HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[Egresch]

In off season would Malkin be answer for 2C? He be 39, one season left around 50 points. Buys time for Beck, Kapanen, Hage and probably our first pick this draft to mature. He's Russian put him on line with Demidov. We give up a young player like Newhook.

If we could get (probably) 1 year of Malkin for Newhook, I would do it. I am afraid we would need to add something, Newhook is on pace for 22 pts season and does not bring anything other than speed.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

He played a hell of game.

This isn't me being a white knight for Monty, but it's probably best to be honest when you post things.

I mean Georges Laraque also scored a hat trick with the Oilers , that still makes him an ahler

I mean some nights everything goes perfect for ya. Like Dach scoring on a empty net rebound.

 

[Habssince89]

Malkin I think would thrive on our PP. Left Hand shot too. He would probably help Slaf a bit too as a power forward mentor.

Caufield-Suzuki-Slafkovsky
Laine-Malkin-Demidov

let's go....(no idea what we'd be giving up to get him lol)

 

[Weltschmerz]

I'm still dreaming about adding Tage Thompson. I wonder how he feels about his teammates doing nothing when he got brutally headshotted.

He didn't do anything either when they hit Peterka in the head first game of the season, sabres are just soft. Even Ruff is getting old, in former times he send out the goons when Chris Neil hit Drury.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Oooffff...

Lol... 2C will likely have to be filled through draft/prospects... Serious question though - would you trade Slaf (plus some picks maybe) for a legit 2C?

I would not trade Slaf. Could burn us badly. Slaf is that big frame that skates well and is physical when he needs to be. A piece we need.

Rather take my chances with Hage and figure it out in the meantime. Basically our hopes lies with Hage for 2C and then Reinbacher/Mailloux for our top 4RD's. Mailloux seems to be pegged like Barron and I'm not sure it plays out that way. Possible, but we must remain patient. Not all players develop the same way.

Our best pitch for a 2C is to use Dach and our 1st rounders. However, Who's that 2C, How old is he, and is he the right guy for us. I just don't see teams trading that type of piece to often. Someone like Pettersson looked to be available but then you look at his cap and what he is doing in the 1st contract and it makes you wonder if he is worth it. Then you wonder what we have to trade to get him. Probably Slaf and other pieces.

Probably says we fill our holes through the draft vs trades or UFA.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Wth r u talking about? R u suggesting whether or not "we" should take an insane offer of Cowen and a 1st to part ways with our 28yo UFA 4C Evans? A player who (while responsible) is a dime a dozen on many teams?
Cmon man, how can we call ourselves an educated fan base with these types of takes?

I guess you are on the bandwagon party where Evans is not going to be sought after by several contenders and won't be offered any 1st rounders. I'm not on that bandwagon so you got to consider that the evaluations are not the same with Evans. Make fun of it if you wish, but that is your prerogative, not mine.

Evans will be offered a late 1st from 1-3 teams IMO. The one who gets him offers the 2nd piece (B or B+ prospect). I don't think the Leafs 2026 1st and Cowen will be far off from what we get (if we trade Evans). I can see several teams circle Evans as a target and this is a Lehkonen situation... they have plans to extend and not just be a rental.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If we could get (probably) 1 year of Malkin for Newhook, I would do it. I am afraid we would need to add something, Newhook is on pace for 22 pts season and does not bring anything other than speed.

I like Newhook but he's on the smaller side and doesn't win much puck battles. He has moments of brilliance and then disappears. This Dec-Jan push to get in the mix was impressive but loosing 5 in a row might have been for the best for us! Lets stay put unless it's a deal we can't refuse.

Keep Newhook and consider flipping him when he is more mature and closer to the end of his bridge. 2 more years to go at $2.9M and I like having this W/C type on our roster in case of injuries. His trade value won't go down IMO.

Whoever we bring in, we need to consider that it's a 3-5 year solution and fits our core.

 

[Treb]

Im not sold on Hage as a viable 2C until i see him in an NHL game.. at the moment he's showing he has the ability, but his production has tanked.. sure UM isn't stacked like BC or BU, but a legit NHL 2C should have stellar stats at the NCAA level.. it's not looking good for him atm.. hopefully he can start showing some form of "dominance" this year or next.. otherwise id be more than happy to trade him for a ready-now (25yo) 2C..

Dach is not a top 6.. he'd make a reasonably good 3rd line winger if his ego would permit it. Such a shame he didn't improve his IQ while he rehabbed last year. These "NHL wannabes" just dont get it: every shift, every game, every practice. You are being paid millions - wake tf up!!!

This is a dystopian take on Hage's season. He's 2nd in the NCAA in points for U19 (behind Hagens who will likely be a top3 pick in this draft, maybe #1) ahead of players drafted before him. He's 2nd on his team to a 23 years old in his 3rd NCAA season.

