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2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part IV

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Edge said:
So getting away from hypothetical lottery wins and the guys we know the Rangers like.

I am trying to figure out who the Rangers dark horse candidates are.

Jarvis might be on there
Amirov might be a candidate

Strange that I hear nothing about Quinn from the Rangers. You'd think he'd come up like Mercer, or other guys potentially in that range. But nothing.
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Looking at the past few years, and the changes the Rangers made in their scouting department, it's not a stretch to say they trust their EU and WHL guys more and that's IMO what is going to determine who we pick with the higher selections, unless there's a clear-cut prospect who stands out above the rest.

9-14 (NYR pick): Jarvis, Lundell, Amirov, Holtz, Raymond (assuming one of the Swedish twins slides to that range)
21-28 (CAR/TOR pick): Neighbours, Gunler, Greig, Peterka, Khusnutdinov, Reichel, Nybeck

With the 3rd rounders, I could see them go all over the place. Less of a risk, so that could be where they trust themselves to pick from other areas.
 
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I’m again admittedly less versed in these kids so take my comment w even more of a grain of salt than usual but Edge’s take mirrored a lot of my thoughts watching 30 min or so of Jarvis clips.

Great edges, nose for the net, knows how to finish, but is there truly elite skill there? How much of his production was skill that will translate vs consistent motor which goes a LONG way towards CHL production. I’m not convinced there is a return commiserate with a top pick there.
 
No matter what happens with the lottery winner I would be Thrilled being in the top 10. Then we needToronto to lose and Carolina to lose next round
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
I’m again admittedly less versed in these kids so take my comment w even more of a grain of salt than usual but Edge’s take mirrored a lot of my thoughts watching 30 min or so of Jarvis clips.

Great edges, nose for the net, knows how to finish, but is there truly elite skill there? How much of his production was skill that will translate vs consistent motor which goes a LONG way towards CHL production. I’m not convinced there is a return commiserate with a top pick there.
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No, I don't think there is, but there is a competitiveness and a will to win that you can't teach (then again, you can't teach elite skill either lol). I think he has an "it factor" or "straw that stirs the drink" factor - however you want to put it, that will translate to a very successful NHL career. Personally I like him a lot, but I totally get why others are gun shy on him for the Rangers higher pick.
 
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Question...which would people prefer -

1) Montreal loses their series, meaning the Rangers end up at 10OA, (with all other factors occurring that allow that to happen)

or

2) Montreal wins their series, Rangers end up at 9OA, but Pittsburgh wins 1OA.
 
jas said:
Question...which would people prefer -

1) Montreal loses their series, meaning the Rangers end up at 10OA, (with all other factors occurring that allow that to happen)

or

2) Montreal wins their series, Rangers end up at 9OA, but Pittsburgh wins 1OA.
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1 st one.

Pitt has had enough. To quote that philosopher Eric Cartman, No....More....Pie
 
jas said:
Question...which would people prefer -

1) Montreal loses their series, meaning the Rangers end up at 10OA, (with all other factors occurring that allow that to happen)

or

2) Montreal wins their series, Rangers end up at 9OA, but Pittsburgh wins 1OA.
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Well it's #1 but we can't assume that Pittsburgh will automatically win #1 overall, so I'd rather Montreal win an take our chances.
 
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jas said:
Question...which would people prefer -

1) Montreal loses their series, meaning the Rangers end up at 10OA, (with all other factors occurring that allow that to happen)

or

2) Montreal wins their series, Rangers end up at 9OA, but Pittsburgh wins 1OA.
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I will go with whatever makes our team better. Give me the higher pick. If you start to worry who gets 1st overall, you will never be happy.
 
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jas said:
Question...which would people prefer -

1) Montreal loses their series, meaning the Rangers end up at 10OA, (with all other factors occurring that allow that to happen)

or

2) Montreal wins their series, Rangers end up at 9OA, but Pittsburgh wins 1OA.
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1. But I would rather have Montreal win. I value the spot over the 12.5% chance Pittsburgh gets #1.
 
If they can get to 9 or 10 the team is golden

That means it's guaranteed they get one of the top tier guys. And having fringe top 10 guys like Quinn or Askarov in the mix helps as well
 
jas said:
Question...which would people prefer -

1) Montreal loses their series, meaning the Rangers end up at 10OA, (with all other factors occurring that allow that to happen)

or

2) Montreal wins their series, Rangers end up at 9OA, but Pittsburgh wins 1OA.
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Interesting Q. #2 for me. Always what is best for NYR.

Laf to Monreal would be INSUFFERABLE. Pens (or Oilers) would be worst but Montreal is nipping right at their heels.
 
I don't think if we're picking at #9 or #10 matters that much honestly. This draft doesn't really drop off the cliff at #9. I could see Montreal going the Finnish route with Lundell. I could also see them going for a defenseman.

