Speculation: 2020-21 News/Rumors/Roster Thread Part IV

[johnjm22]

Kopitar doesn't appear to be a strong leader to me. Through the years Kopitar has put up numbers, but he has too many excuses and fails to take personal responsibility for the performance of the team. He is pretty much the kind of player who will say, "Well by the end of the season, I got my stats. What about the rest of you guys?", then walk off the stage.

This might be your perception, but it doesn't make it true.

 

[Ghetty Green]

Still think the Kings should've traded Kopitar for Ryan Johansson??? That one I won't forget lol.

Lol right?

 

[No Name The Nameless]

we have to do a rebuild right. Acting too soon or impulsively can set us back 5 years. This is our third year and we are already sniffing playoffs.

Look at the red wings. Currently year 5 or so of the rebuild (last playoffs in 2016) and everyone is saying it will be another 4ish years.

Ottawa is in year 4
Vancouver is a mess and took not one but 2-3 steps back
Edmonton had 10 straight years of futility before lucking into drai and mcdavid and they look like they're screwing that up.
Buffalo... enough said.

We can't be impatient with this.

The King's are not sniffing playoffs because of the rebuild. They are doing it off the backs of Kopitar Brown and DD. The later round guys are looking okay, however the top guys that we are litteraly banking on to be the ones to take over for those three are looking less and less likely to match our current big three.

If you can get a sure thing, who is young and under contract it's wise to try. I suggested Byfield, Iafolo and a first. That probably doesn't get it done but I'd like to hear about an attempt.

 

[Statto]

The King's are not sniffing playoffs because of the rebuild. They are doing it off the backs of Kopitar Brown and DD. The later round guys are looking okay, however the top guys that we are litteraly banking on to be the ones to take over for those three are looking less and less likely to match our current big three.

I disagree. The steps from Petersen, Anderson, Björnfot, JAD, Roy and Vilardi, plus the breakout of Kempe are why we are sniffing the play-offs. DD, Kopi and Brown are being motivated by the turnaround and progress we are seeing.

Lets give the guys in the AHL some time to develop, all it needs is a little patience. They’d all be doing much better is surrounded by even last years AHL team, but instead they are surrounded by fellow rookies. The situation has been enforced on us due to Covid but it is demonstrating perfectly why you can’t have too many rookies dressed on any given night for the Kings. They will be perfectly fine. That said if we could somehow engineer a move for Byram (Byfield not in the conversation) then I’d probably do it. However, my general view is we wait before making any big moves before the expansion draft and maybe another 12 months.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It's possible. You just gotta be smart and play money puck. It'd be like what Dean did with Modin. Modin actually played really well in his short stint. Costs us a 7th round pick. I think Lecavalier was a 3rd round pick.


No one is earning a spot over Amadio. They're being handed one because Amadio isn't good.

All I'm saying is if the Kings want improve things right now, with out costing the future, a utility center on the cheap, if they can find one, makes a lot of sense.

Which is the tricky part right? Because I feel like Colorado has been looking for a 3C upgrade for all eternity

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Kopitar doesn't appear to be a strong leader to me. Through the years Kopitar has put up numbers, but he has too many excuses and fails to take personal responsibility for the performance of the team. He is pretty much the kind of player who will say, "Well by the end of the season, I got my stats. What about the rest of you guys?", then walk off the stage.

Anze Kopitar is a glory hogging stats whore? What?

When people criticize you for doubling down on a bad take, this is exactly what they're talking about.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I disagree. The steps from Petersen, Anderson, Björnfot, JAD, Roy and Vilardi, plus the breakout of Kempe are why we are sniffing the play-offs. DD, Kopi and Brown are being motivated by the turnaround and progress we are seeing.

Lets give the guys in the AHL some time to develop, all it needs is a little patience. They’d all be doing much better is surrounded by even last years AHL team, but instead they are surrounded by fellow rookies. The situation has been enforced on us due to Covid but it is demonstrating perfectly why you can’t have too many rookies dressed on any given night for the Kings. They will be perfectly fine. That said if we could somehow engineer a move for Byram (Byfield not in the conversation) then I’d probably do it. However, my general view is we wait before making any big moves before the expansion draft and maybe another 12 months.

Agree. I think Doughty and Kopitar (and Quick with Petersen) along with Carter and Brown are doing a magnificent mentoring job right now. Anderson absolutely gushes over Doughty and vice versa--Drew is molding a 4th rounder into ME Vlasic. Kopitar is leading the team in scoring with an MVP caliber season despite having an immense defensive workload compared to the other NHL scoring leaders. Vilardi gushes over Carter. It's symbiotic and not sure what else one could ask for at this point, feel like people are selling short BOTH parties' (rookies and vets) contributions if that were possible.

