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Speculation: 2021-22 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread Part VI

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GoldenBearHockey said:
Let's find out

Here was the original list....so 18...and 10 of them were top 10 picks, so slightly over half.....not really a false equivalency, considering the past few drafts there were 30 players taken in the top 10, 8 F in 2020, 7 in 2019, 6 in 2021, 6 in 2019 etc, still not really a false equivalency, but love the post.

Anaheim - Zegras - 9th OA
Arizona - Hayton - 5th OA
Boston - NONE
Buffalo - Before Tuch was available, Cozens, don't know what the future holds yet as far as ice time - Cozens - 7th OA
Calgary - NONE
Carolina - Svechkinkov - #2 OA, Necas - #12 OAat 22 is the other closest
Chicago - Dach - #3 OA
Colorado - NONE
Columbus - Texier (22) - #45 OA
Dallas - Robertson (22) - #39 OA
Detroit - Raymond - #4 OA
Edmonton - NONE
Florida - Lundell - #12 OA
L.A. - NONE
Minnesota - NONE
Montreal - NONE
Nashville - NONE
New Jersey - Hischier #1 OA (22) Hughes #1 OA, Mercer #18 OA
New York Isles - NONE
New York Rags - Kaako - #2 OA
Ottawa - Norris (22) - #19 OA , Stultze - #3OA
Philadelphia - Farabee - #14 OA
Pittsburg - NONE
San Jose - NONE
Seattle - NONE
St. Louis - Thomas (22) - #20 OA
Tampa Bay - NONE
Toronto - NONE
Vancouver - NONE
Vegas - NONE
Washington - NONE
Winnipeg - NONE
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Lol what? According to you numbers, 10 of 24 top 10 picks in the last 4 not picked by the Kings are already top line players!? Aka 40+%?!?
 
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KingLB said:
No he isn’t! It’s a false equivalency because there aren’t 186 top 10 picks in the last 4 years! There were 26! And of the 26, 40% are already top line players!? Meaning Blake is wayyy of base.
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And why cherry pick the years?

The huge majority of teams with the capped NONE did feature top ten forward picks slotting into top 6 roles immediately within that same age range. THAT is the model you want to follow.
 
It is rare for a player to Earn a top six position right out of the draft. Teams like Ott, AZ, Buf run rokkies in the top 6 to distract their fans from team failings.
 
I can't believe we're still indulging this line of thinking when the complaint is the nuance, not just raw 'give them all spots immediately'

Like imagine putting Patrik laine on the 4th line because he has to 'earn it.'

He's not that kind of player. He'll never be that kind of player. In fact, the more you try to turn him into that kind of player, the further away from the special player he currently is, he will become. Development isn't one size fits all and we need to stop talking about it that way. The generalities aren't helpful and they cause unwinnable arguments that last for pages.
 
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Jungle Boy said:
Blake should try a 3 way deal involving Kopitar to
Get Chychrun
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Never gonna happen but they have to be thinking the time to move on to new leadership is nearing. At least make his role smaller. Hes still good but cant carry a team anymore and have the offense run through him for every powerplay, pulled goalie, end of period etc…
Brown was on the third line tonight and his footspeed and decision making was far less of a factor and he even scored a nice goal.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
I can't believe we're still indulging this line of thinking when the complaint is the nuance, not just raw 'give them all spots immediately'

Like imagine putting Patrik laine on the 4th line because he has to 'earn it.'
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Or Auston Matthews, Sidney Crosby, Connor McDavid, Phil Kessel, Nick Backstrom, Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane, Kyle Turris, Jakub Voracek, Steven Stamkos, John Tavares, Matt Duchene, Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Gabriel Landeskog, Jonathan Huberdeau, Nathan MacKinnon, Aleksander Barkov, Sean Monahan, Sam Reinhart, Nikolaj Ehlers, Sam Bennett, Jack Eichel, Mitch Marner, Pierre-Luc Dubois, Matthew Tkachuk, Clayton Keller, Nico Hischier, Elias Petterson...

I stopped at the 2017 draft. But the above list are all forwards taken in the top 10 since 2005 who were regulars in the NHL by their 20th birthday AND in the top half of average time on ice among forwards on their team. I also omitted some, such as Rantanen and Ovechkin, since his birthday was so early in the season.

That's a lot of unicorns. So sad they were all ruined by being thrown in the top-6 at a young age.
 
