Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Draft Part 2

[bsu]

Raymond 2+1 today. He might take himself out of our range in the next month.

Very possible, hopefully someone falls in love with a defensemen.

 

[bsu]

The chance of getting Raymond is disappearing with every game he plays.

 

[Paul4587]

Is the SHL back? Or is it preseason?

 

[bsu]

preseason but he is playing when others are not, more to watch and more fresh I feel like he will be gone by #5

 

[Paul4587]

How is Holtz doing? Or is he not back yet?

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Reichel needs to be our second 1st if he's available

I like LW Reichel, D Barron, and D Grans with our bottom 1st rounder and top 2nd round picks. MyNHLdraft has Grans going 28th, Reichel going 30th, and Barron going 34th.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

preseason but he is playing when others are not, more to watch and more fresh I feel like he will be gone by #5

It's possible. Let's say the top 3 remains the same and Detroit takes Perfetti as many expect. Ottawa is loaded with D already and are already getting Stutzle or Byfield so I can see Raymond going there

Leaves us with Drysdale or Rossi as the consensus guys here.

I just don't want Bob to reach. Trade down if your targeting someone else

 

[Hockey Duckie]

How is Holtz doing? Or is he not back yet?

I posted a post game video interview of Holtz, where he scored 2 goals in the practice game against Almtuna. I have no idea what they're saying b/c I don't speak any Swedish. The video was posted Aug 27th, 2020.



I just don't know how to get any info on any of the practice games. On his prospect HF message board, a couple of people who have seen him in the preseason games have said he's stronger and taller.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

The upside for Holtz, IMO, could be like a Teemu Selanne-lite. Draft Dynasty compares Holtz to possibly a Steven Stamkos or Mika Zibanejad. I guess it all depends on your own opinion on Holtz' upside.

It's so difficult to compare Holtz' play at the SHL level compared to all the junior level players on NA ice.

2018-19

Against his peers (J20): 38 games for 30 goals and 17 assists, a total of 47 points (or 1.2 points per game average)​

2019-20

Against his peers (J20): 3 games for 7 goals and 2 assists, a total of 9 points (or 3.0 points per game average)
Against men almost twice his age (SHL): 35 games for 9 goals and 7 assists, a total of 16 points
(5th overall on team for goal scoring, top goal scorer had 17 goals and 14 more games played than Holtz)​

He isn't a perimeter player as there are videos out there of him scoring goals at the net. Also he did serve Raymond a fatty of an assist at the WJC while driving to the net. So you gotta take into context of who each prospect is playing against. Would Quinn have developed his deking skills playing against men or would he have been laid out trying to do that? Would Holtz have broken over 50 goals scored in 2019 if he would have been left on the J20 team?

What's weird is that Raymond and Holtz are often touted together as Sweden's top prospects, often being paired together at WJC's. Why isn't Holtz getting similar love on this board is odd.

When playing against men, many scouts acknowledged that Holtz adapted far better than Raymond did. Some scouts saw this progression to rank Holtz above Raymond. Holtz isn't getting equal credit for producing against men. In Draft Dynasty's video review, he didn't like Holtz skating at the beginning of the season, but then saw his skating improved throughout the season. Other scouts have said if Holtz can improve his first strides, then his skating will more dangerous.

Anyhow, for all defensive flaws and perimeter description of Teemu, we'd gladly take him! High-end goal scoring is costly to acquire if you don't draft one. On a powerplay, who needs a driver when you got a sniper who might be better than Silfy?! GM Murray was upset that no one on the team can finish or hit a one-timer. There's reasons why many scouting outlets have him ranked in the top-10, but a lot of people think Pontus Aberg or Daniel Sprong. Holtz is a much different beast. Teemu was drafted 10th overall, because he's just a sniper.

I like Holtz far more than Quinn because Holtz has that track record of a goal scorer whereas Quinn came out of nowhere. Also Holtz is a little taller and heavier than Quinn. With reports that Holtz looks taller and stronger, Holtz might reach his potential more.

What's odd is on a lot of mock drafts, including video mock drafts, each team Holtz is projected to the scout says that team needs his goal scoring and be a great compliment to their respective center, save the Ducks. Anaheim is one of those most starved teams in need of goal scoring, but no one really mentions Anaheim with Holtz save Duck scouting fans. hahahhaha

 

[bsu]

The upside for Holtz, IMO, could be like a Teemu Selanne-lite. Draft Dynasty compares Holtz to possibly a Steven Stamkos or Mika Zibanejad. I guess it all depends on your own opinion on Holtz' upside.