 

[KINGS17]

Anze Kopitar is a glory hogging stats whore? What?

When people criticize you for doubling down on a bad take, this is exactly what they're talking about.

Don't take what I said literally. It was not my intent to make him out to be the hyperbolic description of a player you are providing in your first sentence. Kopitar is far too passive to be that guy.

 

[KINGS17]

This might be your perception, but it doesn't make it true.

Yeah, it's my opinion, but I will stand by what I have said about the Kings not winning jack while he is on his current contract.

 

[bland]

The King's are not sniffing playoffs because of the rebuild. They are doing it off the backs of Kopitar Brown and DD. The later round guys are looking okay, however the top guys that we are litteraly banking on to be the ones to take over for those three are looking less and less likely to match our current big three.

If you can get a sure thing, who is young and under contract it's wise to try. I suggested Byfield, Iafolo and a first. That probably doesn't get it done but I'd like to hear about an attempt.

These upcoming playoffs mean absolutely nothing. It would be nice to get the kids that experience, but that's it. Spending even a nickle's worth of the futures assets to chase something that can't be caught isn't just a bad idea, its a stupid idea.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I wouldn't go as far to say Kopitar is a "bad leader," but years and years ago someone on this board described him as "demure" and I think that's a pretty good descriptor.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

That's the point, it doesn't.

"Kopitar is one in maybe a thousand."
-kings17

I don't think you understand what "one in a thousand" means. It doesn't mean there are a thousand other players like Kopitar. It implies a player of Kopitar's level comes along once per every thousand pro players. He specifically contrasted that by pointing out a player like Tom Brady comes along "one in a million."

It's a value judgment focusing on rarity. And it's pretty spot on. If Tom Brady, arguably one of the greatest athletes of all time in *any* sport is 1:1,000,000, then a fringe HOFer like Kopitar is probably around 1:1,000.

Brady, Gretzky, Jordan, Ali, Tiger, these are the 1:1,000,000 athletes. A guy like Crosby is probably closer to 1:100,000.

 

[Statto]

Yeah, it's my opinion, but I will stand by what I have said about the Kings not winning jack while he is on his current contract.

We don’t necessarily need to. The veterans may or may not be part of another cup run, they are there to provide a foundation on which to build another championship team. If it all goes very well the Kopi and DD could be the shutdown guys on a contending Kings team. If it takes a bit longer and they are no longer there, it will be a team of guys that reached their potential in an environment those guys provided.

 

[jfont]

So you’re telling’ me there’s a chance...

You have to attach the giff when you say this.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Don't take what I said literally. It was not my intent to make him out to be the hyperbolic description of a player you are providing in your first sentence. Kopitar is far too passive to be that guy.

I laughed.

I just think 'taking responsibility' and I can't think of a guy who does more all around for his team than Anze. He's had some years where it isn't like this, but being MVP caliber in 2018 and this year while getting the kind of deployment that's pretty much the polar opposite of the other top-5 scorers doesn't exactly scream primadonna to me.

Not all leaders are going to check a guy thru a wall.

 

[KINGS17]

I don't think you understand what "one in a thousand" means. It doesn't mean there are a thousand other players like Kopitar. It implies a player of Kopitar's level comes along once per every thousand pro players. He specifically contrasted that by pointing out a player like Tom Brady comes along "one in a million."

It's a value judgment focusing on rarity. And it's pretty spot on. If Tom Brady, arguably one of the greatest athletes of all time in *any* sport is 1:1,000,000, then a fringe HOFer like Kopitar is probably around 1:1,000.

Brady, Gretzky, Jordan, Ali, Tiger, these are the 1:1,000,000 athletes. A guy like Crosby is probably closer to 1:100,000.

Thank you for saying it better than I did in my rebuttal to his inane post.

 

[King'sPawn]

You failing to understand the difference between statistical data and a euphemism is not my problem.

Brady is a far superior leader. Kopitar doesn't appear to be a strong leader to me. Through the years Kopitar has put up numbers, but he has too many excuses and fails to take personal responsibility for the performance of the team. He is pretty much the kind of player who will say, "Well by the end of the season, I got my stats. What about the rest of you guys?", then walk off the stage.

Plays in all situations, pp, pk, etc. Coaches from Murray, Sutter, Stevens, Desjardins, and MacLellan have had ample time to bench and discipline him.

Yet you know better than all, that he doesn't care enough or take enough personal responsibility for the success of the team.

