Speculation: 2021-22 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread Part VI

[GoldenBearHockey]

Signings - Chiarot is good, but Kovalchuk and Toffoli have done virtually nothing

Trades - Suzuki, Danault, and Weber are good trades

Draft - so far no good major products

Positives - he's not a bump on a log and in the 99 trades he did in 10 seasons as a GM, there are three that were good.

Negatives - knowingly drafting a player who committed a sex-related crime despite his pleas not to be drafted. Having Danault so dissatisfied with their belief in him he walked. Letting Kotkaniemi go with the offer sheet, depleting his center depth. This forced Bergevin to trade a 1st+ for Christian Dvorak. Having one of the worst post-finals collapses where they are a lottery team.

Sorry, those negatives just cover the past 7 months.

Toffoli, 28 goals in 52 games, but has done nothing.....Kovalchuk, 13 points in 22 games....again...did nothing.

Draft....like I said, by far his weakest...

Mailleoux drafting, great foresight, kid apologized, owned it, did what he had to do to move past it, is now reinstated in the OHL, and is on track to be a pro hockey player.....you don't like what Mailloux did, fine, you don't want to give 16-17-18-19-20 year old second chances, fine, that says more about you than anyone else.

Danault wanted a BIGGER role.....not a 3rd line role they had him in, it had nothing to do with their belief.....

But I get it, you want to be negative because Luc did something and you can't stand Luc.....so it doesn't really what if anything he does, it just gives you an excuse to bitch.

 

[kilowatt]

Jonathan Quick is elite.



That's with a 27th-ranked penalty kill.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Bergevin will probably want to trade Byfield for a couple 4th liners and a 3rd pair D.

That guy destroyed the Habs and LA hires him.

There's nothing in his past that would suggest trading Byfield for bottom of the roster role players is an option. Weber retiring and Price disappearing killed the Habs more than anything else.

Not that he's the GM of the Kings.

 

[kilowatt]

Trading Byfield for plugs is obvious hyperbole.

 

[bland]

Trading Byfield for plugs is obvious hyperbole.

Of course it is, but I would get ready to see things like JAD for Crouse, Grundstrom out for a 4th, things like that.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I'd trade JAD for Crouse in a new york minute but I get what you're saying

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Toffoli, 28 goals in 52 games, but has done nothing.....Kovalchuk, 13 points in 22 games....again...did nothing.

Draft....like I said, by far his weakest...

Mailleoux drafting, great foresight, kid apologized, owned it, did what he had to do to move past it, is now reinstated in the OHL, and is on track to be a pro hockey player.....you don't like what Mailloux did, fine, you don't want to give 16-17-18-19-20 year old second chances, fine, that says more about you than anyone else.

Danault wanted a BIGGER role.....not a 3rd line role they had him in, it had nothing to do with their belief.....

But I get it, you want to be negative because Luc did something and you can't stand Luc.....so it doesn't really what if anything he does, it just gives you an excuse to bitch.

Toffoli is on pace for 15 goals this year, his 2nd of a four year deal. and they're ready to trade him.

Kovy I said was good not only because they got him for peanuts but they slung him for a 3rd that partially became Jake allen.

Mailloux literally said 'please don't draft me' lmao

Again sure I can't stand Luc so it gives me extra to bitch about but there isn't much he has done at even a below-average level other than keep his job for a decade in a tough market. I'm even willing to give the benefit of the doubt that Molson meddles hardcore. But what does he actually bring? Everyone is just making excuses for his failures, not pumping any successes...of which there are like 3 out of 100 instances.

 

[bland]

The Habs made the playoffs in 6/9 years, under his tenure. So there's that.

And that is EXACTLY the problem that we don't need here coming off of a rebuild.

Everything - literally everything - that Bergevin did was to squeak into the playoffs year after year where "anything can happen" at the expense of a well thought out plan to develop an organization that has a chance to succeed once they get there.

He threw spaghetti against the wall and hoped it would stick, season after season. Didn't matter if he had the diminutive RW market cornered, there was always room for one more. Teams underperforming at the top of the lineup? Lets shake up the role players.

He was just not a successful GM. The big knock on Bergevin was absolutely zero longterm vision, and that is already a problem here.

Its a waste of time to break down the individual signings and trades, that is just minutiae, you have to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. The Kings brought in an advisor whose experience shows that he was incapable of doing exactly what needs to be done here.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Toffoli is on pace for 15 goals this year, his 2nd of a four year deal. and they're ready to trade him.

Kovy I said was good not only because they got him for peanuts but they slung him for a 3rd that partially became Jake allen.

