Speculation: 2021-22 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread Part VI

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Signing Toffoli, success, signing Kovalchuk, success, signing Radulov, success,
Trading for Suzuki, success, Danault, success, Weber, success, Petry success...

Tell me, what do you define as success....for a GM ?


Even if I concede all of those--which I wouldn't--that would be 7 transaction victories out of many over a decade for a guy who has been out of the first round twice.

That's mediocre at best. They were the definition of a black hole team for a decade, living and dying to merely get into the playoffs so they could get crushed unless they hit a goaltending miracle, and now he's getting overrated because of a cinderella run that's proving to have been smoke and mirrors.

Oh, and graduating more than one prospect into an effective NHLer (Lehkonen).
 
Even if I concede all of those--which I wouldn't--that would be 7 transaction victories out of many over a decade for a guy who has been out of the first round twice.

That's mediocre at best. They were the definition of a black hole team for a decade, living and dying to merely get into the playoffs so they could get crushed unless they hit a goaltending miracle, and now he's getting overrated because of a cinderella run that's proving to have been smoke and mirrors.

Oh, and graduating more than one prospect into an effective NHLer (Lehkonen).

You don't really understand the Montreal market....but that's another conversation,

graduating more than one prospect?

Galchenyuk, De La Rose, Lehkohnen (which you gave), Mete, Sergachev (traded for Drouin, both prospects, so sub Drouin in) Kotkenami, again, drafting is not his strong suite,

But you mock 7 transactions over what....a decade.....how many transactions do you think are actually MADE by a team in a given year? 2-3 trades, MAYBE...and what, 4-5 UFA signings? MAYBE....

You act as if we are taking about thousands of transactions...instead of what....70 maybe? Depends on if you want to include the drafting....as a transaction.
 
Jakob Chychrun trade rumor update:


Wait, there isn't one because he's been out for over a month again. If it wasn't for cancellations he'd be on pace for another season with games played in the 60s. On the good side, those cancellations means more games played means a better shot to break the all time worst +/- record, he could get himself immortalized!

let’s not forget the torn ACL and chronic knee issues but…..
 
JAD has picked up his game this year in ONT, but note 6 of his 8 goals are PP. That's all good, but not the best, only having 2 ESG. Has 17% shooting percentage, which is great.

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I know what’s he’s doing in the AHL and what’s he’s done here.. granted it’s been a small sample size. The kid is suppose to be our 4C of the future but I think Akil will seize that from him.
Also, stats don’t really tell the whole story with JAD. He looks good but he can get really careless with his passes and awareness. I would trade for Crouse though not sure if trade JAD just yet.
 
And that is EXACTLY the problem that we don't need here coming off of a rebuild.

Everything - literally everything - that Bergevin did was to squeak into the playoffs year after year where "anything can happen" at the expense of a well thought out plan to develop an organization that has a chance to succeed once they get there.

He threw spaghetti against the wall and hoped it would stick, season after season. Didn't matter if he had the diminutive RW market cornered, there was always room for one more. Teams underperforming at the top of the lineup? Lets shake up the role players.

He was just not a successful GM. The big knock on Bergevin was absolutely zero longterm vision, and that is already a problem here.

Its a waste of time to break down the individual signings and trades, that is just minutiae, you have to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. The Kings brought in an advisor whose experience shows that he was incapable of doing exactly what needs to be done here.
zero long term vision? I don't think you're analyzing the situation correctly. I think Blake takes guesses at which prospects will pan out, guesses even to the point of rushing prospects into the NHL, throwing crap at the wall. I think his long term vision is fine. He's drafted well, and signed quality players in iafallo, arvy, danault. I just think blake's biggest problem is his hesitance, which could actually be a good thing because you don't want a reactionary GM or someone that makes impulsive trades/signings.
 
Please tell us who would have hated it before a name was announced - don't have to name names, but call out the group. Seems you are under the impression the critics are out to be upset, and instead ignoring the pointed criticisms about the hire.

Which just appears you want to ignore those points, even though it straight up reinforces the criticisms.
Relax. I am just playing, this place is getting far too uptight (I mean in general). I have no desire or intent to upset anyone, my tongue was very firmly placed in cheek.

If you want a serious reply though it goes both ways, because the people backing the move were always going to back it. Which is why I didn’t specify a side as there are valid points either way, hence I’m sitting on the fence until I know more.
 