It's so difficult to compare Holtz' play at the SHL level compared to all the junior level players on NA ice.

2018-19

Against his peers (J20): 38 games for 30 goals and 17 assists, a total of 47 points (or 1.2 points per game average)​

2019-20

Against his peers (J20): 3 games for 7 goals and 2 assists, a total of 9 points (or 3.0 points per game average)
Against men almost twice his age (SHL): 35 games for 9 goals and 7 assists, a total of 16 points
(5th overall on team for goal scoring, top goal scorer had 17 goals and 14 more games played than Holtz)​

He isn't a perimeter player as there are videos out there of him scoring goals at the net. Also he did serve Raymond a fatty of an assist at the WJC while driving to the net. So you gotta take into context of who each prospect is playing against. Would Quinn have developed his deking skills playing against men or would he have been laid out trying to do that? Would Holtz have broken over 50 goals scored in 2019 if he would have been left on the J20 team?

What's weird is that Raymond and Holtz are often touted together as Sweden's top prospects, often being paired together at WJC's. Why isn't Holtz getting similar love on this board is odd.

When playing against men, many scouts acknowledged that Holtz adapted far better than Raymond did. Some scouts saw this progression to rank Holtz above Raymond. Holtz isn't getting equal credit for producing against men. In Draft Dynasty's video review, he didn't like Holtz skating at the beginning of the season, but then saw his skating improved throughout the season. Other scouts have said if Holtz can improve his first strides, then his skating will more dangerous.

Anyhow, for all defensive flaws and perimeter description of Teemu, we'd gladly take him! High-end goal scoring is costly to acquire if you don't draft one. On a powerplay, who needs a driver when you got a sniper who might be better than Silfy?! GM Murray was upset that no one on the team can finish or hit a one-timer. There's reasons why many scouting outlets have him ranked in the top-10, but a lot of people think Pontus Aberg or Daniel Sprong. Holtz is a much different beast. Teemu was drafted 10th overall, because he's just a sniper.

I like Holtz far more than Quinn because Holtz has that track record of a goal scorer whereas Quinn came out of nowhere. Also Holtz is a little taller and heavier than Quinn. With reports that Holtz looks taller and stronger, Holtz might reach his potential more.

What's odd is on a lot of mock drafts, including video mock drafts, each team Holtz is projected to the scout says that team needs his goal scoring and be a great compliment to their respective center, save the Ducks. Anaheim is one of those most starved teams in need of goal scoring, but no one really mentions Anaheim with Holtz save Duck scouting fans. hahahhaha

Ducks are starved of everything, and adding a shooter isn't going to help goal scoring if no one on our team can carry the puck. We need play drivers, play makers, and people that can take over games in multi facets of the game.

You can get shooters later in first or second round. In the top 6-8 you need difference makers in more than 1 area.

 

[DavidBL]

I seem to recall PK having a number of very solid goal scoring years even though to my recollection he wasn't a Goal scorer. Maybe I am miss remembering.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

I seem to recall PK having a number of very solid goal scoring years even though to my recollection he wasn't a Goal scorer. Maybe I am miss remembering.

Perfetti could be like that, between him, rossi and Raymond i like perfettis shot the most. He will score his share of goals with it.

 

[DavidBL]

Perfetti could be like that, between him, rossi and Raymond i like perfettis shot the most. He will score his share of goals with it.

Id ve perfectly happy with a guy like that. I don't need a pure goal scorer.

 

[Paul4587]

I seem to recall PK having a number of very solid goal scoring years even though to my recollection he wasn't a Goal scorer. Maybe I am miss remembering.

Yeah a lot of great players can adapt their game and their mentality so they’re not looking to overpass all the time. PK ended up being one of the highest volume shooters in the league after coming into the league as far more of a pass first player. Crosby was similar in that regard and you can see McDavid is starting to be as well.

You could see flashes with Terry in his second call up this year also where he was shooting far more often and looking for the best play as opposed to always looking to pass

 

[AngelDuck]

The ducks are every bit as starved for playmakers as they are goal scorers. We need everything

draft the best f***ing player and don’t worry what his best attribute happens to be

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I seem to recall PK having a number of very solid goal scoring years even though to my recollection he wasn't a Goal scorer. Maybe I am miss remembering.

I remember PK making a point of trying to become more of a shooter early in his career and I believe he actually led the league in shots at least once. Kariya's game always leaned more towards playmaking, but he was dominant offensive force and play driver before he was taken out by that worm Gary Suter. Had some good goal totals in the next couple seasons but slowly became more of a perimeter playmaker from that point on IMO.

