Rumor: 2020-21 Trade Rumours and FA Part VIII: Intra-Playoff Edition?

[Hasbro]

Nolan Patrick wants out. So get ready for that.

 

[RockLobster]

Purely hypothetical here:

IF the Avs decided to trade Kadri this summer, what do you think is a fair and reasonable offer from another team? Yes, Kadri has a good contract for a flat cap, and has shown he can handle a 2C role in the past; however he wasn't really all that good this year, and he's now staring down a lengthy playoff suspension at the worst possible time for his team.

Had some Edmonton fan say he'd offer RFA rights to Kahun + 2nd.

 

[redacted]

Nolan Patrick wants out. So get ready for that.

Avs will certainly check in, but they won't have the pieces to make the deal work. Patrick isn't good enough to get a 1st, but isn't bad enough that 3rds are enticing.

Purely hypothetical here:

IF the Avs decided to trade Kadri this summer, what do you think is a fair and reasonable offer from another team? Yes, Kadri has a good contract for a flat cap, and has shown he can handle a 2C role in the past; however he wasn't really all that good this year, and he's now staring down a lengthy playoff suspension at the worst possible time for his team.

Had some Edmonton fan say he'd offer RFA rights to Kahun + 2nd.

He's not worth a ton... one year until UFA, has a history, questionable level of play, etc. 2nd and a prospect seems about where he'd fall. He's worth more to the Avs than they'd get out of him.

 

[Iceberg]

I'm sure its been mentioned at some point but it feels like Stastny will come cup chasing in Colorado next year on a cheap deal. I feel like we could pencil him into our 3C spot

If he is willing to take a 1M, 1 year deal to replace PEB on the 4th line, sure.

 

[Gatorbait19]

Kadri could probably fetch a 1st at the deadline or possibly over the summer if someone wanted to sign him to a reasonable extension. I’d bet Joe would only deal him in a hockey trade though (unless we desperately needed the cap for someone else).

 

[Gatorbait19]

Rumors are that Nate Schmidt wants out of Vancouver. Crazy how quickly Vancouver screwed that one up. The Schmidt trade was widely considered one of the best moves of the offseason last year. The majority of us (myself included) even questioned whether we made a mistake in going for Toews if we could’ve had Schmidt (although we all know that an Avs-vegas trade was never happening).

 

[Alex Jones]

It's very clear at this point that Kadri can't be trusted in the playoffs. No contender is going to be willing to take a chance on him.

I say that he finishes his last year and goes UFA. I suspect people are going to be surprised how soft the market for Kadri is, I expect him to go to a team that's on the bubble or on the outside looking in at the playoffs.

Spots that I could see him landing:

Columbus
Detroit (depending on how they feel about Rasmussen after next season)
Calgary
lol Buffalo

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

It's very clear at this point that Kadri can't be trusted in the playoffs. No contender is going to be willing to take a chance on him.

I say that he finishes his last year and goes UFA. I suspect people are going to be surprised how soft the market for Kadri is, I expect him to go to a team that's on the bubble or on the outside looking in at the playoffs.

Spots that I could see him landing:

Columbus
Detroit (depending on how they feel about Rasmussen after next season)
Calgary
lol Buffalo

It's gamble. He also put up impressive numbers last season and let's face it, the 8 game ban was a joke.

 

[Pokecheque]

Rumors are that Nate Schmidt wants out of Vancouver. Crazy how quickly Vancouver screwed that one up. The Schmidt trade was widely considered one of the best moves of the offseason last year. The majority of us (myself included) even questioned whether we made a mistake in going for Toews if we could’ve had Schmidt (although we all know that an Avs-vegas trade was never happening).

He’ll be the first of many.

 

[Iceberg]

Kadri could probably fetch a 1st at the deadline or possibly over the summer if someone wanted to sign him to a reasonable extension. I’d bet Joe would only deal him in a hockey trade though (unless we desperately needed the cap for someone else).

Unless Kadri comes back from his suspension and redeem himself with a really impressive showing in the final two rounds, we are not getting a 1st for him.

