For a player to go on LTIR, it has to get cleared though the NHL... so this already happens.
Rumor: 2021-22 Trade Rumors and FA Part V: To Giroux or not to Giroux
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For a player to go on LTIR, it has to get cleared though the NHL... so this already happens.
AvsGuy
Hired the wrong DJ again
I know it goes against prevailing logic but the Avs are a high event team and low event players are not the best fit. Even Ryan Graves was a better fit for the Avs than Ryan Murray is, he was just playing too high in the lineup
For the 'loophole' to be fixed, it would take teams and players to actually want to solve it. There might be individual teams that want it solved, but they are far from the majority... and the players don't (and shouldn't) really want it closed either.
John Mandalorian
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This is a good point. If the cap was increasing more on a yearly basis, maybe it would be different. But you have to think because of the stagnation of the cap, teams see this as relief.
hockeyfish
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LTIR MacK until the playoffs. Acquire Giroux, no retention, for a package involving JTC and picks/prospects. Make a play for a depth D (preferably RD) while packaging Jost. Jettison Murray + picks/prospect to the Yotes for Crouse. There's your 2022 Avs dream trade deadline.
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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Give MacK, Makar and EJ a break until the playoffs, they clearly are still suffering from "emotional damage" from the continued playoff failures. That should give us the room to add Giroux, Pavelski, Klingberg and Hertl.
Murray can’t shutdown shit. Unless you mean his own teams ability to win.
Richard88
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When he signed his contract was considered pretty cheap and looked like a vet taking a cheap deal to play on a contender, so trading him at the deadline wouldn't be the best look. Will future cup-chasing UFA's want to take a cheap one year deal in Colorado knowing they could get traded at the deadline, knowing it happened to Murray?
What cup chasing geriatric has ever really made a difference to a teams cup aspirations? It actually might be a positive that Sakic can’t sign these mediocre stop gaps in the future.
Richard88
John 3:16
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Low-impact hockey isn't necessarily a bad thing from a third pair Dman. In fact, most coaches would take that over a more impactful but volatile option. If you're not noticing Murray either way then that's probably a good thing considering his role.
Unfortunately I only wish Murray was low-event. He was abominable last night, with or without the puck.
Going into the playoffs with a bottom pairing of Jack Johnson and Ryan Murray is completely unacceptable. Joe's gotta do something.
Probably should have started by signing some decent depth defenceman in the off-season.
Gatorbait19
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I love how this was still a question despite the fact it’s February and we’ve got a 20 point buffer for playoff position. If lottery protection on that pick was a serious consideration, we would be having a lot more problems than just that pick.
Given the cap situation I don't think they necessarily did a bad job. Keep in mind the top four was supposed to include Byram, Jack Johnson should be rotating with Murray in the press box. It's just unfortunate injuries keep hitting and oddly, none of them are happening to the one guy we all expected it to happen to.
I don't really know of any depth defender they could have signed who would've been a marked improvement over those two, except maybe Jani Hakanpaa. The other might be Tony DeAngelo, but if the Avs signed him I'd probably be done watching hockey.
Bill Peckerskull
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Bill Peckerskull
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Question for the NHL rules guru on here...
Would it be allowed for the Avs to make a trade in ARI favors in order to get them to free our 1st round pick so Sakic can use it in a trade prior to this TDL? The Yotes would obviously get our 1st rounder next season and they would have better odds to get a higher pick as well. It would be unprotected obviously but it should still be a safe bet it wouldn't be a lottery pick. This could open up a lot of trade possibilities for Sakic prior to this TDL. I am assuming they can wave this year 1st rounder at any time.
To be clear I am not necessarily in favor of this depending obviously what the Avs would give the Yotes to make this happened and also due to our 1st next season being unprotected. I am just curious if it would be allowed by the rules.
Would it be allowed for the Avs to make a trade in ARI favors in order to get them to free our 1st round pick so Sakic can use it in a trade prior to this TDL? The Yotes would obviously get our 1st rounder next season and they would have better odds to get a higher pick as well. It would be unprotected obviously but it should still be a safe bet it wouldn't be a lottery pick. This could open up a lot of trade possibilities for Sakic prior to this TDL. I am assuming they can wave this year 1st rounder at any time.
To be clear I am not necessarily in favor of this depending obviously what the Avs would give the Yotes to make this happened and also due to our 1st next season being unprotected. I am just curious if it would be allowed by the rules.
Bill Peckerskull
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Sure they could, Avs trade their 2023 1st + 2022 3rd to 'Yotes for their own 2022 1st, or something like that.
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I don't believe this could be done like this as our 1st technically does not belong to them yet IMO. If we would lose most of our games then their 1st would be in the Avs' control because it is lottery protected.
shadow1
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I think they would. Murray is way younger (28) than the typical player taking a one-year deal to hunt for a cup. I definitely think his contract looked like a bargain, but at the same time Murray was coming off a down year and signed five days after UFA opened; so I question how much better other offers were.
For me it's as simple as this: he's not filling the role he was brought in to fill and he's not a part of the long term plans. If Colorado needs to shed his salary to bring in a guy like Carson Soucy (just an example), that's a no brainer in my opinion. Just my $0.02.
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Tampa may have won the cup but sure ruined that market
Such a gross overpayment for a 3rd pairing guy
GirardSpinorama
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Hmm. Wouldn't you just void the first condition with this new trade? Don't see the issue if it's with the affected team.
Freudian
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Not really. What I am saying is the Yotes wouldn't be able to trade our 1st back to us because technically it doesn't belong to them yet so the trade as written by BP wouldn't be allowed by the NHL.
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