I like Lundell but I also like the German DEL forwards and the Swedish SHL forwards and Amirov wouldn't be bad either. If we're picking somewhere between 10 and 14 I'm sure one of them will be available. Later on we'll see. I could see Holloway or Grieg as our possible late 1st along with others but again all things being equal I would lean towards a European player for both 1st rounders if only because there's a better chance that they'll play next year. Is Holloway's Wisconsin U. team going to play next year? If not--will he leave the team and play in the WHL? If someone like Reichel or Peterka is still around for that second 1st I'm kind of thinking that would be a good idea.
 
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eco's bones said:
I don't think if we're picking at #9 or #10 matters that much honestly. This draft doesn't really drop off the cliff at #9. I could see Montreal going the Finnish route with Lundell. I could also see them going for a defenseman.

I like Lundell but I also like the German DEL forwards and the Swedish SHL forwards and Amirov wouldn't be bad either. If we're picking somewhere between 10 and 14 I'm sure one of them will be available. Later on we'll see. I could see Holloway or Grieg as our possible late 1st along with others but again all things being equal I would lean towards a European player for both 1st rounders if only because there's a better chance that they'll play next year. Is Holloway's Wisconsin U. team going to play next year? If not--will he leave the team and play in the WHL? If someone like Reichel or Peterka is still around for that second 1st I'm kind of thinking that would be a good idea.
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Valid points here. With CHL hockey still pending, how will the draft be affected by European prospects playing by the time the draft happens? Do we see Europeans rise in the rankings late based on that?
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Valid points here. With CHL hockey still pending, how will the draft be affected by European prospects playing by the time the draft happens? Do we see Europeans rise in the rankings late based on that?
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Also have to think about players you draft who may not be able to play for an entire year. The United States is a mess and there is simply no certainty where the virus might be and for what duration right now and unless something drastic happens by draft day to change that all things being equal or close I think it's better we defer to European players. That shouldn't be an issue with the Rangers anyway--we are one of the more Europeanized teams in the league. Now some players might be able to handle missing a year of play but it's likely to harm more players than not.

The other end of what that might mean a couple/three years down the road is that more undrafted North American free agents are signed than European players but who knows--see what happens.
 
eco's bones said:
Also have to think about players you draft who may not be able to play for an entire year. The United States is a mess and there is simply no certainty where the virus might be and for what duration right now and unless something drastic happens by draft day to change that all things being equal or close I think it's better we defer to European players. That shouldn't be an issue with the Rangers anyway--we are one of the more Europeanized teams in the league. Now some players might be able to handle missing a year of play but it's likely to harm more players than not.

The other end of what that might mean a couple/three years down the road is that more undrafted North American free agents are signed than European players but who knows--see what happens.
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Now let's look a bit further ahead. This is something I discussed at work with one of my techs who is a Leafs fan... How much does the pandemic, and the potential cancellation of seasons in NA affect prospects in future drafts? Imagine being a 15 or 16 year old prospect, with the talent to be a top-10 pick, does this upcoming year where you can't play competitive hockey see you drop in future rankings? Do we see an influx of European prospects high in the draft?
 
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jas said:
Question...which would people prefer -

1) Montreal loses their series, meaning the Rangers end up at 10OA, (with all other factors occurring that allow that to happen)

or

2) Montreal wins their series, Rangers end up at 9OA, but Pittsburgh wins 1OA.
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First option, easily for me.

I don't see a huge difference between picking 9th or 10th. Now if we're talking 10th and first overall, all bets are off.

With all due respect to the city and it's residents, f*** Pittsburgh. Let's see how they do without being gifted a generational talent, or a first overall, or some other bullshit to get fans to give two shits about the team when they aren't winning.
 
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I don't think we can pick 9th. 1st is up for grabs then 2-8 are the 7 teams that didn't play in the qualifiers. In the West, there are 2 series where both teams have less points than we do so if they don't win the lottery, they would slot in at 9 and 10. Then we need the games to keep going our way, which means the lower seeds up 2-1 have to close things out and the Panthers have to come back. Otherwise, they would be 11 and the best we could do would be 12. So I think our best case scenario is obviously getting 1 but if that doesn't happen we need a team that is lower than us (Minnesota, Vancouver, Florida, etc,) to win the lottery. That puts us at 10 or 11.

If I'm wrong let me know but that's how I understand the situation
 
eco's bones said:
I don't think if we're picking at #9 or #10 matters that much honestly. This draft doesn't really drop off the cliff at #9. I could see Montreal going the Finnish route with Lundell. I could also see them going for a defenseman.

I like Lundell but I also like the German DEL forwards and the Swedish SHL forwards and Amirov wouldn't be bad either. If we're picking somewhere between 10 and 14 I'm sure one of them will be available. Later on we'll see. I could see Holloway or Grieg as our possible late 1st along with others but again all things being equal I would lean towards a European player for both 1st rounders if only because there's a better chance that they'll play next year. Is Holloway's Wisconsin U. team going to play next year? If not--will he leave the team and play in the WHL? If someone like Reichel or Peterka is still around for that second 1st I'm kind of thinking that would be a good idea.
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Very interesting point. Tie going to the European would make sense this year for sure.
 
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