2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part IV

[Rangers394]

You are a bit delusional about Trouba. He just turned 26. He’s going to be here for a long time.

Seriously. People act like Trouba is in his mid 30s.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

In this year's draft, there are a bunch of players I like at 10-11. It's not an unreasonable assumption to think a 3rd defenseman or a goalie goes in the 1st round.

1. Lafreniere: No argument here
2. Byfield (LAK): Again, hard to argue
3. Stützle (OTT): 3rd best skater according to many
4. Perfetti (DET): Reports about Detroit liking him already surfaced
5. Askarov/Drysdale (OTT): Ottawa probably won't go with 2 forwards if they can get a franchise D-man or goalie. Can't really go wrong here for them, as they need both
6. Holtz (ANA): Holtz screams "Ducks pick" for me. The type of player they like. With Zegras in the system, going with a winger is a good option
7. Drysdale/Askarov (NJD): With Ty Smith in the system, adding another D-man is the way to go, although Askarov can set them up in net for over a decade. Do they trust Blackwood enough?
8. Quinn/Sanderson/Schneider (BUF): What is Buffalo looking for? Center? They have Cozens already. Might play into their decision. Wing? Quinn makes sense. Defense could get some help with Sanderson or Schneider
9. Askarov/Rossi/Raymond/Lundell (MIN): The Wild are a tough one to pinpoint. Goalie, wing, center. They can use it all. Granlund was a great pick for them in 2010 so Lundell could be enticing to them.
10. Schneider/Sanderson/Guhle/Grans (WPG): Defense seems logical for the Jets.

The further you get, the harder it is to project, but going through what these teams need, it's really not out of the question that there are 3 defensemen and a goalie picked before we are on the clock at 11. There is a good chance one of the top-10 projected/ranked forwards falls to 11. Whether that's Rossi, Lundell, Raymond, Holtz or Quinn, Gorton should grab him. Go with whoever drops. It's a perfect spot to be in. And we may even climb a spot if MIN or WPG win the lottery


(Of course this is all moot if we win the lottery on Monday)

If Raymond drops to the Rangers run up to the figurative Zoom podium, grab him, hop off the call, and don't look back. That's the kind of offensive player this franchise needs.

 

[broadwayblue]

If Raymond drops to the Rangers run up to the figurative Zoom podium, grab him, hop off the call, and don't look back. That's the kind of offensive player this franchise needs.

Someone will drop...I'm just hoping it's a C.

 

[Harbour Dog]

You are a bit delusional about Trouba. He just turned 26. He’s going to be here for a long time.

Half of HFNYR should have this written on their bathroom mirrors in permanent marker.

 

[Thirty One]

@Thirty One Mind listing RLR's top 12? Don't need any blurbs or anything, but I'm interested in seeing where they have it.

1. Lafreniere
2. Byfield
3. Rossi
4. Stutzle
5. Perfetti
6. Sanderson
7. Drysdale
8. Holtz
9. Lundell
10. Askarov
11. Raymond
12. Mercer

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

All things considered, I will always take the more talented player than the one who is well rounded but doesn't have the skill level as long as the talented guy is willing to work. You can teach a player how to do the little things if they're receptive to it.

Define "more talented" because for a lot of people this comes down to flashy plays and dangling through defense.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

You are delusional

Fixed

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Define "more talented" because for a lot of people this comes down to flashy plays and dangling through defense.

That can be part of it, but not necessarily.

Let me rephrase talented to guys who are able to use their skills to catalyze offense, both for themselves and their teammates. Be that through better tools, hockey sense, whatever.

Of the top forwards in this draft, or even the forwards who will be around where we pick and won't be massive overdrafts, who does Lundell have an edge on here?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That can be part of it, but not necessarily.

Let me rephrase talented to guys who are able to use their skills to catalyze offense, both for themselves and their teammates. Be that through better tools, hockey sense, whatever.

Of the top forwards in this draft, or even the forwards who will be around where we pick and won't be massive overdrafts, who does Lundell have an edge on here?

For me? Rossi, Quinn, Mercer, Zary, Jarvis, Holloway.

I think Raymond is the best offensively skilled player in this draft, but I would not draft him in the top-10. Too many red flags.

Regarding Rossi and Quinn, I have the same doubts for both that I have explained already. Their unnatural jump in production, paired with being on a team with a handful of 20-21 year olds dominating shifts just makes me a bit weary. Not that they are bad prospects, not at all. But I think their production is more the result of external factors than others in the top-10.

Lundell put up the 6th highest point/game average since 2000 by a draft eligible player. Pair that with his possession game, ranked 2nd league-wide in corsi%, it's hard for me to say the offense is an issue. I think Ryan Johansen is a good comparison for Lundell in terms of his possible impact. He isn't as good as Barkov, but he is right there in the next tier. I don't think, aside from Stützle, Holtz, Byfield and Lafreniere (and maybe Perfetti) I would put anyone ahead of Lundell in terms of what he brings as a player.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

For me? Rossi, Quinn, Mercer, Zary, Jarvis, Holloway.

I think Raymond is the best offensively skilled player in this draft, but I would not draft him in the top-10. Too many red flags.

Regarding Rossi and Quinn, I have the same doubts for both that I have explained already. Their unnatural jump in production, paired with being on a team with a handful of 20-21 year olds dominating shifts just makes me a bit weary. Not that they are bad prospects, not at all. But I think their production is more the result of external factors than others in the top-10.

