2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part IV

[GoAwayPanarin]

None, he's closer to Vinny Lecavalier in terms of vision, toughness and scoring. Think he is actually turns out to be a better NHL player than Vinny, though.

He went from having nothing around him and struggling, to blossoming into a legitimate star (remember how Montreal offered the literal farm for him?) and then never being the same after getting Cooke'd.

He was one of the best players in the league for a short while, but man he was a beast.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Will Scouch is my personal favorite "youtube" scout. He is fantastic, albeit fairly limited samples on players. He will work in hockey at some point if he does not already.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Buchnevich is not a 55-60 point winger. He is now 24 years old and has played with some very good talent on his lines the last 2 years.

His 4 year career totals are 20, 43, 38, and 46 points. This is about what he is.

If you are giving me Panarin and Kreider you might as well give me Kakko and Lafreniere too.

Come on.

There is no realistic scenario where they both don't pass him like immediately.

20 points in 41 games, 43 points in 74 games, 38 points in 64 games, and 46 points in 68 games this year before it was cut short for obvious reasons.

Okay, let's say Buch tops out at around a 50-55 point winger (max 60). That's still valuable, and he's still only 24.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Will Scouch is my personal favorite "youtube" scout. He is fantastic, albeit fairly limited samples on players. He will work in hockey at some point if he does not already.

Yeah he actually knows what hes watching and embraces analytics.

I don't agree with everything he says, but he knows his shit.

 

[mas0764]

20 points in 41 games, 43 points in 74 games, 38 points in 64 games, and 46 points in 68 games this year before it was cut short for obvious reasons.

Okay, let's say Buch tops out at around a 50-55 point winger (max 60). That's still valuable, and he's still only 24.

Of course it's valuable.

But we just are gonna have much better very soon. He will be more like our 5th or 6th best winger; certainly within the duration of any extension that he'd sign here.

And that value is therefore just limited for us.

Don't ditch him for nothing. Having overkill is great if you can swing it.

But if he can be parlayed into something better (like in a package for a center) then he needs to be moved. Because even if he stays he's not gonna end up being a top-6 player here, and if he walks in free agency you've lost him for nothing.

 

[Joey Bones]

Jesus Christ, we sell off half the team have a million first-rounders, get the #2 and #1 pick in back to back drafts, have a Hart trophy Finalist, a guy that could have won the Rocket, and we STILL need to tank. This used to be a legit debate but right now we've reached levels of absurdity I haven't seen.

I tend to agree....

 

[Joey Bones]

Most of these nonsense comments are from posters who don't usually post in this thread, lolol.

Listen, for anyone who is uncertain, this team is almost ready to legitimately compete in the playoffs. They will not be trading pieces for potentials unless the cap pushes the move. They will try to get better soon and use pieces to make the current roster better. Lafreniere WILL be the pick and the Rangers WILL NOT be trading it for any reason. Lafreniere is a franchise player who will come in and make this team and it's players better.

Let's go win a f***ing cup!!

 

[CaptTennille]

Wanted to get a temp check on Tyson Forrester here. Yay or Nay with a late 1st?

I personally would be all over him with a 2nd round pick but I think he can sneak into the top round. Skating is ohhhh so horrible but he does so many things well and the wheels can always improve.

I think your assessment pretty much mirrors my own: Love the shot and the smarts - His skating scares the sh*t outta me.

He's demonstrated an excellent ability to follow the play as it develops and get open to use that shot, I'm just worried he's not explosive enough to get to those uncontested areas in time at the next level. I have seen some nice bursts of speed from him this season but his brain defaults to dragging his feet inorder to feel set and ready to pass or shoot. If he can improve his skating even incrementally, I could see a Corey Perry -lite type player with better defense and less overall creativity (minus the dirty stuff). Regardless, I flip flop daily between him and the usual suspects towards the tail end of the first like Brisson, Wallinder, Grieg, Colangelo, Torgersson etc.)

Anyway, this is all moot, because Khusnutdinov will just be sitting there (I hope) and we will take him!

 

[Synergy27]

Jesus Christ, we sell off half the team have a million first-rounders, get the #2 and #1 pick in back to back drafts, have a Hart trophy Finalist, a guy that could have won the Rocket, and we STILL need to tank. This used to be a legit debate but right now we've reached levels of absurdity I haven't seen.

I’m only skimming this thread at this point, but are people still calling for this? I was all aboard for the tank this year, precisely so that we could have a chance for what happened to happen.

The draft portion of the rebuild is now over. “Tanking” was fun while it lasted.

 

[mas0764]

I’m only skimming this thread at this point, but are people still calling for this? I was all aboard for the tank this year, precisely so that we could have a chance for what happened to happen.

The draft portion of the rebuild is now over. “Tanking” was fun while it lasted.

I have not seen anyone call for continued tanking so I don't know where that's coming from.

Trading a third line winger for a highly regarded center prospect is what is apparently being debated.

I don't consider that tanking. If missing like your 5th best winger prevents you from going further in the playoffs while the young center matures, so be it, but I don't consider it tanking.