129G and 148A in his first 220 games in the NHL pre-Suter, fairly well balanced totals.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

At this point I don’t care who we pick

I just hope it’s Rossi raymond perfetti holtz or quinn

as a team we’re in a bad spot , because our gm is indecisive... we should have started rebuild a year or 2 ago but we’ve been sitting on our hands and now we’re way behind

I think we could trade rakell to get into that 7-13 range

 

[Vaakou]

I posted a post game video interview of Holtz, where he scored 2 goals in the practice game against Almtuna. I have no idea what they're saying b/c I don't speak any Swedish. The video was posted Aug 27th, 2020.



I just don't know how to get any info on any of the practice games. On his prospect HF message board, a couple of people who have seen him in the preseason games have said he's stronger and taller.

He's not saying anything of value. Just talking about his 2 goals and his next game.

 

[Gliff]

At this point I don’t care who we pick

I just hope it’s Rossi raymond perfetti holtz or quinn

as a team we’re in a bad spot , because our gm is indecisive... we should have started rebuild a year or 2 ago but we’ve been sitting on our hands and now we’re way behind

I think we could trade rakell to get into that 7-13 range

That's a little harsh. 2 years ago we came off a sweep, but they also were 1 year out from the WCF.
The eject button should have been last season.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Some draft eligible NA prospects starting to sign overseas, will be interesting to see how many follow suit.

Ridley Greig and Connor McClennon both signed with a Swedish club yesterday

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Ducks are starved of everything, and adding a shooter isn't going to help goal scoring if no one on our team can carry the puck. We need play drivers, play makers, and people that can take over games in multi facets of the game.

You can get shooters later in first or second round. In the top 6-8 you need difference makers in more than 1 area.

I get you have a firm opinion this team has nothing. With that said, you want a hail mary #1 at sixth overall. Welp, isn't that how the Oil have always been?

We have a couple of play drivers in Getz and soon to be NHL'er Zegras. Troy Terry is also a driver, but he's very similar to Getz such that they'd rather pass than score. We need their complements. Adding a scorer like Holtz can be a significant difference maker on the PP and on breakouts. Why breakouts? Because we have some defensemen who can push the puck forward like Lindholm and Djoos.

Anaheim possesses an elite goal tender in Gibby. We have Dostal posting crazy numbers as a prospect across the pond!

When their defense is healthy, it's also one of the top defenses. Murray has added RHD Gudz, LHD Djoos, and D Curran to our defensive corps while allowing Larsson and Guhle to stew a bit more. We now also have in toe RHD Anderssen available at the AHL (he's on loan) as well as NCAA prospects LaCombe and Thrun.

The Ducks have forwards who are good on defense with our fourth liners along with two-way specialists Silf and Heinen. C Rico will be here for a long minute. Getz, Zegras, and Terry are playmakers. We don't have that dynamic scorer who can make a difference on the PP or breakouts. We have possible scorers in Comtois and Tracey, but Holtz is on a different level. Eventually, we're going to need production on the sheet.

Holtz is one piece of the puzzle. We have a collection of other pieces to where we can grab this high level scorer to put us one step closer to becoming relevant again. What Holtz can bring is something no one else on our roster can, save Rakell if he has the right motivation.

You can get shooters later in first or second round. In the top 6-8 you need difference makers in more than 1 area.

Really? How many years drafting have we drafted forwards and we still haven't found a high level NHL goal scorer for the Ducks? Rakell is the last one and he was drafted in 2011.

2009: Rd 1. C Holland, Rd 1. Palmieri
2010: Rd 1. RW Etem, Rd 2. RW Smith-Pelly, Rd 3. C Wagner
2011: Rd 1. C Rakell, Rd 2 C Karlsson, rd 3. Cramarossa
2012: Rd 2. LW Kerdiles, Rd 4. C Roy
2013: Rd 2. RW Nick Sorensen
2014: Rd 1. LW Ritchie, Rd 7 RW Kase
2015: Rd 2. C Nattinen, Rd 3 C Gates, Rd 3 RW Siederoff, Rd 5 C/RW Terry
2016: Rd 1. LW Jones, Rd 1. C Steel
2017: Rd 2. LW Comtois, Rd 2 C Morand, Rd 3 C Badini
2018: Rd 1. C Lundestrom, Rd 2 C BO Groulx, Rd 3 LW McLaughlin
2019: Rd 1. C Zegras, Rd 1. LW Tracey

Yeah. It's so very easy to find shooters in the first or second round.

