Speculation: 2020-21 News/Rumors/Roster Thread Part IV

[Raccoon Jesus]

Amadio had a decent game last game, more assertive, less disastrous in his own end, having said that, he's holding a place until JAD comes back or Lias Andersson figures it out, or something, no reason to keep Kupari up and burn his ELC, but it was good to get him a taste, and tell him, you need to work on this etc etc, and let him go play. They SHOULD be doing that with Turcotte and Byfield as well, bring them up 2 games, give them that taste, and then say go work on this this and this, etc.

Pretty much exactly what TM said re: Kupari too. Go down and dominate.

Amadio had a good game, and it's more of the usual--he looks the part, holds his own, isn't a liability--but there's zero actual production happening. In this part of the rebuild, we need guys who can make plays. Same issue I have with MacDermid at this point. These guys are healthy scratches/roster holdovers--they can pop in for a game or two but they're black holes in terms of doing anything productive.

Vilalta must feel good. He went from making peanuts in the AHL as a backup to making about 20k + per diem to open the bench door in the NHL.

I hope he also is shitting his pants at the prospect of facing NHLers after not being able to stop a beach ball in the A

 

[Herby]

Amadio had a decent game last game, more assertive, less disastrous in his own end, having said that, he's holding a place until JAD comes back or Lias Andersson figures it out, or something, no reason to keep Kupari up and burn his ELC, but it was good to get him a taste, and tell him, you need to work on this etc etc, and let him go play. They SHOULD be doing that with Turcotte and Byfield as well, bring them up 2 games, give them that taste, and then say go work on this this and this, etc.

Kupari was called up because he earned it.

I could see your point if the Kings were where the Ducks are in the standings and getting those guys some games, but as of now, neither one is going to help the Kings at the NHL level.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

 

[Ollie Weeks]

Well if he plays let’s pull for a big bounce back effort. He can’t be any worse than the game before last, right?

 

[KINGS17]

Part of the point of re-signing Kopitar and Doughty to big money is that they are still top quality players now. And having those types of players available to mentor and practice against for our top young prospects is invaluable. Their contracts have zero impact on the Kings currently. Even if you think they do go ahead and replace those contract values with lesser players and if you find better players for less money explain to me how they realistically end up on the Kings.

Yes, it is certainly telling with all the great strides in development made by the young guys playing with Kopitar and Doughty that they are great mentors.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Think of all the years the Penguins couldn't get it done with Crosby and Malkin after they got their one against Detroit.

The Pens got to keep trying though. Took 7 years to win another Cup, but they never bottomed out during that time. Never missed the playoffs during that time. They still haven't even 4 years since their last win, although they may not be a true contender anymore.

Obviously having Crosby helps with that. Malkin on top of that as well. Few teams have 1, let alone 2 guys like them.

 

[kingsholygrail]

The Pens got to keep trying though. Took 7 years to win another Cup, but they never bottomed out during that time. Never missed the playoffs during that time. They still haven't even 4 years since their last win, although they may not be a true contender anymore.

Obviously having Crosby helps with that. Malkin on top of that as well. Few teams have 1, let alone 2 guys like them.

Moneyballing doesn't work in this league though. Doesn't work in any league really.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Yes, it is certainly telling with all the great strides in development made by the young guys playing with Kopitar and Doughty that they are great mentors.

Gotta have some talented young guys first.

Who made the NE Patriots? Brady, or Belichick? Is Scotty Bowman a great coach, or did he just get to coach a ton of great players on the same teams? Trotz didn't make the Caps, and he has yet to get over any humps with the Preds or Islanders.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Kupari was called up because he earned it.

I could see your point if the Kings were where the Ducks are in the standings and getting those guys some games, but as of now, neither one is going to help the Kings at the NHL level.

I'm thinking long term more than short term at this point.....Kupari was called him because JAD was hurt, and they don't trust Liam Andersson, plus he did deserve it. Point is in a season like this, long term growth for Byfield and company, let them have a cup of coffee....show them what they actually need to do do play in the NHL and then let them go down and work on it.

 

[KINGS17]

Gotta have some talented young guys first.

Who made the NE Patriots? Brady, or Belichick? Is Scotty Bowman a great coach, or did he just get to coach a ton of great players on the same teams? Trotz didn't make the Caps, and he has yet to get over any humps with the Preds or Islanders.

