Speculation: 2021-22 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster discussion part III

[kinghock]

im going to lay this out as easy as possible because the whole injury thing seems to cause a lot of misunderstanding.

Jack Eichel needs surgery,

there is not one sole surgery option.

he demands a new surgery no hockey player has received and Sabres doctors will not sign off on it.

there are more proven surgical options. They want one of those.

both sides agreed to the rest period.

neither side (Jack or Sabres doctors) have changed their mind nor will they.

any team acquiring him will already know if their doctors are on board with his surgery choice. If they aren’t…I can’t imagine they’d even make a call. Unless…the demand is just to get out of Buffalo without having to be the bad guy who demanded a trade and he will do whatever the next team’s doctors suggest…such as a more standard and proven surgery.

Buffalo wants Eichel to have more proven surgical options, but this surgery performed on hockey player can limit Eichel career to only 3.5 more years after it is done.
Basically there is no good option is available.

 

[Cook24]

Landeskog= healthy Deadmarsh

Yes.

 

[unicornpig]

landeskog would be to expensive, no thanks.

 

[tbrown33]

On the other hand, Reinhart was pretty cheap

So were Buchnevich and Arvidsson. Clearly a premium on (experienced) dmen

 

[Reclamation Project]

By the time the Kings are actual contenders (hopefully) Landeskog will be a 40 point injured 33 year old third line geezer with an 8.5 million albatross hit against our cap. PASS!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

For those concerned about toughness and losing MacD and Boko (who was never going to play in the NHL), Kurtis Gabriel is a free agent.

 

[KingLB]

By the time the Kings are actual contenders (hopefully) Landeskog will be a 40 point injured 33 year old third line geezer with an 8.5 million albatross hit against our cap. PASS!

Agree, in LA we were lucky enough to watch how Richards and Brown, and even Kesler and Perry just completely fell off a cliff due to their play style. It’s great while it lasts, unfortunately it’s a similar career arc to NFL running backs.

 

[Docgonzo]

Landeskog and Danault would be great adds, but only on 3 year deals. Anything more is bad, but that’s what they would want. Right as the team rises they’ll start to decline.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Buffalo wants Eichel to have more proven surgical options, but this surgery performed on hockey player can limit Eichel career to only 3.5 more years after it is done.
Basically there is no good option is available.

Craig Button on SXM on Friday mentioned he'd trade Byfield for Eichel. This is the first time I've heard anyone propose that trade seriously and say they'd do it. I wouldn't. Straight up at this point I'd put my money on Byfield. We're all guilty (definitely myself included) of forgetting he's only 18 and has gone through a crazy last year. I really think he'll be a 1,000 point player like Kopitar. I expect him to take another 3 years to really start dominating, but he's going to be a very special player.

 

[FrozenKing18]

As much as I want Landeskog, no way he signs here.

 

[johnjm22]

Post Doughty signing, every move, every contract Blake has signed, has been pretty conservative and safe.

We saw that again with Arvidsson. Cheap acquisition cost. He's on a very reasonable deal (3 years, 4.25M per).

I expect that trend to continue into free agency. 3 to 4 years, at a 4M to 5M is the biggest contract I could see the Kings handing out.

 

[kilowatt]

I think Danault is a really good option for us. I'd love for his line to take the tough matchups instead of Kopitar. If that means moving Vilardi or JAD to wing, so be it. In fact, I'd love to see Vilardi play with Kopitar. I think he'd be something special. Adding in Saad to the mix would make this a really competent team.

Arvidsson - Kopitar - Vilardi
Iafallo - Byfield - Saad
Andersson - Danault - Brown
Grundstrom - JAD - Moore

I also wouldn't mind exploring a trade scenario in which Kempe returns a top four LHD. Kempe + Durzi for Morgan Reilly would be ideal.

Reilly - Doughty
Bjornfot - Roy
Anderson - Walker

 

[FSL KINGS]

So Vilardi. How do people feel using Vilardi as a base to trade for an extended Morgan Reilly or Werenski? Kings could sign Danault & still have Turcotte coming.

TO is in the rumors considering bringing Dougie in. They need a LW & maybe a 3C improvement.

CBJ is seeing about extending Werenski. Being an RFA & a couple seasons from UFA, CBJ needs to know if he will stay long term. After trading half the team (not literally) , that may not be likely.

TO depends on Hamilton signing.
CBJ depends on Werenski wanting out.
Both depend on the players signing long term in LA.

Button on Byfield, sure, I'd consider Eichel for Byfield + Maatta +AA + Luff. 4 pieces right?

 

[FSL KINGS]

I think Danault is a really good option for us. I'd love for his line to take the tough matchups instead of Kopitar. If that means moving Vilardi or JAD to wing, so be it. In fact, I'd love to see Vilardi play with Kopitar. I think he'd be something special. Adding in Saad to the mix would make this a really competent team.

Arvidsson - Kopitar - Vilardi
Iafallo - Byfield - Saad
Andersson - Danault - Brown
Grundstrom - JAD - Moore

I also wouldn't mind exploring a trade scenario in which Kempe returns a top four LHD. Kempe + Durzi for Morgan Reilly would be ideal.

Reilly - Doughty
Bjornfot - Roy
Anderson - Walker

Kempe + Durzi is much better than Vilardi for Reilly!

 

[johnjm22]

I like Danault, but he's one of those players that gets overrated because of a recent cup run.

He turned down a 6 year 30M deal already. His best seasons are likely behind him.

We have Akil, JAD, Turcotte, Vilardi in the system already.

A major NO on Danault.

 

[kilowatt]

I like Danault, but he's one of those players that gets overrated because of a recent cup run.