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If we're trading Kopitar, hopefully it's to Colorado with 50% retention for Byram.
 
King'sPawn said:
Or Auston Matthews, Sidney Crosby, Connor McDavid, Phil Kessel, Nick Backstrom, Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane, Kyle Turris, Jakub Voracek, Steven Stamkos, John Tavares, Matt Duchene, Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Gabriel Landeskog, Jonathan Huberdeau, Nathan MacKinnon, Aleksander Barkov, Sean Monahan, Sam Reinhart, Nikolaj Ehlers, Sam Bennett, Jack Eichel, Mitch Marner, Pierre-Luc Dubois, Matthew Tkachuk, Clayton Keller, Nico Hischier, Elias Petterson...

I stopped at the 2017 draft. But the above list are all forwards taken in the top 10 since 2005 who were regulars in the NHL by their 20th birthday AND in the top half of average time on ice among forwards on their team. I also omitted some, such as Rantanen and Ovechkin, since his birthday was so early in the season.

That's a lot of unicorns. So sad they were all ruined by being thrown in the top-6 at a young age.
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I guess, as usual, my complaint isn't so much with different philosophies as it is binary thinking.
 
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Does anyone have any idea how to get this site to stop refreshing. I can’t even type anything anymore as it refreshes and erases everything. So annoying.
 
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Got to take into account we didn’t draft for 10 years around our Stanley cup run

When we started drafting it was later round picks in Kupari and Kempe. Kempe is just breaking into his or no seven years later.

recently

Byfield was considered a top pick that needed some time to develop. Kings are trying to get him up but he keeps getting injured sick etc.

Turcotte can’t string together a dozen games without getting hurt.

Kaliyev was always known for offense but many scouts thought he had too many warts To play in the NHL

Vilardi blew up his back, was handed a top six roll to fast and it backfired.

Who exactly do you think should go right into a top six position for us? It’s not like we drafted a McDavid or a Matthews.
 
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johnjm22 said:
All this tells us is that you don't understand how to interpret shooting % stats in hockey.

That being said, his career S% in the NHL is 11.7%.
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According to the original poster -for the post that I was replying to- he had roughly 4 shots a game over 118 games and had 18 career goals. What do you suppose his shooting percentage would be with those numbers? Please enlighten me.
 
funky said:
Got to take into account we didn’t draft for 10 years around our Stanley cup run

When we started drafting it was later round picks in Kupari and Kempe. Kempe is just breaking into his or no seven years later.

recently

Byfield was considered a top pick that needed some time to develop. Kings are trying to get him up but he keeps getting injured sick etc.

Turcotte can’t string together a dozen games without getting hurt.

Kaliyev was always known for offense but many scouts thought he had too many warts To play in the NHL

Vilardi blew up his back, was handed a top six roll to fast and it backfired.

Who exactly do you think should go right into a top six position for us? It’s not like we drafted a McDavid or a Matthews.
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That was just top-10 picks. As you saw, about 30-ish.

Then there are picks 11+ who get opportunities by the age of 20.

I'll concede more time to develop isn't unusual, but it's not like the Kings drafted zero forwards while they were competitive. There are also players who were "rushed" and they didn't develop into NHLers as a result.

The point is you can't put all young forwards in a cookie cutter and try to develop them all the exact same. Not every forward has to "round out" his game. Just like not all defensemen have to be offensive threats.
 
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funky said:
Does anyone have any idea how to get this site to stop refreshing. I can’t even type anything anymore as it refreshes and erases everything. So annoying.
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Ah, the KINGS17 refresh app. PM me 0.1 bitcoin and I will let you know how to disable the app.

I haven't been having this problem using chrome. Maybe it's a setting in hf that got wonked up for you.
 
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It seems that the Kings aren't trying to develop these kids into what they could be, they're developing them into what they want them to be. That's going to take longer and I don't have a lot of faith in players reaching their offensive ceilings because of it. Look, even Kopitar breaking in his first few seasons he was allowed to freewheel on offense a lot under Crawford before Terry Murray got his hooks in him for 2 way responsibility. Sometimes you need to bend the rules for your special talents. If you don't think your talents are special enough to tweak your system, then you've done a shit job drafting and developing.
 
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I do think the Kings will/would traditionally be down here a little bit anyway due to lack of creativity/finish but I also expect this to correct a little bit between health, a softer schedule, and some better luck. Either way, it's a good sign.
 
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