 

[DavidBL]

I get you have a firm opinion this team has nothing. With that said, you want a hail mary #1 at sixth overall. Welp, isn't that how the Oil have always been?

We have a couple of play drivers in Getz and soon to be NHL'er Zegras. Troy Terry is also a driver, but he's very similar to Getz such that they'd rather pass than score. We need their complements. Adding a scorer like Holtz can be a significant difference maker on the PP and on breakouts. Why breakouts? Because we have some defensemen who can push the puck forward like Lindholm and Djoos.

Anaheim possesses an elite goal tender in Gibby. We have Dostal posting crazy numbers as a prospect across the pond!

When their defense is healthy, it's also one of the top defenses. Murray has added RHD Gudz, LHD Djoos, and D Curran to our defensive corps while allowing Larsson and Guhle to stew a bit more. We now also have in toe RHD Anderssen available at the AHL (he's on loan) as well as NCAA prospects LaCombe and Thrun.

The Ducks have forwards who are good on defense with our fourth liners along with two-way specialists Silf and Heinen. C Rico will be here for a long minute. Getz, Zegras, and Terry are playmakers. We don't have that dynamic scorer who can make a difference on the PP or breakouts. We have possible scorers in Comtois and Tracey, but Holtz is on a different level. Eventually, we're going to need production on the sheet.

Holtz is one piece of the puzzle. We have a collection of other pieces to where we can grab this high level scorer to put us one step closer to becoming relevant again. What Holtz can bring is something no one else on our roster can, save Rakell if he has the right motivation.



Really? How many years drafting have we drafted forwards and we still haven't found a high level NHL goal scorer for the Ducks? Rakell is the last one and he was drafted in 2011.

2009: Rd 1. C Holland, Rd 1. Palmieri
2010: Rd 1. RW Etem, Rd 2. RW Smith-Pelly, Rd 3. C Wagner
2011: Rd 1. C Rakell, Rd 2 C Karlsson, rd 3. Cramarossa
2012: Rd 2. LW Kerdiles, Rd 4. C Roy
2013: Rd 2. RW Nick Sorensen
2014: Rd 1. LW Ritchie, Rd 7 RW Kase
2015: Rd 2. C Nattinen, Rd 3 C Gates, Rd 3 RW Siederoff, Rd 5 C/RW Terry
2016: Rd 1. LW Jones, Rd 1. C Steel
2017: Rd 2. LW Comtois, Rd 2 C Morand, Rd 3 C Badini
2018: Rd 1. C Lundestrom, Rd 2 C BO Groulx, Rd 3 LW McLaughlin
2019: Rd 1. C Zegras, Rd 1. LW Tracey

Yeah. It's so very easy to find shooters in the first or second round.

You don't necessarily have to have a great shot to be a great goal scorer. Pretty sure Giggy said Selanne had a muffin. I think you're just too focused on the "pure goal scorer" moniker Holtz seems to have. There are reasons other players are considered better prospects. If our scouts think Holtz is the best player at 6 that's fine, im just not a fan of how hed described a pure shooter.

 

[Paul4587]

You don't necessarily have to have a great shot to be a great goal scorer. Pretty sure Giggy said Selanne had a muffin. I think you're just too focused on the "pure goal scorer" moniker Holtz seems to have. There are reasons other players are considered better prospects. If our scouts think Holtz is the best player at 6 that's fine, im just not a fan of how hed described a pure shooter.

Exactly, Selanne and also Perry, our two best goal scorers in franchise history both had muffins. On the other hand, Silfverberg has one of the best shots in franchise history yet he's never scored more than 24 goals in a season. Goal scoring is as much about instincts than it is how good your shot is.

 

[duckpuck]

I read a statistical analysis of the NHL drafted (posted it here before). The conclusion was that it is harder to find elite forwards later in the draft whereas you have a better chance of finding a good d-men later. For that reason, unless a clear 1D is available (Dahlin type of prospect), I would lean toward drafting a forward with an elite skill - either scoring or driving play. Still BPA - I just weigh those skills a little more than two way player or non-elite d-man.

 

[AngelDuck]

I read a statistical analysis of the NHL drafted (posted it here before). The conclusion was that it is harder to find elite forwards later in the draft whereas you have a better chance of finding a good d-men later. For that reason, unless a clear 1D is available (Dahlin type of prospect), I would lean toward drafting a forward with an elite skill - either scoring or driving play. Still BPA - I just weigh those skills a little more than two way player or non-elite d-man.

Yeah that’s interesting. I’d be very interested in reading it(and I’m sure others here would too) if you can dig it up somehow!