He's far from perfect, but suggesting he doesn't take responsibility and just wants to make sure his stats look good just tells me there's nothing to discuss. Either you dislike Kopitar and you're looking for more reasons to justify it, or your perception is so skewed you're setting yourself up not to appreciate all that he brings.

 

[kingsholygrail]

I don't think you understand what "one in a thousand" means. It doesn't mean there are a thousand other players like Kopitar. It implies a player of Kopitar's level comes along once per every thousand pro players. He specifically contrasted that by pointing out a player like Tom Brady comes along "one in a million."

It's a value judgment focusing on rarity. And it's pretty spot on. If Tom Brady, arguably one of the greatest athletes of all time in *any* sport is 1:1,000,000, then a fringe HOFer like Kopitar is probably around 1:1,000.

Brady, Gretzky, Jordan, Ali, Tiger, these are the 1:1,000,000 athletes. A guy like Crosby is probably closer to 1:100,000.

Kopitar is the surest player to get in the Hall on the Kings.

 

[KINGS17]

I laughed.

I just think 'taking responsibility' and I can't think of a guy who does more all around for his team than Anze. He's had some years where it isn't like this, but being MVP caliber in 2018 and this year while getting the kind of deployment that's pretty much the polar opposite of the other top-5 scorers doesn't exactly scream primadonna to me.

Not all leaders are going to check a guy thru a wall.

I don't need him to check a guy through a wall. I think my issue with Kopitar is that he has left a lot on the table in terms of what he has accomplished vs what he could have accomplished with a different mindset. As @SettlementRichie10 says, Kopitar is a fringe HOF'er, but I think with his size and skill level, he could have been one of the all-time best 100 players to ever play the game. It's just not who he is though.

 

[kingsholygrail]

I don't need him to check a guy through a wall. I think my issue with Kopitar is that he has left a lot on the table in terms of what he has accomplished vs what he could have accomplished with a different mindset. As @SettlementRichie10 says, Kopitar is a fringe HOF'er, but I think with his size and skill level, he could have been one of the all-time best 100 players to ever play the game. It's just not who he is though.

Are you a sports psychologist? What mindset are you babbling about?

 

[justonetime]

You failing to understand the difference between statistical data and a euphemism is not my problem.

Brady is a far superior leader. Kopitar doesn't appear to be a strong leader to me. Through the years Kopitar has put up numbers, but he has too many excuses and fails to take personal responsibility for the performance of the team. He is pretty much the kind of player who will say, "Well by the end of the season, I got my stats. What about the rest of you guys?", then walk off the stage.

Years ago, if you could pick any player in the league to trade Kopitar for, it would have been Ryan Johansen. Ryan F****** Johansen. And I happen to remember that because you went out of your way to send me a PM titled "You're not very bright." Yet here you are, still being a condensing asshole about the same subject, pretending other people are "failing to understand". Maybe you are just wrong?

 

[cyclones22]

It's the same one note that has been playing for years now. It's not even worth listening to anymore.

 

[KINGS17]

Plays in all situations, pp, pk, etc. Coaches from Murray, Sutter, Stevens, Desjardins, and MacLellan have had ample time to bench and discipline him.

Yet you know better than all, that he doesn't care enough or take enough personal responsibility for the success of the team.

He's far from perfect, but suggesting he doesn't take responsibility and just wants to make sure his stats look good just tells me there's nothing to discuss. Either you dislike Kopitar and you're looking for more reasons to justify it, or your perception is so skewed you're setting yourself up not to appreciate all that he brings.

Yeah, I will admit that didn't come out right because Kopitar isn't a glory seeker. I get a sense of him being "satisfied" with his contribution if he comes out of a season with somewhere between 65-70 points, and the team was still DFL. That's not a trait I like in him.

 

[KINGS17]

Years ago, if you could pick any player in the league to trade Kopitar for, it would have been Ryan Johansen. Ryan F****** Johansen. And I happen to remember that because you went out of your way to send me a PM titled "You're not very bright." Yet here you are, still being a condensing asshole about the same subject, pretending other people are "failing to understand". Maybe you are just wrong?

Years ago, he was an example (i.e. one of several).

The term you are looking for is "condescending", and if that is how you are feeling, in your case, you're probably correct.

 

[justonetime]

Years ago, he was an example (i.e. one of several).

The term you are looking for is "condescending", and if that is how you are feeling, in your case, you're probably correct.

What were your other choices? Cause that was the name you suggested, repeatedly.

Good job, you noticed I mistyped a word. Glad you were bright enough to figure it out anyway.