Mailloux literally said 'please don't draft me' lmao

Again sure I can't stand Luc so it gives me extra to bitch about but there isn't much he has done at even a below-average level other than keep his job for a decade in a tough market. I'm even willing to give the benefit of the doubt that Molson meddles hardcore. But what does he actually bring? Everyone is just making excuses for his failures, not pumping any successes...of which there are like 3 out of 100 instances.

Toffoli also got injured, they lost Weber and Price.... but yea, let's focus on the quarter of a bad year that Toffoli is having, instead of a career year last year....and go...see....Bergervin never should have signed him.....

I mean f*** man.....be honest about what's going on here....Mailloux, yes, he said please don't draft me, and the Canadians did...f*** hang him up by his tight and curlies on that one right? Let's forget that Mailloux apologized, owned it, did what he had to, got reinstated......but f*** he said don't draft him.....and again, let's NOT give 16-17-18-19-20 year old second chances because they do stupid shit....right?

He brings a fresh perspective, for the I don't know, 100th time, he brings experience, he brings knowledge, you say you give him the benefit of the doubt, then say he hasn't done shit.....only kept a job in the toughest leage, in one of the toughest market in that league, for a decade.....but yea, he has done f***all....

 

[Fishhead]

Jakob Chychrun trade rumor update:


Wait, there isn't one because he's been out for over a month again. If it wasn't for cancellations he'd be on pace for another season with games played in the 60s. On the good side, those cancellations means more games played means a better shot to break the all time worst +/- record, he could get himself immortalized!

 

[lumbergh]

Jonathan Quick is elite.



That's with a 27th-ranked penalty kill.

I'm not sure whether this post says more about Jonathan Quick being good than about what a weird stat "goals saved above expected per 60 minutes" is. That an advanced stat could miss a goalie's performance by 1 goal a game is worrying.

Besides that, Jonathan Quick has been awesome. He'd probably tell you, though, that the only stat he cares about is wins and losses.

 

[Schmooley]

Of course it is, but I would get ready to see things like JAD for Crouse, Grundstrom out for a 4th, things like that.

JAD for Crouse would be really good. If they did that trade Id love it.

 

[Reaper45]

JAD f

Of course it is, but I would get ready to see things like JAD for Crouse, Grundstrom out for a 4th, things like that.

JAD for Crouse would be a steal!

 

[KINGS17]

And that is EXACTLY the problem that we don't need here coming off of a rebuild.

Everything - literally everything - that Bergevin did was to squeak into the playoffs year after year where "anything can happen" at the expense of a well thought out plan to develop an organization that has a chance to succeed once they get there.

He threw spaghetti against the wall and hoped it would stick, season after season. Didn't matter if he had the diminutive RW market cornered, there was always room for one more. Teams underperforming at the top of the lineup? Lets shake up the role players.

He was just not a successful GM. The big knock on Bergevin was absolutely zero longterm vision, and that is already a problem here.

Its a waste of time to break down the individual signings and trades, that is just minutiae, you have to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. The Kings brought in an advisor whose experience shows that he was incapable of doing exactly what needs to be done here.

This is exactly what the Kings did pre-Lombardi, and what I am concerned they will return to post-Lombardi.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Toffoli also got injured, they lost Weber and Price.... but yea, let's focus on the quarter of a bad year that Toffoli is having, instead of a career year last year....and go...see....Bergervin never should have signed him.....

I mean f*** man.....be honest about what's going on here....Mailloux, yes, he said please don't draft me, and the Canadians did...f*** hang him up by his tight and curlies on that one right? Let's forget that Mailloux apologized, owned it, did what he had to, got reinstated......but f*** he said don't draft him.....and again, let's NOT give 16-17-18-19-20 year old second chances because they do stupid shit....right?

He brings a fresh perspective, for the I don't know, 100th time, he brings experience, he brings knowledge, you say you give him the benefit of the doubt, then say he hasn't done shit.....only kept a job in the toughest leage, in one of the toughest market in that league, for a decade.....but yea, he has done f***all....

So again, you're making excuses for his failures, not pumping his success.

Sure he brings 'knowledge' and 'experience.'


His knowledge is making a bunch of mistakes. Where are his successes?

Is Toffoli really the hill you're going to die on, that he signed a late 20s UFA to a 4 year deal and he had a career year before...things? Come on--there's a decade of stuff to draw from, right?


I'm miffed and yeah you're going to have a hard time changing my mind about this one. For how long the AGM opening lasted, for them to hurry up on Bergeron of all people smells bad.
His experience is staying afloat Dave Tayloring year after year. what can/did he learn from it given he was unemployed for what, a month?