 

[redacted]

He’ll be the first of many.

As long as Benning is running the show, Vancouver will stumble over themselves... despite having some great pieces.

 

[flyfysher]

Anaheim allows you to live on the beach. I doubt many players have Anaheim on their no trade list. Even if Anacrime itself kinda sucks. Vancouver is a nice city and that alone probably means it isn't on there.

Anacrime? Well done hench. Hadn't heard that one before.

 

[flyfysher]

It's very clear at this point that Kadri can't be trusted in the playoffs. No contender is going to be willing to take a chance on him.

I say that he finishes his last year and goes UFA. I suspect people are going to be surprised how soft the market for Kadri is, I expect him to go to a team that's on the bubble or on the outside looking in at the playoffs.

Spots that I could see him landing:

Columbus
Detroit (depending on how they feel about Rasmussen after next season)
Calgary
lol Buffalo

Some team will end up with Kadri and TDA. It'll be the NHL equivalent of Purgatory.

 

[redacted]

Anacrime? Well done hench. Hadn't heard that one before.

Picked it up from a buddy who is a former resident.

 

[Pokecheque]

As long as Benning is running the show, Vancouver will stumble over themselves... despite having some great pieces.

Like the Rockies, until ownership changes, it won't matter who's in the front office. Even if Benning gets the boot, Weisbrod is ready and waiting to be the Canadian answer to Jeff Bridich.

 

[PAZ]

Kadri could still be an attractive piece to a team like Washington, especially with the rumours of Kuzy on the way out. He’s had a bad season, but $4.5 mil for a #2C is still a pretty good contract, and I’d bet Kadri bounces back for his contract year.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Kadri could still be an attractive piece to a team like Washington, especially with the rumours of Kuzy on the way out. He’s had a bad season, but $4.5 mil for a #2C is still a pretty good contract, and I’d bet Kadri bounces back for his contract year.

This is one of the reasons I see to keep him. He’s had a below average season, but so often guys play well in their contract years.

Even if the Avs don’t plan to sign him it would be nice to take advantage of that contract year boost players usually get.

 

[Pokecheque]

I'll honestly be surprised if the Avs part ways with Kadri this offseason. I foresee a C/W role for him while they find out exactly what they have in Newhook next year.

 

[BaconNater]

Another offseason of hearing people talk about how teams will be making big changes which includes Pens, Oilers, and Caps this year.

Always interested to see what happens but then it will just turn into boring moves like picking up a 2nd line wingers, depth dman that doesnt move the needle at all.. guess we will see

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

The solution with Kadri is simply to get a better 3C for next season.


Well, in an ideal world anyways. Unfortunately I dont think we'll have the cap space to afford such a move. But ideally you get a guy like Danault for the 3C spot where you can have some trust that if Kadri really is just declining rapidly and struggles against next year, then you can trust Danault to step up and replace him fairly efficiently and move Kadri into the 3C spot or trade him later on in the year.

But the Avs likely wont have the space to add a guy like Danault, at least not at his UFA tag that will likely be in the 5-6M range.


I could definitely see them taking a flyer on Nolan Patrick though. We dont have a 2nd round pick... But we do have some intriguing young players/prospects as well that could be of interest to Philly. Martin Kaut with a small add as a base of a deal could work for example. I dont think Patrick has 1C upside at all not even when he was drafted and certainly not now. But I do still think if he gets a couple healthy years to get into the rhythm of it all again that he could be a solid middle 6 Center option for a team. Still a lot of questions around him and his health though.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I also think its worth noting that while yes Kadri was a little disappointing this year, particularly down the stretch... It's not like he was completely god awful and downright terrible either.


He finished the year with 11 Goals and 32 points in 56 games. Over a full 82 game season that would be 16 Goals and 47 Points. Really not terrible numbers. About ~5-7 points off his career pace as a 2C.

I think his defensive game more then anything was what really suffered. He made some pretty bad plays on that end of the ice. Fortunately Mackinnon has took such significant strides on that side of the game that the Avs dont really need our 2C to be super strong defensively anymore because Mack has become damn good in that regard. Otherwise Kadri's defensive issues would be a much bigger problem.


