Speculation: 2021-22 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread Part VI

[KOPITARRULEZ11]

No need for Barrie right side is jammed especially if we keep walker.

Okay so, this is an adventure, but here we go.

To Los Angeles: Jakob Chychrun
To Arizona: Rasmus Kupari, Tobias Bjornfot, 2022 1st, 2023 2nd

To Los Angeles: Tyson Barrie
To Edmonton: Olli Maatta, 4th round pick

Iafallo - Kopitar - Kempe
Moore - Danault - Arvidsson
Turcotte - Byfield - Vilardi
Lemiuex - Lizotte - Kaliyev

Chychrun - Doughty
Barrie - Roy
Anderson - Durzi

Quick
Perersen

That looks like a contender to me.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

If Chychrun is so good like so many in AZ make him out to be, why are they looking to trade a 23 year old? Typical loser ass team mentality, 10 years from now they'll still be rebuilding and trading pieces. Ridiculous. If you're serious about building something that is a player you keep and make your captain.

The thought goes he doesn't want to wait 5 years--through his prime--for them to be competitive again. And they don't HAVE to trade him, hence the value they'll get. they can and SHOULD hang onto him. But if they're going to explore moving him, the Kings HAVE to explore trading for him. DOesn't mean it happens.

 

[Trash Panda]

The bottom line is, if Chychrun was the game breaking defensemen that so many are claiming he is, the price being asked would absolutely be justified.

He just simply is not, by any measure, aside from one shortened season.

 

[unicornpig]

meh, shoot your shot at lindholm next year. not interested in giving up a kings ransom chychrun.

 

[kings11]

Just curious what you guys think will happen if the Ducks continue to sink???
Just how good would Hampus Lindholm be on this team and what would it cost to acquire him? I would even say we should even extend him if possible since he seems to want to stay local..
So what are the following;
Cost to acquire
Cost to extend
Or do we continue our March as is and make a run at him in the off-season

 

[LAKings88]

I’ll be happy if they get Chychrun.

If they don’t I’m not all that concerned. Lindholm would be a great add as a UFA. Can’t see the Ducks and kings making a deal of that magnitude tho.

 

[HookKing]

Well this sucks!

There goes our awesome pp first unit.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

PErsonally I think it's kind of shitty they sent Frk down to put in AA in this situation, you had your 1st line winger right there...

 

[Mats26]

They say Fagemo is skating in Kempe's stead. Very big opportunity for the youngster. He has a chance to break out a little here.

I just want to see Kaliyev on PP1 then. Hate to see him battling every night without getting rewarded to fire some pucks in prime scoring areas. He is long overdue for a goal.

 

[Martyros]

well, back to putting Brown with Kopitar.

 

[kingsfan]

Okay so, this is an adventure, but here we go.

To Los Angeles: Jakob Chychrun
To Arizona: Rasmus Kupari, Tobias Bjornfot, 2022 1st, 2023 2nd

To Los Angeles: Tyson Barrie
To Edmonton: Olli Maatta, 4th round pick

Iafallo - Kopitar - Kempe
Moore - Danault - Arvidsson
Turcotte - Byfield - Vilardi
Lemiuex - Lizotte - Kaliyev

Chychrun - Doughty
Barrie - Roy
Anderson - Durzi

Quick
Perersen

That looks like a contender to me.

I'd do the first in a heart beat. Why on earth would Edmonton do the second one?

 

[kilowatt]

From LAKI:

Here’s how the Kings lined up during today’s skate –

Iafallo – Kopitar – Fagemo
Moore – Danault – Arvidsson
Turcotte – Kupari – Brown
Lemieux – Lizotte – Kaliyev
Anderson-Dolan

Anderson – Doughty
Maatta – Roy
Bjornfot – Durzi
Moverare – Strand

Quick / Petersen / Ingham

 

[apocalypse]

Okay so, this is an adventure, but here we go.

