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Speculation: 2020-21 News/Rumors/Roster Thread Part IV

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I don't think Vilardi will be traded, at least not yet. Due to his injury history, he's lost a lot of value. He will have to prove he can be a durable player to recoup some of that.

I think the talk of Vilardi on the wing is in part due to the kings center depth and to lessen the strain on his back. Center is normally tougher to play.
 
Perratrooper said:
I appreciate the insight and agree with most of your analysis. I think value wise we’re still a bit off as I have Byram ahead of Byfield in value, but obviously that’s a difference of opinion at this point.

I think the potential to move Byram is there for sure. I personally don’t think it’s the right route, but if it were to win the Avs a cup it would be hard to complain. I do think Toews is the most likely of the three to get moved given he’s the oldest and least valuable, not to mention he’s been lights out for us so far. No way Girard gets moved unless it’s for a king ransom IMO. He’s played like a high end #2 this year and is signed for 6 more years at $5mil. Byram is currently the worst of the three, but has the potential to be our best all around defenseman.
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Understood, and FWIW, I get valuing Byram over Byfield especially since the former is already in the NHL. From a Kings perspective, it's like a Doughty versus Kopitar argument which is nearly impossible to choose if they're both playing at their best.
 
BringTheReign said:
Understood, and FWIW, I get valuing Byram over Byfield especially since the former is already in the NHL. From a Kings perspective, it's like a Doughty versus Kopitar argument which is nearly impossible to choose if they're both playing at their best.
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Agreed and as you said since Byram is in the NHL he’s closer to Doughty than Byfield is to Kopitar currently. I think ultimately it would be hard for Colorado to trade for Byfield and lose an NHL player for a high risk high reward prospect. So ultimately I don’t think the value is there for Byram on a 1 for 1 trade.
 
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I saw someone say something like "trade to add, not to build" and I think that resonates here.

Hard to make those moves until you know what you have and what you need.
 
Big no on the Colorado trade. Trade Kopitar's likely replacement for a likely very good d-man. Who is the Kings 1C in three years?

Big yes on the Buffalo trade. Trade Kopitar's likely replacement for his guaranteed replacement who can be a star with him for the next 3 years.

If the Kings want a likely future #1 d-man they have the prospect capital to move up in this years draft and wouldn't have to include Byfield.
 
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Going through capfriendly looking at LD that could be a target and I’m not seeing a whole lot on the youngish side.

Best I can think is Werenski because majority of the Blue Jackets roster is RFA or UFA in 22-23 including Jones. And who knows what Laine will ask for this off-season.

And Pelech from the Islanders, only Cizikas is a UfA in the off-season. Pelech and Beauvillier both are RFAs and will get raises and Isles are up against the cap.
 
The King's main need is center.

They need a speedy center that can win face offs, kill penalties, and be relied on defensively. That would improve the roster more than anything.
 
BringTheReign said:
Wow, that's huge. I didn't realize AA was a RFA. I think the tough part is thinking out how many years you'd want to sign him for. He sure looks like he's capable of being a 25 goal, top 6 winger moving forward. If you're confident in that, you try to lock him for a while at his age. However, if you're worried about his consistency, maybe you give him something akin to Kempe or Iafallo's current deal. If he produces through the bridge deal though, you could be on the hook for a big raise to keep him later on.

I wonder if he'd take Toffoli's deal. $4M x 4 years.
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Definitely think you can sign him for cheaper than that
 
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LAKings88 said:
Kopi
Vilardi
JAD
Kupari
Turcotte
Byfield
Thomas
Madden

Lizotte
Andersson
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The Kings are weak at center right now in the NHL. We have a lot of high-end center prospects, but I'm talking about the team RIGHT NOW.

The Kings rely on their top offensive center to also be their top defensive center because they have no one else.

Making your 33 year old center take all your d-zone draws, and take up all your PK minutes, while also needing him to be your top scorer is just really dumb.
 
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johnjm22 said:
The Kings are weak at center right now in the NHL. We have a lot of high-end center prospects, but I'm talking about the team RIGHT NOW.

The Kings rely on their top offensive center to also be their top defensive center because they have no one else.

Making your 33 year old center take all your d-zone draws, and take up all your PK minutes, while also needing him to be your top scorer is just really dumb.
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Kopitar isn’t doing all those things because we have weak centers. He does it because he is one of, if not the best two way player in the league.He was doing this when our other centers were Richards, Carter and Stoll.

We need a #1 young LD, either from the draft, Ufa, or trade. IMO I think that player is Dahlin. But that’s just my opinion.
 
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johnjm22 said:
The Kings are weak at center right now in the NHL. We have a lot of high-end center prospects, but I'm talking about the team RIGHT NOW.

The Kings rely on their top offensive center to also be their top defensive center because they have no one else.

Making your 33 year old center take all your d-zone draws, and take up all your PK minutes, while also needing him to be your top scorer is just really dumb.
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They are supposed to be weak right now.

That's how these things work. Settle in, it's going to be a looooooong while before they worry about RIGHT NOW.
 
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Sleeping Dog said:
Let’s not. I like Eichel, but that is too pricey for me. I’m good to stand pat, let our young guys develop and then see what we need in a year or two.
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I think Eichel is a reasonable hope for Byfield to eventually become, but we don't know if he does reach that level. Trading him and a mid first for a guarantee is a trade you have to make. Especially because it solves the problem of bridging the gap between our high end vets and high end prospects. That trade seems like a no brainer to me.
 
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bland said:
They are supposed to be weak right now.

That's how these things work. Settle in, it's going to be a looooooong while before they worry about RIGHT NOW.
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I know. But if we're talking about improving the team right now (hypothetically), a center is what we need.

I'm not in favor of giving up significant assets to help this current team for a playoff run, but if they could get a center on the cheap that could take D-zone draws and PK and give us a little speed up the middle it would help a lot.

The Lukeman said:
Kopitar isn’t doing all those things because we have weak centers. He does it because he is one of, if not the best two way player in the league.He was doing this when our other centers were Richards, Carter and Stoll.
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Not really. The duties used to be more spread out. He has always PK'd and been be relied on for D, but he wasn't the only reliable one back then and was also younger.

His even strength offense it hurting right now.
 
johnjm22 said:
Not really. The duties used to be more spread out. He has always PK'd and been be relied on for D, but he wasn't the only reliable one back then and was also younger.

His even strength offense it hurting right now.
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Stoll was the go-to for those big draws. Kopitar was usually on his wing as a backup.
 
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People like to compare Kopitar to Bergeron.

Look at their Offensive Zone Start Percentages:
Bergeron: 63.4%
Kopitar: 47.8%

The Bruins use Kuraly take the D-Zone draws. Kurlay's O-Zone Start Percentage is 18.9%

This way the Bruins don't waste the shifts of their best offensive player by making him start his shifts all the way deep in his own zone. It's a much more efficient way to utilize your players.
 
johnjm22 said:
People like to compare Kopitar to Bergeron.

Look at their Offensive Zone Start Percentages:
Bergeron: 63.4%
Kopitar: 47.8%

The Bruins use Kuraly take the D-Zone draws. Kurlay's O-Zone Start Percentage is 18.9%

This way the Bruins don't waste the shifts of their best offensive player by making him start his shifts all the way deep in his own zone. It's a much more efficient way to utilize your players.
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I'd also be in favor of cutting down Kopi & Brown's penalty kill time... so they can continue shining on the PP. :bow:
 
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