He's having a very good season.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Im not sold on Hage as a viable 2C until i see him in an NHL game.. at the moment he's showing he has the ability, but his production has tanked.. sure UM isn't stacked like BC or BU, but a legit NHL 2C should have stellar stats at the NCAA level.. it's not looking good for him atm.. hopefully he can start showing some form of "dominance" this year or next.. otherwise id be more than happy to trade him for a ready-now (25yo) 2C..

Dach is not a top 6.. he'd make a reasonably good 3rd line winger if his ego would permit it. Such a shame he didn't improve his IQ while he rehabbed last year. These "NHL wannabes" just dont get it: every shift, every game, every practice. You are being paid millions - wake tf up!!!

Not all prospects make it or reach potential, but what you want is them to have good development and continue to improve. Hage has been better than advertised (from draft day). He's a big leader on his team at age 18 and it's not a stacked team either. That is a good sign.

Contenders with less holes can trade a piece like Hage. A rebuilding Habs can not. We must see how he looks when he turns pro.

Dach will be fine but the problem is how long it will take him. He's on that age 25+ maturity train so many guys are on and I fear we don't have the patience for it. Dach is more like a powerforward winger than a center to me. I said that for a while now.

 

[Egresch]

Whoever we bring in, we need to consider that it's a 3-5 year solution and fits our core.

I do not agree. This team has shown some promise and I think they deserve some help in the summer. Some helpful vets who can be here for 2-3 years. Offer 2x6M to Duchene, so he can be our temporary solution on 2C and Dach, Newhook can be move to 3rd line. We need vets who can still play and not guys like Savard, Gally.

 

[Benstheman]

I like Newhook but he's on the smaller side and doesn't win much puck battles. He has moments of brilliance and then disappears. This Dec-Jan push to get in the mix was impressive but loosing 5 in a row might have been for the best for us! Lets stay put unless it's a deal we can't refuse.

Keep Newhook and consider flipping him when he is more mature and closer to the end of his bridge. 2 more years to go at $2.9M and I like having this W/C type on our roster in case of injuries. His trade value won't go down IMO.

Whoever we bring in, we need to consider that it's a 3-5 year solution and fits our core.

The 3 games i decided to give more attention to Newhook's play I noticed one big problem. He is not able to make plays without looking at the puck but almost never look at the puck because he is afraid of the physicality of the game. He fumbles the puck ALOT. He can't win puck battles and this is a big reason win. Also he is not very big so he can't bully his way out with the puck.

Though when his speed give him enough separation, that's where he can make solid plays.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I do not agree. This team has shown some promise and I think they deserve some help in the summer. Some helpful vets who can be here for 2-3 years. Offer 2x6M to Duchene, so he can be our temporary solution on 2C and Dach, Newhook can be move to 3rd line. We need vets who can still play and not guys like Savard, Gally.

We have to be careful with protecting our rebuild but also protecting Suzuki's prime and his value contract. It would be a shame if we are still looking for a 2C and a top 4RD in 5 years time.

I feel Gorton and Hughes see it the same as most of us fans. They might be staying a little patient but I don't see them sitting back for years. We can still go after guys like Duchene but also focus on draft/development at the same time. Both can happen and probably should happen.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The 3 games i decided to give more attention to Newhook's play I noticed one big problem. He is not able to make plays without looking at the puck but almost never look at the puck because he is afraid of the physicality of the game. He fumbles the puck ALOT. He can't win puck battles and this is a big reason win. Also he is not very big so he can't bully his way out with the puck.

Though when his speed give him enough separation, that's where he can make solid plays.

Agreed. He's an open space type and the best spot for him is 3rd line. I don't mind having him around (center insurance for injuries) but he's a 3rd liner. I would use him as a winger to either Beck or Kapanen on the 4th line next year (probably Beck). He's our stop gap piece for now.

Guys like this become journeymen when you look back in their career. He's probably not on our team past this bridge. It's OK but we can't be using him as a 2nd like solution. For now, we have too.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Lets look at teams in the middle pack that we think might rebuild? Who are those teams and do they have a player they would rather trade for picks?

Would Dach and both 1st round picks get you Horvat? What does our herd think about Horvat as our 2C? Great faceoff guy

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

We will be lucky to get a 4th round pick for Savard

Savard easily returns a 4th pretty sure we can get a 2nd for him

 

[sampollock]

Savard easily returns a 4th pretty sure we can get a 2nd for him

yup
a 4th I would hang up and keep him

 

[expy]

yup
a 4th I would hang up and keep him

He'd have to take a salary cut by around half at minimum.

 

[Kosseca]

Trade Savard for the best pick possible. talk to him next summer about signing a 1yr deal for the 7th Dman role.
Trade Dvorak....
Trade Armia...
Sign Evans

See if Gally can be traded.