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A name I've seen pop up from time to time is LHD Valimaki in Calgary. Can't say I remember seeing him play, so he may be dreadful. But just "stat gazing", he could be an interesting target that should not cost a crap load of assets. Though never mind if he's horrible.
 
I know what’s he’s doing in the AHL and what’s he’s done here.. granted it’s been a small sample size. The kid is suppose to be our 4C of the future but I think Akil will seize that from him.
Also, stats don’t really tell the whole story with JAD. He looks good but he can get really careless with his passes and awareness. I would trade for Crouse though not sure if trade JAD just yet.
The point of that post seemed to be missed, so I will clarify it. It would be dealing a higher-valued prospect (JAD) for a more experienced role player (Crouse) who would need a pricier extension at the additional cost of a very similar role player (Grundstrom) who is already here, costs less, and would be then moved out since his position was just made redundant despite similar enough production.

Essentially two young players for an older, 25 point winger. Just a rearrangement of the furniture for a better "name" without changing a damn thing for the better. Activity for activity's sake.
 
A name I've seen pop up from time to time is LHD Valimaki in Calgary. Can't say I remember seeing him play, so he may be dreadful. But just "stat gazing", he could be an interesting target that should not cost a crap load of assets. Though never mind if he's horrible.

yup he could be a decent fit, however i would want someone more proven. Otherwise why not just stick with Clague...oh ya. Well replace clague with other internal candidates.
 
The point of that post seemed to be missed, so I will clarify it. It would be dealing a higher-valued prospect (JAD) for a more experienced role player (Crouse) who would need a pricier extension at the additional cost of a very similar role player (Grundstrom) who is already here, costs less, and would be then moved out since his position was just made redundant despite similar enough production.

Essentially two young players for an older, 25 point winger. Just a rearrangement of the furniture for a better "name" without changing a damn thing for the better. Activity for activity's sake.
That’s incorrect, I’m not as high on JAD as others, so to be able to bring in a big version of Pepe for the bottom 6 is acceptable to me.
 
That’s incorrect, I’m not as high on JAD as others, so to be able to bring in a big version of Pepe for the bottom 6 is acceptable to me.
Crouse doesn’t bring anything to the bottom 6 that is worth the cost of acquisition. Not near the sandpaper of Lemmy, so that point is moot.

If there is one thing this organization absolutely does not need to acquire more of, it’s bottom 6 players. Followed closely by RHD.
 
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JAD should be used to bring in a LHD or as part of a package of an upgrade elsewhere. Love him but I do not see how there is room for him with the Kings longterm.
Someone brought up Valimaki and i think JAD would be a prefect fit for a calgary team in need of a bottom 6 centre.
 
But I get it, you want to be negative because Luc did something and you can't stand Luc.....so it doesn't really what if anything he does, it just gives you an excuse to bitch.

See, this is where you are 100% wrong and you angrily act like a jerk towards several people based on this assumption.

I, myself, don't dislike Luc or Blake. I dislike components of what they've done. But I've largely been defending Blake especially up until this season.

This season, the Kings need to get younger and better, especially in key roles.

They are admittedly competing for the playoffs, which is good. The question is, after the current vets are retired/unable to carry a team, are we confident the youth will be prepared to carry the torch to continue being competitive?

As far as top-6 forwards, I don't have that confidence yet with prospects, for reasons previously discussed ad nauseam.

With Luc bringing in a friend, it's not necessarily bad he brings in a friend. For example, if he brought in Steve Yzerman, who at least has cup wins as an executive (though I have qualms about his body of work).

Conversely, if Luc brought in Chiarelli, I won't be happy just because he's an "outsider." And that's because Chiarelli's body of work is terrible.

There are people with specific issues with management and/or decisions. That doesn't mean they dislike Blake or Luc. However, even if they do, it doesn't make the points wrong. The sooner you recognize and differentiate that, the better your discussion experience would be.

I do not like Bergevin. I may like some moves he did. I may like his contributions to LA - I'm willing to concede if his contributions are largely beneficial. As of now, though, I don't like it. I would dislike it if Lombardi brought him in. But just like the rest of the staff, all I can do is have an initial response and evaluate on his body of work based on the data brought our way.
 
See, this is where you are 100% wrong and you angrily act like a jerk towards several people based on this assumption.

I, myself, don't dislike Luc or Blake. I dislike components of what they've done. But I've largely been defending Blake especially up until this season.

This season, the Kings need to get younger and better, especially in key roles.