To Los Angeles: Jakob Chychrun
To Arizona: Rasmus Kupari, Tobias Bjornfot, 2022 1st, 2023 2nd

To Los Angeles: Tyson Barrie
To Edmonton: Olli Maatta, 4th round pick

Iafallo - Kopitar - Kempe
Moore - Danault - Arvidsson
Turcotte - Byfield - Vilardi
Lemiuex - Lizotte - Kaliyev

Chychrun - Doughty
Barrie - Roy
Anderson - Durzi

Quick
Perersen

That looks like a contender to me.

I'd want to hold onto Kupari to see what he develops into. The kid is still developing and could very well be a top 3 forward. Giving up Bjornfot and a first is a little too much. I understand Chychrun is elite, but we don't need a defenseman of his type. We have Doughty and to add Chychrun would just be redundant. We need a physical SAH defenseman in our top 4 and I'd be willing to part with a 1st + Madden/AA to get that. A guy like Chiarot or Lindgren would be my choice.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

From LAKI:

Here’s how the Kings lined up during today’s skate –

Iafallo – Kopitar – Fagemo
Moore – Danault – Arvidsson
Turcotte – Kupari – Brown
Lemieux – Lizotte – Kaliyev
Anderson-Dolan

Anderson – Doughty
Maatta – Roy
Bjornfot – Durzi
Moverare – Strand

Quick / Petersen / Ingham

Makes sense to me, I appreciate the continuity while on the road...though I suspect with a veteran divisional rival we'll probably see Brown and Fagemo swap. Or if shit just goes horribly wrong the whole right side could end up in a blender.

 

[KingsHockey24]

I'd rather have Provorov than Chychrun personally.

 

[Fishhead]

Are these team relative?

Because if they're not, they don't tell us much other than that he's on a shitty team. We need to know how much he's outperforming them. Hint: this year, i'ts not at all. Last few years, it was by LARGE orders of magnitude.

Good question, and a fair point.
Those graphs are not, but here are some comparative graphs which compile the last 4 seasons. Arizona played a crapload of different defensemen in that period so I put the floor at 2000 minutes of ice time to catch the starters. These all have quality of competition on the y-axis, higher is tougher:

CF%:



Demers, Hjalmarsson, and OEL have had better possession numbers with far tougher assignments.

DFF% (dangerous Fenwick):



Demers and Hjal created more dangerous chances than against than Chychrun against much better competition. OEL was lower than Chychrun, but this makes sense as his QOC is so high because he's out there against star players all the time.

GF%:



This one honestly surprised me because I expected Chychrun to excel here. He's actually 5th here, even behind Connauton. I figured it was because of sample size but Connauton has played 188 games, more than I thought. He doesn't generate as much as others against much weaker assignments.

This last one is a different stat, faceoffs/60. So the higher the number, the more the player is deployed in certain situations:



This one is really telling as its clear as day that Chychrun is deployed against weaker opponents and isn't put out in all situations.


What really jumps out to me about Chychrun is he has never been deployed like a first pairing defenseman, almost exclusively second line. Demers and Hjalmarsson consistently equalled or surpassed his performance with far tougher assignments, and OEL was their #1 by far when he was there.

He could develop into a star defender, but his performance comparable to his teammates doesn't inspire confidence in that. The more data you see on the guy the more likely it looks that his great season was an outlier. This season he's a tire fire. How you have such a shittier differential than your teammates when you aren't even getting tough assignments is hard to explain. This is why I wouldn't offer near the packages being tossed around here, just far too risky.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The question with a Chychrun type trade is; what are you waiting for? To go back to Richards again, he was surprisingly available in 2011. Had the Flyers not been looking to trade him, but we say well the Kings really need Mike Richards to make this work, but the Flyers don't trade him for another 4 years, do you just keep going with what you've got until 2015? Or do you make another trade to fill the gap in the meantime?

Did DL get Smyth in 2009 because he couldn't get Richards back then? Because obviously Mike Richards was the perfect DL player this side of Mike Ricci. Was he just killing time until Richards was out there to get? Or was he trying to be competitive without thinking about Richards each and every day?