Bring Reinbacher as 6th D
Bring two of Condotta/RHP/Gignac/ABB

Keep kids in Laval with bigger role.

Offseason:
Bring Demidov and Kapanen over.
explore trade for Matheson vs RD partner for Hutson/Guhle
trade for a 2C.


CC - Suzuki - Slaf
Dach - trade - Demidov
Laine - Newhook - Heineman
Kapanen - Evans - Anderson


Guhle - trade
Hutson - Reinbacher
Xhakaj - Carrier

Monty
Doubs

 

[waitin425]

Lets look at teams in the middle pack that we think might rebuild? Who are those teams and do they have a player they would rather trade for picks?

Would Dach and both 1st round picks get you Horvat? What does our herd think about Horvat as our 2C? Great faceoff guy

Turns 30 this year. Could slide by 33 years old. Doesn't fit with timeline of other pieces.

 

[sampollock]

habs have all these picks in their mitts.
I know I have said this before but they can use all of them.
So KH has to move them, at some point.
Cant trade for for picks (other then a #1 or 2 pick) can he??????

 

[Habs Halifax]

Turns 30 this year. Could slide by 33 years old. Doesn't fit with timeline of other pieces.

He does fit our timeline in terms of the years he is under contract. If we are going to be a contender, we are not going to have our entire roster Suzuki and under in age.

Now, lets dig into those 30+ years and any potential massive decline. He's signed until age 36. Are you telling me that we don't extend Suzuki to age 36 when he is 30 and needs a new contract? Players do decline a bit in their 30's but lets not push that into every player sucks past 30+. That is just not accurate. In Horvat's case, we should evaluate his skating and work ethic. I find players who decline fast in their 30's have average to below average skating (Gallagher for example). Is this applied to Horvat? I'm not sure. Need to dig into that more

Maybe a better solution is Duchene for 2 years. That would be age 34-36 years. See what I just did there? I went from Horvat (age 30-36) to Duchene (age 34-36). Duchene is a great skater so it's very possible he aged well because of his skating.

 

[Treb]

Lets look at teams in the middle pack that we think might rebuild? Who are those teams and do they have a player they would rather trade for picks?

Would Dach and both 1st round picks get you Horvat? What does our herd think about Horvat as our 2C? Great faceoff guy

Horvat is paid 8.5M until 2031 when he'll be 36 years old. He hasn't been great the last two years. No interest without at least 2M retained and I doubt NYI would retain that long without asking for a fortune.

 

[sampollock]

Horvat is paid 8.5M until 2031 when he'll be 36 years old. He hasn't been great the last two years. No interest without at least 2M retained and I doubt NYI would retain that long without asking for a fortune.

Hovart is too old.
28 is the age KH may strike at . my feelings

 

[Habs Halifax]

Horvat is paid 8.5M until 2031 when he'll be 36 years old. He hasn't been great the last two years. No interest without at least 2M retained and I doubt NYI would retain that long without asking for a fortune.

For me, it's a deeper context than just points. I have not watched Horvat enough to evaluate his skating. That's where players decline fast in their 30's. You look at Duchene and he's still very effective at age 34 today... because of his skating. Someone like Gallagher fell fast because his skating was average at best in his 20's.

Horvat is excellent on faceoffs. How would you grade his skating today at age 30? Is he getting smothered or is he driving play still? I am looking for someone who can play the 2 way game behind Suzuki and take some of the faceoff load in defensive zone draws. We missed on getting Dubois and Horvat may be a good solution for us. Like I said, I'm not afraid of the 30-36 contract if we feel Horvat's skating is stable. I would not care one bit if he puts up 50 pts or 70 pts. It's what he does in the trenches that matters the most.

 

[waitin425]

He does fit our timeline in terms of the years he is under contract. If we are going to be a contender, we are not going to have our entire roster Suzuki and under in age.

Now, lets dig into those 30+ years and any potential massive decline. He's signed until age 36. Are you telling me that we don't extend Suzuki to age 36 when he is 30 and needs a new contract? Players do decline a bit in their 30's but lets not push that into every player sucks past 30+. That is just not accurate. In Horvat's case, we should evaluate his skating and work ethic. I find players who decline fast in their 30's have average to below average skating (Gallagher for example). Is this applied to Horvat? I'm not sure. Need to dig into that more

Maybe a better solution is Duchene for 2 years. That would be age 34-36 years. See what I just did there? I went from Horvat (age 30-36) to Duchene (age 34-36). Duchene is a great skater so it's very possible he aged well because of his skating.

68 points was his ceiling. He is pacing around that right now. He costs 8.5 million. Suzuki is near PPG pace. Two different players.

I like Horvat...don't get me wrong. But if we catch him as he declines to a 55-60 point centre and by age 33-36 another 5 point drop to 50-55 points....then I say no thanks. Dach could still reach and eclipse those totals once Demidov is stapled to his side.