Brady is one in a million. Kopitar is one in maybe a thousand.

 

[Herby]

Gotta have some talented young guys first.

Who made the NE Patriots? Brady, or Belichick?

Belichick is 51-65 without Brady and Brady just won a SB his first year away.

I’m surprised people debate it to be honest.

Players are almost always more important than coaches in pro sports.

 

[Maynard]

Brady is one in a million. Kopitar is one in maybe a thousand.

So you’re telling’ me there’s a chance...

 

[tbrown33]

Brady is one in a million. Kopitar is one in maybe a thousand.

Please name one thousand other 2x cup winning future hall of famers.

 

[KINGS17]

So you’re telling’ me there’s a chance...

Slim to None, and "Slim" just left the building.

 

[KINGS17]

Please name one thousand other 2x cup winning future hall of famers.

Please tell me how this makes any sense.

 

[tbrown33]

Please tell me how this makes any sense.

That's the point, it doesn't.

"Kopitar is one in maybe a thousand."
-kings17

 

[KINGS17]

Belichick is 51-65 without Brady and Brady just won a SB his first year away.

I’m surprised people debate it to be honest.

Players are almost always more important than coaches in pro sports.

Yeah, I agree. I also think Brady is a complete outlier which we see maybe a couple of times in our lifetime. I have seen at least a few dozen Anze Kopitar-type players in my lifetime.

 

[KINGS17]

That's the point, it doesn't.

"Kopitar is one in maybe a thousand."
-kings17

Your post had nothing to do with the point I was making.

 

[tbrown33]

Your post had nothing to do with the point I was making.

You didn't make any point at all.

 

[Stimpythecat]

we have to do a rebuild right. Acting too soon or impulsively can set us back 5 years. This is our third year and we are already sniffing playoffs.

Look at the red wings. Currently year 5 or so of the rebuild (last playoffs in 2016) and everyone is saying it will be another 4ish years.

Ottawa is in year 4
Vancouver is a mess and took not one but 2-3 steps back
Edmonton had 10 straight years of futility before lucking into drai and mcdavid and they look like they're screwing that up.
Buffalo... enough said.

We can't be impatient with this.

 

[KINGS17]

You didn't make any point at all.

Yeah, I did. If you can't understand it, not my problem.

 

[johnjm22]

You aren't getting anytbing worthwhile with a 3rd round pick to give the youth definite competition.

It's possible. You just gotta be smart and play money puck. It'd be like what Dean did with Modin. Modin actually played really well in his short stint. Costs us a 7th round pick. I think Lecavalier was a 3rd round pick.

Let the centers earn a spot over Amadio once they're healthy. Is he that much worse than fillers like Trent Klatt or the like?

No one is earning a spot over Amadio. They're being handed one because Amadio isn't good.

All I'm saying is if the Kings want improve things right now, with out costing the future, a utility center on the cheap, if they can find one, makes a lot of sense.

 

[tbrown33]

Yeah, I did. If you can't understand it, not my problem.

lmao, I understand ratios just fine. I guess you have a fundamental misunderstanding of fractions?

1/1,000 = 1,000/1,000,000

No, Kopitar's rarity isnt a 1,000x multiplier of Brady's. That makes zero sense.

 

[KingLB]

I'm thinking long term more than short term at this point.....Kupari was called him because JAD was hurt, and they don't trust Liam Andersson, plus he did deserve it. Point is in a season like this, long term growth for Byfield and company, let them have a cup of coffee....show them what they actually need to do do play in the NHL and then let them go down and work on it.

The plan is probably cup off coffee once banned from AHL due to OHL return. Best way to maximize total number of NHL+AHL games for him is to wait until that day. Then bring up for NHL games.

 

[KINGS17]

lmao, I understand ratios just fine. I guess you have a fundamental misunderstanding of fractions?

1/1,000 = 1,000/1,000,000

No, Kopitar's rarity isnt a 1,000x multiplier of Brady's. That makes zero sense.

You failing to understand the difference between statistical data and a euphemism is not my problem.

Brady is a far superior leader. Kopitar doesn't appear to be a strong leader to me. Through the years Kopitar has put up numbers, but he has too many excuses and fails to take personal responsibility for the performance of the team. He is pretty much the kind of player who will say, "Well by the end of the season, I got my stats. What about the rest of you guys?", then walk off the stage.