Speculation: 2021-22 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread Part VI

[tny760]

they actually played some really good hockey the last few games, the bergevin/blake stuff is way outta left field

hammered the red wings in the 1st period, shots were 27-1 or some shit, danault fought larkin, lizotte line is godlike

 

[Perratrooper]

Would still love to get him but I don't see why they'd move him outside of a goalie upgrade and Quick isn't the type of upgrade that nets a Girard-level player.

There’s multiple reasons the Avs would consider moving Girard. The Avs arguably have 3 puck moving defenseman who are better in Makar, Toews and Byram. Looking at the forwards, their entire second line are UFA’s at the end of the year. So forwards would also help.

Ultimately a defenseman better suited for PKing (Roy), prospects, picks or forwards would all address needs.

I like him but I don’t know if LA would pay the price for a smaller guy. I do think they could use him to get some offense from the back and he moves the puck well. Chychrun should be their target in all honesty tho.

I get that and the price would likely be comparable between the two, obviously Chychrun would demand more, but not sure how substantial the difference would be.

 

[KingsHockey24]

How long have you been gone? Alex got the Vid shortly after debut. Should be back soon.

Bergevin is the assistant gm starting after season & Blake is rumored to be extended. We're entering full meltdown.

Edit: & Byfield is heating up in Ont

I've been gone since like December 27th so I've missed quite a bit of time.

Also are we talking the former Habs GM?..

 

[Statto]

He had NOTHING to do with the Kyle Beach things, he was a scout at time and was probably at the Memorial Cup scouting.
Don’t forget a dicton, you’re never as bad as people says even more in market like MTL and you’re not as good as people says

Thanks for the clarity, it’s important and I didn’t want to read all the threads about it to check. IIRC he was made Director of Player Personnel or something around that time, but what that actually means who knows?

 

[Statto]

People saying it’s cronyism because of Luc but surely he’s Blakes hire? Does the GM not appoint his subordinates? I’d have thought this is all on Blake, one way or the other.

The thread is funny though because you could have predicted who was going to like/hate it before a name was announced. Me? I’m in the middle until I understand his remit (it varies in different organizations) and I see some sort of sample size of what he does in the actual role.

 

[KingsFan7824]

People saying it’s cronyism because of Luc but surely he’s Blakes hire? Does the GM not appoint his subordinates? I’d have thought this is all on Blake, one way or the other.

The thread is funny though because you could have predicted who was going to like/hate it before a name was announced. Me? I’m in the middle until I understand his remit (it varies in different organizations) and I see some sort of sample size of what he does in the actual role.

Filthy centrist. Pick a side, we're at war.

 

[Statto]

Filthy centrist. Pick a side, we're at war.

As of this time I am Switzerland.

 

[Matt13]

As of this time I am Switzerland.

I have been noticing more bandwagon Swiss fans since they beat the US Team in December.

 

[GameNight]

People saying it’s cronyism because of Luc but surely he’s Blakes hire? Does the GM not appoint his subordinates? I’d have thought this is all on Blake, one way or the other.

The thread is funny though because you could have predicted who was going to like/hate it before a name was announced. Me? I’m in the middle until I understand his remit (it varies in different organizations) and I see some sort of sample size of what he does in the actual role.

Google: Robitaille flew McLellan

 

[King'sPawn]

The thread is funny though because you could have predicted who was going to like/hate it before a name was announced. Me? I’m in the middle until I understand his remit (it varies in different organizations) and I see some sort of sample size of what he does in the actual role.

Please tell us who would have hated it before a name was announced - don't have to name names, but call out the group. Seems you are under the impression the critics are out to be upset, and instead ignoring the pointed criticisms about the hire.

Which just appears you want to ignore those points, even though it straight up reinforces the criticisms.

 

[BillyCostigan]

Bergevin will probably want to trade Byfield for a couple 4th liners and a 3rd pair D.

That guy destroyed the Habs and LA hires him.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Bergevin will probably want to trade Byfield for a couple 4th liners and a 3rd pair D.

That guy destroyed the Habs and LA hires him.

Destroyed the Habs? Hyperbole much? Ok, what did he do to "destroy the Habs"

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Please tell us who would have hated it before a name was announced - don't have to name names, but call out the group. Seems you are under the impression the critics are out to be upset, and instead ignoring the pointed criticisms about the hire.

Which just appears you want to ignore those points, even though it straight up reinforces the criticisms.

NO one has been able to answer what clear positives he brings to the table.

Signings--meh.
Trades--Sergachev for Drouin, Patches for mostly Suzuki, PK for Weber--not scared to make big trades but often ends up on wrong side and is often basically a wash, nothing for nothing. He did fleece a dumbass Edmonton for Petry.
Draft--LOL

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

NO one has been able to answer what clear positives he brings to the table.