They are admittedly competing for the playoffs, which is good. The question is, after the current vets are retired/unable to carry a team, are we confident the youth will be prepared to carry the torch to continue being competitive?

As far as top-6 forwards, I don't have that confidence yet with prospects, for reasons previously discussed ad nauseam.

With Luc bringing in a friend, it's not necessarily bad he brings in a friend. For example, if he brought in Steve Yzerman, who at least has cup wins as an executive (though I have qualms about his body of work).

Conversely, if Luc brought in Chiarelli, I won't be happy just because he's an "outsider." And that's because Chiarelli's body of work is terrible.

There are people with specific issues with management and/or decisions. That doesn't mean they dislike Blake or Luc. However, even if they do, it doesn't make the points wrong. The sooner you recognize and differentiate that, the better your discussion experience would be.

I do not like Bergevin. I may like some moves he did. I may like his contributions to LA - I'm willing to concede if his contributions are largely beneficial. As of now, though, I don't like it. I would dislike it if Lombardi brought him in. But just like the rest of the staff, all I can do is have an initial response and evaluate on his body of work based on the data brought our way.

Fair enough, all I've read on here, is how he has destroyed...the Habs......how...he never had a long term vision, (though they conveniently left out the market pressures in Montreal) that's all conjecture AT BEST.... and it stems from..... He's Lucs friend....

The initial response from everyone should be.....interesting, let's see where it goes, I'm with you on this, since no one asked, I don't really care about Bergevin, can be be good, sure, can he suck donkey balls, absolutely, I'm just not willing to default to the 2nd option based on him being friends with someone.
 
Crouse doesn’t bring anything to the bottom 6 that is worth the cost of acquisition. Not near the sandpaper of Lemmy, so that point is moot.

If there is one thing this organization absolutely does not need to acquire more of, it’s bottom 6 players. Followed closely by RHD.
He brings more than enough grit to be valuable in the bottom 6 especially if Pepe is in the box. This team is as tough as wet toilet paper! Having someone that able to backup their teammates shouldn’t just be left up to Pepe. He’s also growing as a scorer to add to his size and grit which he actually has.
As for the cost, JAD might be a bit much but I’m sure most here wouldn’t cry about it.. hell, if they accepted Tonka & Lias for Crouse I’d do that too
 
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I think Bergevin will have a shorter and less impactful tenure than Hextall. Maybe his fingers are on one trade around the deadline or at the draft at the latest. There is no way he sways the ledger on moving a major piece. I doubt he’s physically in LA more than a couple days before he moves onto his next job. Just long enough to scout some property in Newport Beach.

My bet is he sticks around to learn all the Kings moves and then jumps over to Anaheim and proceeds to draft all the guys on Yanettis board. The only moral to this story is the BLuc good old boys club is well entrenched for a decade of at best mediocre results. I thought the return to a normal schedule would cement BLucs fate, but it looks like each new wave has given the excuse making industry vital injections.
 
Crouse definitely gives us the size factor and he's pretty good around the net. Didn't know that guy was a first round pick. Has Arizona indicated that he's available?

Helenius is probably still a couple of years away.
 
A name I've seen pop up from time to time is LHD Valimaki in Calgary. Can't say I remember seeing him play, so he may be dreadful. But just "stat gazing", he could be an interesting target that should not cost a crap load of assets. Though never mind if he's horrible.
Oh yeah, Sutter hates offensive D. Remember Martinez trying to make the team under Sutter? Good times.
 
Everybody complains about old boys club so I decided to look at Detroit since Yzerman is a genius.

Pat Verbeek AGM
Niklas Kronwall Director of European player development
Jiri Fisher associate director of player personnel
Dan Cleary assistant director of player development
Kirk Maltby pro scout
Chris Yzerman pro scout
Kris Draper director of amateur scouting.

That’s a lot of former teammates and Red Wings, are they all qualified? Surely he isn’t just hiring his friends like BLuc.
 
He brings more than enough grit to be valuable in the bottom 6 especially if Pepe is in the box. This team is as tough as wet toilet paper! Having someone that able to backup their teammates shouldn’t just be left up to Pepe. He’s also growing as a scorer to add to his size and grit which he actually has.
As for the cost, JAD might be a bit much but I’m sure most here wouldn’t cry about it.. hell, if they accepted Tonka & Lias for Crouse I’d do that too
At the very best:

Crouse. Is. Redundant.
 
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