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

I just want to see Kaliyev on PP1 then. Hate to see him battling every night without getting rewarded to fire some pucks in prime scoring areas. He is long overdue for a goal.

You act as if he doesn't get scoring chances due to the line hes's on...and that he would bury every chance he got if he was. Neither is true.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

Chychrun has had 2 good to great years. Why do people act like he's only had one? Heck, he's had an outstanding start to his career. He has not been good this year but things would be better if his shot % wasn't so glaringly low. 2.4 % is almost 4 times lower than his career average. That is going to change!

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Chychrun has had 2 good to great years. Why do people act like he's only had one? Heck, he's had an outstanding start to his career. He has not been good this year but things would be better if his shot % wasn't so glaringly low. 2.4 % is almost 4 times lower than his career average. That is going to change!

Because on this board...unlike real life, a bird in the bush is worth more than a bird in the hand.....

 

[bland]

Because on this board...unlike real life, a bird in the bush is worth more than a bird in the hand.....

Its more about giving a dude a fish to eat instead of teaching him how to fish.

Some of you guys are getting way, way too excited about a hot streak. Everybody in the division apart from Seattle has had one, and some of you are desperate to hit the fast forward button.

The Kings are not a contender, they are part of a congestion of five relatively similar teams trading hot and cold runs. Lets give it a few more weeks of solid results before we think that a massive addition at a massive cost is good for business. There is good reason for excitement, but look at why its happening.

The youth is already paying dividends and the real high skill portion isn't even here yet. Relax and enjoy this part of the process, its only going upward from here.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Its more about giving a dude a fish to eat instead of teaching him how to fish.

Some of you guys are getting way, way too excited about a hot streak. Everybody in the division apart from Seattle has had one, and some of you are desperate to hit the fast forward button.

The Kings are not a contender, they are part of a congestion of five relatively similar teams trading hot and cold runs. Lets give it a few more weeks of solid results before we think that a massive addition at a massive cost is good for business. There is good reason for excitement, but look at why its happening.

The youth is already paying dividends and the real high skill portion isn't even here yet. Relax and enjoy this part of the process, its only going upward from here.

The Kings are 19-8-4 since their first 7 games, so it's not just about their recent streak and it's not a fluke. That's their last 31 games and not some sample size.
It's no reason to get overexcited or even can say the Kings are 100% going to make the playoffs. And they can certainly have a bad streak, too.
They are good at home 13-8-2 and good on the road 7-5-3...there are no 1 or 2 players carrying the team...there is good balance, throughout the lineup.
Injuries do not affect them - Walker, Doughty, Edler. Both goalies are playing very well now.

The only things they suck at, are PP and PK. If they can improve those even marginally, things are even better. They have depth that can fill in, when injuries
and C19 occur...perhaps more than any team! 3 D have gone out and the replacements filled in well. Lots of forwards have missed games and they have
several that can step in and play well. Many of the kids can step in NOW and perform adequately.

 

[YP44]

well, back to putting Brown with Kopitar.

I think TM liked having Turcotte and Brown together. So we will see, that is the easy answer.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Its more about giving a dude a fish to eat instead of teaching him how to fish.

Some of you guys are getting way, way too excited about a hot streak. Everybody in the division apart from Seattle has had one, and some of you are desperate to hit the fast forward button.

The Kings are not a contender, they are part of a congestion of five relatively similar teams trading hot and cold runs. Lets give it a few more weeks of solid results before we think that a massive addition at a massive cost is good for business. There is good reason for excitement, but look at why its happening.

The youth is already paying dividends and the real high skill portion isn't even here yet. Relax and enjoy this part of the process, its only going upward from here.

And if Chyrcrun was 30 years old, you would have a point, he's 23....same age range as Andersson, Durzi, Kempe, Kupari, Fagemo, Vilardi etc you know...the kids.

 

[YP44]

And if Chyrcrun was 30 years old, you would have a point, he's 23....same age range as Andersson, Durzi, Kempe, Kupari, Fagemo, Vilardi etc you know...the kids.

and I really like his contract, especially compared to what other D-men have signed for recently