Signings--meh.
Trades--Sergachev for Drouin, Patches for mostly Suzuki, PK for Weber--not scared to make big trades but often ends up on wrong side and is often basically a wash, nothing for nothing. He did fleece a dumbass Edmonton for Petry.
Draft--LOL

Signings - Toffoli, Chiarot, Kovalchuk, Radulov, not sure if those are meh
Trades - Petry, Danault, Suzuki, Weber, like you mentioned Petry
Draft - by far his weakest area.....so it remains to be seen what he deals with in that area....

Clear positives, he has decades of experience as a player and exec, and brings a fresh perspective to the team

Negative - apparently he's friends with Robitaille.

 

[SufferingSelfCreated]

The Habs made the playoffs in 6/9 years, under his tenure. So there's that.

 

[Mats26]

Bergevin will probably want to trade Byfield for a couple 4th liners and a 3rd pair D.

That guy destroyed the Habs and LA hires him.

Destroyed the habs...lol
I don't like Bergy or anything todo with the Habs but be real.
The team overachieved to make it to the finals but he put together a darn good D core for that run. He practically paid nothing for those D men.

Petry: 2015 second-round pick and a conditional fifth-rounder
Chiarot: UFA 3 years at 3.5 per
Edmundson: 5th rounder in 2020

Add Doughty and a hot goalie like Quick and the D is looking like 2012. Lombardi would be proud.

Bigger problems with the Habs was Timmins and his lack of first round hits + poor development.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Destroyed the habs...lol
I don't like Bergy or anything todo with the Habs but be real.
The team overachieved to make it to the finals but he put together a darn good D core for that run. He practically paid nothing for those D men.

Petry: 2015 second-round pick and a conditional fifth-rounder
Chiarot: UFA 3 years at 3.5 per
Edmundson: 5th rounder in 2020

Add Doughty and a hot goalie like Quick and the D is looking like 2012. Lombardi would be proud.

Bigger problems with the Habs was Timmins and his lack of first round hits + poor development.

So that's what we're cheering for?

Your entire post is he fleeced Edmonton, made two good UFA signings one of which he flung a pick for the rights to, and his drafting and development sucked, just add a generational Dman and Conn Smythe goaltending and the D would look good?

If that's the best support for this addition, I'm sorry, but it's awful.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Signings - Toffoli, Chiarot, Kovalchuk, Radulov, not sure if those are meh
Trades - Petry, Danault, Suzuki, Weber, like you mentioned Petry
Draft - by far his weakest area.....so it remains to be seen what he deals with in that area....

Clear positives, he has decades of experience as a player and exec, and brings a fresh perspective to the team

Negative - apparently he's friends with Robitaille.

They signed Toffoli to a 4 year, 4.2 million deal. He had one good year and now is on a 15 goal pace and they're talking about trading him.
Ben Chiarot is just Josh Manson in a big market, they go bonkers over him because he's physical and good at defense but they talk about him as if he's a surefire top guy.
Kovalchuk ended up being smart because it was a small deal and flung him for a 3rd that they turned partially into Jake Allen.
Signed Radulov for one good year and then lost him to Dallas--that's a failure. They had given him 5.75x1, Dallas gave him 6.25x5. Sounds a lot like Danault walking over half a mil. Stepping over dollars to pick up pennies.

This is over a decade, so yeah, that's pretty meh.

Petry was great. Danault was a good trade, probably enhanced by his knowledge of the Hawks. Suzuki/Tatar/2nd came after trading MaxPac, that's a good return but they're definitely not winning that one right now, Suzuki has dropped from a 60pt pace to a 45 pt pace without danault giving him soft minutes. Weber for PK was good.

 

[kilowatt]

I'd be a lot more worried if Bergevin was replacing Blake, but we complained an awful lot about hiring Blake and yet he's generally done what most of us wanted him to do. I won't say I'm happy about it, but I'm hopeful that Bergevin brings something to the table that Blake and Luc don't. Even if it's just his ability to fleece Edmonton. Maybe we'll acquire McDavid or Draisaitl

 

[Mats26]

So that's what we're cheering for?

Your entire post is he fleeced Edmonton, made two good UFA signings one of which he flung a pick for the rights to, and his drafting and development sucked, just add a generational Dman and Conn Smythe goaltending and the D would look good?

If that's the best support for this addition, I'm sorry, but it's awful.

Listen I don't like the guy but blame Luc for hiring him not Bergevin!
Is he dumb for drafting Logan...sure. Friends with Luc....ok.
I personally don't like the Danault aspect to all this. I guess they spoke and all is good? Who knows.