Even if that's not the team's preference, I really don't see how you could say that's a bad idea.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I’m only skimming this thread at this point, but are people still calling for this? I was all aboard for the tank this year, precisely so that we could have a chance for what happened to happen.

The draft portion of the rebuild is now over. “Tanking” was fun while it lasted.

Yeah and it worked.

No need to tank anymore. We're at the point now where it become detrimental.

 

[LeetchisGod]

I STILL can’t believe we’re actually in the timeline where we will have a player like Lafreniere for the next 15+ years. Wow.

No, we should trade him for the 3rd and 5th pick. LOL!

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

No, we should trade him for the 3rd and 5th pick. LOL!

Lol.

But if Ottawa honestly did offer something like 3 + 5 + 22 and Tkachuk, that would at least get the Rangers seriously thinking.

 

[True Blue]

I can name at least 5 wings that will surpass him relatively soon or are already better - Panarin, Kreider, Lafreniere, Kakko, and Kravtsov. Chytil may be a wing too.

Panarin and Kreider do not count as again THEY PLAY ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ICE. As does Lafreniere. I have no idea why you try to equate RW with LW. They are TWO SEPARATE POSITIONS.

That leaves Kakko, Kravstov, and Chytil. Ummm.....where does one begin? We all expect Kakko to get there, but he is not there yet and may not be for a few more years. Let me know when Kravstov has actually taken a shift in the NHL. And Chytil has quite a ways to go until he is deemed to be a top 6 RW. Nevermind that he is a center.

So again, where is the glut? Seems to me that all that is really here are wishes and fishes and not really much fact.

Well, he'd fit the bill in 5 years. We'd just need another stopgap till then.

Ironically that's kind of exactly when I would think Zibanejad will be slowing down.

Though I also think Lundell will not take 5 years. More like 3, if he's not ready to play this year even.

One does not plan for what may or may not happen in 5 years. And playoff teams certainly do not trade top-6 forwards on the hope that their draft pick develops properly and hits his ceiling in 5 years.

And Lundell will be a top-2 line center 3 years from now? Talk about wish-casting.

Yeah but he's not. He's a 46 point winger.

He was a 46 point winger in 68 games. Over an entire season, that becomes 55. Since he is only 24, I would say there is a more than decent chance that he gets there long before Lundell becomes a top-2 line center in the league. Not to mention as to what has a a greater chance of occurring.

Trading a third line winger for a highly regarded center prospect is what is apparently being debated.

Ummm....you are not advocating trading a third line winger

 

[Joey Bones]

Wanted to get a temp check on Tyson Forrester here. Yay or Nay with a late 1st?

I personally would be all over him with a 2nd round pick but I think he can sneak into the top round. Skating is ohhhh so horrible but he does so many things well and the wheels can always improve.

1st round, no. 2nd round, depending who's available. After that, yes.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Of course it's valuable.

But we just are gonna have much better very soon. He will be more like our 5th or 6th best winger; certainly within the duration of any extension that he'd sign here.

And that value is therefore just limited for us.

Don't ditch him for nothing. Having overkill is great if you can swing it.

But if he can be parlayed into something better (like in a package for a center) then he needs to
be moved. Because even if he stays he's not gonna end up being a top-6 player here, and if he walks in free agency you've lost him for nothing.

Definitely a fair post.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

No, we should trade him for the 3rd and 5th pick. LOL!

We're going to hear a ton of shit between now and the draft. Even the Bobfather was speculating (note: SPECULATING) that they may trade the pick because of how their roster is constructed.

No Bob, not happening. Our social media team has been pimping the f*** out of winning this pick and JD has already more than tipped his hand.

 

[Joey Bones]

Not sure about that. Reading main boards a mid-later first isn’t gonna cut it.
Cirelli would be a nice fit here for sure but think it may take more than just the Skjei first

Yeah I'm sure it'll depend, but in the best case scenario for NYR I think that would be the case.

Nonetheless, I do think that NYR will try their hands at getting an upgrade at center, whether it be Cirelli or Nugent-Hopkins or equivalent.

Sidenote.... the main boards are full of good GM's, lolol.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Will Scouch is my personal favorite "youtube" scout. He is fantastic, albeit fairly limited samples on players. He will work in hockey at some point if he does not already.

From his scouch?

 

[LaffyTaffy]

From his scouch?

yes actually, kinda the premise of the show tbh. Very blues clues esque.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah I'm sure it'll depend, but in the best case scenario for NYR I think that would be the case.

Nonetheless, I do think that NYR will try their hands at getting an upgrade at center, whether it be Cirelli or Nugent-Hopkins or equivalent.

Sidenote.... the main boards are full of good GM's, lolol.

It will certainly take more. The only reason he would be moved is that their cap situation is f***ed and the guys they would rather move all have NTC's and the teams who could absorb that space are the basement dwellers who play for undesirable teams (OTT, NJD.)

There are other teams who would be interested. We have the pieces they would like beyond picks though so I'd say we'd be in a good spot.