Lundell put up the 6th highest point/game average since 2000 by a draft eligible player. Pair that with his possession game, ranked 2nd league-wide in corsi%, it's hard for me to say the offense is an issue. I think Ryan Johansen is a good comparison for Lundell in terms of his possible impact. He isn't as good as Barkov, but he is right there in the next tier. I don't think, aside from Stützle, Holtz, Byfield and Lafreniere (and maybe Perfetti) I would put anyone ahead of Lundell in terms of what he brings as a player.

Yeah we're going to have to agree to disagree, because I'd give him the edge over 2 of those guys (who just so happen to be my least favorites slated to go in the 1st) and between him and Rossi or Quinn, I don't think its particularly close.

I don't see RyJo at all. I could see him being ROR lite, but that would really hinge on him improving his passing which from what I've seen, has been pretty erratic at best.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Quinn and Zary strikes me as prospects that you take when the board doesn’t break your way, and they either don’t come anywhere close to their projected upside, or bust out all together

 

[Ola]

If Raymond drops to the Rangers run up to the figurative Zoom podium, grab him, hop off the call, and don't look back. That's the kind of offensive player this franchise needs.

Couldn’t agree more.

Stats are good, but it’s kind of like with Podkolzin, it’s only an indication of something. Raymond had an “off” season, but at the same time, more in terms of environment and conditions to succeed than actual play. A really bad flu that knocked him out completely a few weeks before the WJC. Stuff like that. Then the season was cut short.

From my POV, that certainly is debatable, only Laf is clearly ahead of Raymond.

 

[bl02]

Quinn and Zary strikes me as prospects that you take when the board doesn’t break your way, and they either don’t come anywhere close to their projected upside, or bust out all together

True and at 13/14 or possibly picking later that would have been the case. With the amount of good forwards in the top 10 and the probability that 2-3 dmen will be chosen in the top 10 there is no excuse to come out of this with a good top 6 player. We either have 1,10,11. Any of those should produce a top talent. Make the right choice then don't rush the kid especially if he's playing in Europe.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Quinn and Zary strikes me as prospects that you take when the board doesn’t break your way, and they either don’t come anywhere close to their projected upside, or bust out all together

Zary is a classic Jr. Scorer. Can't skate at all and thus is horrendous in transition.

Quinn is the total package though. Size, decent speed, shot(one of the best in this draft), smarts, plays with some bite. Outplayed Rossi down the stretch. Zary definatley fits the bill of a guy with massive bust potential but Quinn doesn't IMO. He has the skill set to be a bottom 6 forward if the offense doesn't come around.

 

[ohbaby]

Am I getting this wrong? Tomorrow night we have a 1 in 8 chance of getting the top pick with Lafreniere? Boy that would be something if we land him.

 

[bl02]

I keep watching clips of Lundell and he's obviously got great IQ/good two way player, good accurate shot. His straight away speed/Stride looks ok but really no impressed with his speed/skating in tight spaces/short bursts. I know he played in Liiga but its a bit scary if he can't improve on that area of his game to get on par or better at the NHL level. The thing that scares me most is drafting another poor skater in the first round.

 

[bl02]

Am I getting this wrong? Tomorrow night we have a 1 in 8 of getting the top pick with Lafreniere? Boy that would be something if we land him.

OHBABY!!!

 

[ohbaby]

OHBABY!!!

It would be great to hear JD exclaim this after we land him. LOL!

 

[Joey Bones]

If Chicago is out of the top 10 who is picking Askarov? Detroit trading down a spot or two and still taking him to solidify their future goaltending?

LA

 

[Joey Bones]

For me, the only ones I'd take ahead of Lundell are Lafreniere, Byfield, Stützle and Holtz. That's it.

Looking at Rossi, I think there are some red flags, mostly surrounding his unnatural jump in production. Not saying he is not a great prospect, but having a bunch of 20-year olds contributing this season, including a new arrival in Garreffa, there is a case to be made that his performance was impacted significantly on external factors

Same can be said about Quinn, who I think benefitted most from this rather than Rossi....

 

[Joey Bones]

Still think the Rangers will go for Schneider. Let's say he is 3-4 years away. In 4 years Trouba's NMC ends and he has a limited NTC. Rangers need a big, physical, RHD replacement as they are tiny on the right side. I could see them trading back 2 spots if they pick at 9 or 10.

I like Schneider, but not that early. I would be more than fine with him with their second 1st rounder.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Same can be said about Quinn, who I think benefitted most from this rather than Rossi....

Yes. Quinn and Rossi both benefited from the same physically more mature guys who put up 80-ish points.

 

[bl02]

LA

WOW. You're saying the Kings could take him?
They would trade down if they did right? If so who do you think they would trade down with? I don't see anyone taking Askarov top 10 unless the small possibility the Devils take him at #7.
Man if we don't win number 1 overall I would love to grab Stutz but the Kings are gonna want a kings ransom for the 2nd overall due to supply and demand.

 

[bl02]

I like Schneider, but not that early. I would be more than fine with him with their second 1st rounder.

Totally agree when honestly is there going to be a chance to grab a very very good center/Wing prospect again? Go Forward first pick. Just don't see any other way especially since it looks better than 50/50 Sanderson goes top 10.

 

[bl02]

If Raymond drops to the Rangers run up to the figurative Zoom podium, grab him, hop off the call, and don't look back. That's the kind of offensive player this franchise needs.

He's going between 5-7