As far as moves, he made some good trades to get the team bigger. Isn't that what we need?
A Josh Anderson move or get some bigger D. I am all for that.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I'd be a lot more worried if Bergevin was replacing Blake, but we complained an awful lot about huring Blake and yet he's generally done what most of us wanted him to do. I won't say I'm happy about it, but I'm hopeful that Bergevin brings something to the table that Blake and Luc don't. Even if it's just his ability to fleece Edmonton. Maybe we'll acquire McDavid or Draisaitl

Right. in his current role his ability to damage things is minimized and he brings some east coast knowledge. I'm on board with that, it's all good. I like the guy in general, loved how he played the game, hope I'm in his kind of shape in ten years, lol, but there are a lot of people saying we're just hating because of Luc when really it's more his lack of successful history that I'm scared of. The luc thing is just a bonus.

Since 2012 they've missed the playoffs four times and lost in the first round four times. I don't know where this idea of 'success' is coming from outside of a couple of hot goalie runs one of which was in a covid year. They've been an eminently flawed-construction franchise for years trying to solve the 1C problem for as long as I can remember.

 

[Mats26]

They signed Toffoli to a 4 year, 4.2 million deal. He had one good year and now is on a 15 goal pace and they're talking about trading him.
Ben Chiarot is just Josh Manson in a big market, they go bonkers over him because he's physical and good at defense but they talk about him as if he's a surefire top guy.
Kovalchuk ended up being smart because it was a small deal and flung him for a 3rd that they turned partially into Jake Allen.
Signed Radulov for one good year and then lost him to Dallas--that's a failure. They had given him 5.75x1, Dallas gave him 6.25x5. Sounds a lot like Danault walking over half a mil. Stepping over dollars to pick up pennies.

This is over a decade, so yeah, that's pretty meh.

Petry was great. Danault was a good trade, probably enhanced by his knowledge of the Hawks. Suzuki/Tatar/2nd came after trading MaxPac, that's a good return but they're definitely not winning that one right now, Suzuki has dropped from a 60pt pace to a 45 pt pace without danault giving him soft minutes. Weber for PK was good.

His worse trade was Drouin for Serghachev.
We know that the french media\politicians keep pushing for french star players. Some moves he made were more politically motivated.
The mayor of the city declared a day or mourning when the team did not dress a french player(first time ever) last year. It is crazy here.

 

[King'sPawn]

Signings - Toffoli, Chiarot, Kovalchuk, Radulov, not sure if those are meh
Trades - Petry, Danault, Suzuki, Weber, like you mentioned Petry
Draft - by far his weakest area.....so it remains to be seen what he deals with in that area....

Clear positives, he has decades of experience as a player and exec, and brings a fresh perspective to the team

Negative - apparently he's friends with Robitaille.

Signings - Chiarot is good, but Kovalchuk and Toffoli have done virtually nothing

Trades - Suzuki, Danault, and Weber are good trades

Draft - so far no good major products

Positives - he's not a bump on a log and in the 99 trades he did in 10 seasons as a GM, there are three that were good.

Negatives - knowingly drafting a player who committed a sex-related crime despite his pleas not to be drafted. Having Danault so dissatisfied with their belief in him he walked. Letting Kotkaniemi go with the offer sheet, depleting his center depth. This forced Bergevin to trade a 1st+ for Christian Dvorak. Having one of the worst post-finals collapses where they are a lottery team.

Sorry, those negatives just cover the past 7 months.

 

[Fishhead]

Jack Ferreira didn't do much either before joining the Kings, mostly dabbling in expansion teams with no real success at building or doing anything. He's been great with the Kings, hope that happens here. Same with Hextall, Dean was just bringing in his buddies. The only difference is Dean was completely up front about that, almost to the point of bragging.

Bergevin's track record isn't great, but we should probably give it a bit before we pitchfork the guy. Most of the vitriol comes from the Luc connection which I get, he's easily the worst executive we've had in quite a long time. Montreal is the most difficult market to succeed in as a GM, the pressure there is psychotic. Maybe he will flourish where people won't even know who he is. And Bergevin won't even have any real power, he's an assistant and nothing more. It really does show just how much people hate Luc in his current role though.

 

[unicornpig]

Signings - Chiarot is good, but Kovalchuk and Toffoli have done virtually nothing

Trades - Suzuki, Danault, and Weber are good trades

Draft - so far no good major products

Positives - he's not a bump on a log and in the 99 trades he did in 10 seasons as a GM, there are three that were good.

Negatives - knowingly drafting a player who committed a sex-related crime despite his pleas not to be drafted. Having Danault so dissatisfied with their belief in him he walked. Letting Kotkaniemi go with the offer sheet, depleting his center depth. This forced Bergevin to trade a 1st+ for Christian Dvorak. Having one of the worst post-finals collapses where they are a lottery team.

Sorry, those negatives just cover the past 7 months.

toffoli had a career year last year and kovy was signed for the minimum lol.