needs to be evaluated by a neutral league doctor. That would clear up some of the suspicion about these convenient injuries.

 

[Avsboy]

When is the last time the Avs signed a UFA and then traded him at the deadline? Not saying it couldn't happen, but I'd put that possibility at <%1

It's against the Code

 

[John Mandalorian]

At least people are taking notice and realizing it's kind of a bullshit loophole. Small consolation though when Vegas inevitably still gets away with it and beats us this year.

Taking notice? Just now? It was a big flashing neon sign for the practical entirety of last season.