He's been out of the 1st round twice in a decade, both times buoyed by unsustainable goaltending, and one time the team performed out of their skulls in a covid year, leading to his firing because they crashed down to earth.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Remember when the Kings employed other failed GMs in Mike O'Connell and Jack Ferreira? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

 

[Statto]

I'd be a lot more worried if Bergevin was replacing Blake, but we complained an awful lot about hiring Blake and yet he's generally done what most of us wanted him to do. I won't say I'm happy about it, but I'm hopeful that Bergevin brings something to the table that Blake and Luc don't. Even if it's just his ability to fleece Edmonton. Maybe we'll acquire McDavid or Draisaitl

I’ve been trying to sell Kempe, Quick and Kopi + for Draisaitl and had no takers on the trade board thread. Maybe Bergevin can be more persuasive.

My suggestion wasn’t serious btw

 

[bmr]

I think the hardest part about being GM is shutting down all the outside noise/pressure and focusing on what the team really needs to get significantly better, year after year. Getting Danault, Arvidsson and Edler made sense. The next year or two will be tricky for Blake and maybe that's the reason for bringing Bergevin in. He knows that there are going to be some significant trades happening soon and wants more guys in the room.

It had to be a tough situation for Bergevin in Montreal. That is a pressure cooker over there with high expectations.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Remember when the Kings employed other failed GMs in Mike O'Connell and Jack Ferreira? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Sure do.

Did the Kings rush them into a role that's been open for two years?

The role has been open for two years and suddenly Bergevin is hired a month after being fired in MTL. YOu're telling me there's NO ONE ELSE for this job worthwhile since 2020?

That, the Luc nonsense, and a history of mediocre performance due to lack of vision, absolutely bottom of barrel drafting, and average-at-BEST signings/trades are legitimate concerns that no one seems to be able to answer to with anything but "well that's not THAT bad." That's our new bar for 'good' apparently.

And of course...all of the above with zero accountability. no press conference/media availability. We're all good with that. Cool.

 

[Little Psycho]

Of course.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Sure do.

Did the Kings rush them into a role that's been open for two years?

The advisory role just seems so insignificant to me that I really don't see the big deal in him being on board. It's someone to bounce ideas off of who has 16 seasons of experience in various front office roles.

At least it's an outsider who wasn't a former King or teammates with anyone in the front office. He's likely going to be like Hextall and be hired as a GM elsewhere in the future.

 

[bmr]

Sure do.

Did the Kings rush them into a role that's been open for two years?

The role has been open for two years and suddenly Bergevin is hired a month after being fired in MTL. YOu're telling me there's NO ONE ELSE for this job?

That, the Luc nonsense, and a history of mediocre performance due to lack of vision, absolutely bottom of barrel drafting, and average-at-BEST signings/trades are legitimate concerns that no one seems to be able to answer to with anything but "well that's not THAT bad." That's our new bar for 'good' apparently.

I'm trying to figure out what the connection is for Luc, Rob and Marc. I'd love to be a fly on the wall with some of this stuff. From everything I've seen from Rob up to this point, he really does seem like a thoughtful guy when it comes to constructing this team's roster. I'm wondering if this was a decision between him and Luc or if there were other people in on it as well. It'd be nice to get some feedback from these guys.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The advisory role just seems so insignificant to me that I really don't see the big deal in him being on board. It's someone to bounce ideas off of who has 16 seasons of experience in various front office roles.

At least it's an outsider who wasn't a former King or teammates with anyone in the front office. He's likely going to be like Hextall and be hired as a GM elsewhere in the future.

if that ends up being the case, i'm good with it. As I mentioned before he brings Eastern Conference knowledge and has a good eye for 'grinder' types (anderson, evans, danault, even gallagher to a degree).

The smoke and lack of media availability says they know it looks ugly and of course the rumors exist.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

So again, you're making excuses for his failures, not pumping his success.

Sure he brings 'knowledge' and 'experience.'


His knowledge is making a bunch of mistakes. Where are his successes?

Is Toffoli really the hill you're going to die on, that he signed a late 20s UFA to a 4 year deal and he had a career year before...things? Come on--there's a decade of stuff to draw from, right?


I'm miffed and yeah you're going to have a hard time changing my mind about this one. For how long the AGM opening lasted, for them to hurry up on Bergeron of all people smells bad.
His experience is staying afloat Dave Tayloring year after year. what can/did he learn from it given he was unemployed for what, a month?

He's been out of the 1st round twice in a decade, both times buoyed by unsustainable goaltending, and one time the team performed out of their skulls in a covid year, leading to his firing because they crashed down to earth.

Signing Toffoli, success, signing Kovalchuk, success, signing Radulov, success,
Trading for Suzuki, success, Danault, success, Weber, success, Petry success...

Tell me, what do you define as success....for a GM ?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]