As it is, I think just getting a trustworthy and reliable 3C that can jump up to the 2C spot comfortably if needed is really the play here. And give Newhook some extended looks at 2/3C next year as well by shifting Kadri to the wing for a while.

 

[Pokecheque]

Another offseason of hearing people talk about how teams will be making big changes which includes Pens, Oilers, and Caps this year.

Always interested to see what happens but then it will just turn into boring moves like picking up a 2nd line wingers, depth dman that doesnt move the needle at all.. guess we will see

The flat cap will continue to loom large, but the expansion draft and any subsequent moves by Seattle or any team to weaponize cap space will open things up a little.

Philly will be ambitious, as will Edmonton. Beyond that I really don't know. I'm curious to see what Pittsburgh does. If indeed this is the Last Ride of Sid and Geno they'll probably try to find a goalie and take one last stand.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I expect this to be a somewhat busy off season. Covid should mostly be behind us now. Salary cap will remain the same but there's optimism of that changing possibly as soon as 2022.

But Seattle joining the league alone will create more transactions and newsworthy events to follow along. Expansion draft will see every team lose a player, for the top teams it will be impact players they lose meaning all of those teams then likely have to find a way to replace said player. Plus you'll see some trades with Seattle again to protect certain guys.

Then on top of that you have more then a couple teams with disappointing seasons who will be looking to make trades. You've got an absolute superstar in the league who wants out of his current team, which also means that Buffalo will likely go scorched Earth here since Reinhart and Ristolainen dont sound too thrilled to stick around either.


Then you get into this years UFA class. It's a pretty decent group honestly. Obviously between now and when Free Agency starts some names are going to come off that list. Ovechkin and Landeskog the clear likely ones to come off the list... But that still leaves a few good names. Dougie Hamilton, Taylor Hall, Brandon Saad, RNH, Mike Hoffman, Tyson Barrie, Krejci, Tatar, Schwartz, Getzlaf, Martinez, Montour, Danault, Blake Coleman. There's certainly a few solid Top 6 forward options in that group and a couple decent Dmen to be had.

The goaltending market is quite interesting as well. I really hope the Avs bring Grubauer back, but if he ends up pricing himself out of Colorado the Avs will at least have some options in free agency this year. Though I still think Grubauer is probably the best, Mrazek, Ullmark, Andersen, are probably the 3 best options outside of Gruby. Ullmark in particular would be my #1 target after Grubs here in Colorado.



Plus the draft. Figuring out what next season will look like from a covid standpoint, and whether the Canadian border will finally open for teams to travel back and forth(I think it will)...


I think this will be a busy summer on a lot of different front. With a bit of luck, it'll be one us Avs fans can soak in with another Stanley Cup Banner to celebrate all summer long.

 

[Richard88]

The solution with Kadri is simply to get a better 3C for next season.


Well, in an ideal world anyways. Unfortunately I dont think we'll have the cap space to afford such a move. But ideally you get a guy like Danault for the 3C spot where you can have some trust that if Kadri really is just declining rapidly and struggles against next year, then you can trust Danault to step up and replace him fairly efficiently and move Kadri into the 3C spot or trade him later on in the year.

But the Avs likely wont have the space to add a guy like Danault, at least not at his UFA tag that will likely be in the 5-6M range.


I could definitely see them taking a flyer on Nolan Patrick though. We dont have a 2nd round pick... But we do have some intriguing young players/prospects as well that could be of interest to Philly. Martin Kaut with a small add as a base of a deal could work for example. I dont think Patrick has 1C upside at all not even when he was drafted and certainly not now. But I do still think if he gets a couple healthy years to get into the rhythm of it all again that he could be a solid middle 6 Center option for a team. Still a lot of questions around him and his health though.

Phillys biggest need is RHD, so perhaps one of Timmins, Helleson, or Barron would work as a base for Patrick.

 

[Belgican]

What would justify putting Patrick on a 2C, what do you do with Newhook ? I can’t believe that