He turned down a 6 year 30M deal already. His best seasons are likely behind him.

We have Akil, JAD, Turcotte, Vilardi in the system already.

A major NO on Danault.

I'm opposed to Danault on anything more than $24 million. Whether thats $4 million for 6 years or $6 million for 4 years, I'm fine. Anything beyond that and I think it's too much for too long. I expect to be outbid.

 

[johnjm22]

I'm opposed to Danault on anything more than $24 million. Whether thats $4 million for 6 years or $6 million for 4 years, I'm fine. Anything beyond that and I think it's too much for too long. I expect to be outbid.

I would be willing to overpay him on a very short term deal. That's it.

But from his perspective, this is his one big chance to cash in. He'll never have a better opportunity than now. So he wants a big long fat contract, and that doesn't make sense for LA.

It's like a relationship, it's got to work for both parties. I'm swiping left on Danault.

 

[Kudelski37]

I would not trade for Eichel due to his back. Disc problems come back if they are from normal use and not an accident.

I'm not trading Byfield or Vilardi. Byfield will be a beast for a decade. Vilardi will be much improved this year.

As for free agents, I think Blake will only sign someone for three years or less to have as much cap space available when the prospects need new contracts.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

I would not trade for Eichel due to his back. Disc problems come back if they are from normal use and not an accident.

I'm not trading Byfield or Vilardi. Byfield will be a beast for a decade. Vilardi will be much improved this year.

As for free agents, I think Blake will only sign someone for three years or less to have as much cap space available when the prospects need new contracts.

Vilardi has disk issues but we've seen him come back. I'd swap him, Bjornfort and a 22 first. That's my first and final offer to Buffalo.

 

[illegal_stick]

I like Danault, but he's one of those players that gets overrated because of a recent cup run.

He turned down a 6 year 30M deal already. His best seasons are likely behind him.

We have Akil, JAD, Turcotte, Vilardi in the system already.

A major NO on Danault.

Was going to say the same, cup run on one of the more "famous" teams, think his stock is a lot higher than his actual talent. Someone will overpay, hope it's not us.

 

[illegal_stick]

Craig Button on SXM on Friday mentioned he'd trade Byfield for Eichel. This is the first time I've heard anyone propose that trade seriously and say they'd do it. I wouldn't. Straight up at this point I'd put my money on Byfield. We're all guilty (definitely myself included) of forgetting he's only 18 and has gone through a crazy last year. I really think he'll be a 1,000 point player like Kopitar. I expect him to take another 3 years to really start dominating, but he's going to be a very special player.

If he's in perfect health and just not happy with his team, then you do it. Right now, Byfield could be a flop, but so could Eichel with the injury, so it's a non-starter. Byfield will be great, just hope there is patience in the fanbase.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Craig Button on SXM on Friday mentioned he'd trade Byfield for Eichel. This is the first time I've heard anyone propose that trade seriously and say they'd do it. I wouldn't. Straight up at this point I'd put my money on Byfield. We're all guilty (definitely myself included) of forgetting he's only 18 and has gone through a crazy last year. I really think he'll be a 1,000 point player like Kopitar. I expect him to take another 3 years to really start dominating, but he's going to be a very special player.

I don't usually agree with Button, and it feels dirty just thinking about it, but he was talking mostly Byfield alone for Eichel. If it's Byfield plus other things, no. If it's just him, and the Kings can keep every other asset they have, that wouldn't be an easy trade to turn down. You'd at least have to get off the phone with Buffalo, talk amongst yourselves for 5 minutes, and then maybe reject it.

 

[illegal_stick]

By the time the Kings are actual contenders (hopefully) Landeskog will be a 40 point injured 33 year old third line geezer with an 8.5 million albatross hit against our cap. PASS!

That's AEG's problem, they can buy him out when that happens. I get what you're saying and would normally think the same, but now watching all these teams always find a way to get out of their cap problems, one way or another, I say go for it.

 

[kinghock]

Craig Button on SXM on Friday mentioned he'd trade Byfield for Eichel. This is the first time I've heard anyone propose that trade seriously and say they'd do it. I wouldn't. Straight up at this point I'd put my money on Byfield. We're all guilty (definitely myself included) of forgetting he's only 18 and has gone through a crazy last year. I really think he'll be a 1,000 point player like Kopitar. I expect him to take another 3 years to really start dominating, but he's going to be a very special player.

Craig Button is entitle to speculate regarding value of healthy Eichel without knowing actual state of health for this player.
He is getting paid for it.
What I have gathered on internet regarding Eichel health status is very alarming.
He definitely needs surgery,
Proven surgical options called fusion, performed on hockey player will limit Eichel career to only 3.5 more years after it is done.
Experimental surgery has no known side effects so far just because it was never performed on hockey player.
I believe in Eichel case risk factor outweighs benefits by huge margin.
I will not trade for Eichel period.

Eichel Injury Discussion with Dr Alex aka The Thigh Doctor - YouTube

 

[RocketKing]

Craig Button is entitle to speculate regarding value of healthy Eichel without knowing actual state of health for this player.
He is getting paid for it.
What I have gathered on internet regarding Eichel health status is very alarming.
He definitely needs surgery,
Proven surgical options called fusion, performed on hockey player will limit Eichel career to only 3.5 more years after it is done.
Experimental surgery has no known side effects so far just because it was never performed on hockey player.
I believe in Eichel case risk factor outweighs benefits by huge margin.
I will not trade for Eichel period.

Eichel Injury Discussion with Dr Alex aka The Thigh Doctor - YouTube

Eichle was a top 10 talent. But Eichle today is damaged goods. Disc replacement surgery is some extremely serious stuff. Not the sort of problem we need right now in LA.