2019 Off-Season Non-Management Thread - Canucks/Boeser talking 4-5 years, $7m AAV - Kypreos)

[clunk]

I mean, New Jersey traded their pick for Schneider when they were hosting. Canucks could pull something similar.

 

[CanaFan]

I mean, New Jersey traded their pick for Schneider when they were hosting. Canucks could pull something similar.

They could. And I expect it would work out about as well for us as it did for them.

 

[clunk]

They could. And I expect it would work out about as well for us as it did for them.

Depends on the target, really. However, our current FO making the trade is a disaster waiting to happen, and they will be taken to the cleaners.

I could see them trading it for a player like Gostisbehere, which would obviously be a mistake even though he's a good player.. Either acquire an impact player on an ELC worth the 10th, like said above, or just ****ing keep it. I really hope they just keep it and let Judd make the pick.

 

[DonnyNucker]

I think we could trade it but I don’t see how we don’t have a pick hosting the draft. I’m sure ownership would be angry

He can’t trade our pick without ownerships approval

 

[polarbearcub]

He can’t trade our pick without ownerships approval

No...they don’t meddle.. franky said so

 

[CanaFan]

Depends on the target, really. However, our current FO making the trade is a disaster waiting to happen, and they will be taken to the cleaners.

I could see them trading it for a player like Gostisbehere, which would obviously be a mistake even though he's a good player.. Either acquire an impact player on an ELC worth the 10th, like said above, or just ****ing keep it. I really hope they just keep it and let Judd make the pick.

In a vacuum, I agree a target like Ghost would be fair value for our pick, but I still think it’s a low value move for us considering he duplicates a lot of what Hughes is expected to do for us, but at 7 years older and 4 years from UFA. Since I don’t see this team 4 years away from serious cup contention - even with Ghost we are a mess on defense and lack quality forward depth - I think we would get poor return on that trade. If we could target someone who is currently 21 or 22 who is an established NHLer but still has upside to improve - someone like Ehlers or Nylander - then I could see the value of such a move. But swapping an 18 y/o with potentially 8-10 cost controlled years for a 26 y/o with <5 cc years doesn’t make a ton of sense.

 

[sting101]

Every team is open for business. Not every team has a lame duck GM with a horrendous pro scouting track record that is reportedly putting their top 10 pick “in play”.

well .....you should be scared and make up hypotheticals of pending doom then

 

[BeardyCanuck03]

Depends on the target, really. However, our current FO making the trade is a disaster waiting to happen, and they will be taken to the cleaners.

I could see them trading it for a player like Gostisbehere, which would obviously be a mistake even though he's a good player.. Either acquire an impact player on an ELC worth the 10th, like said above, or just ****ing keep it. I really hope they just keep it and let Judd make the pick.

Gostisbehere is a top 4 puck moving dman who can play both sides. He has put up 60 points in a season and is a consistent 40+ point dman. He's locked up for 4 more seasons at a very cap friendly $4.5M cap hit. I'm not sure why that's something you would avoid moving a 10th overall in this draft for.

 

[The Drop]

Gostisbehere is a top 4 puck moving dman who can play both sides. He has put up 60 points in a season and is a consistent 40+ point dman. He's locked up for 4 more seasons at a very cap friendly $4.5M cap hit. I'm not sure why that's something you would avoid moving a 10th overall in this draft for.

I think it depends on where you think this team is at development-wise.

Ghost would be an excellent haul for the 10th if the Canucks were about to start contending.

I don’t think they’re at that point. If we had say, Tkachuk and something impactful from the 2014 draft then I’d say that would be a smart move.

I’m not sure the Canucks are going to be a contender during the years of which his deal is s bargain.

 

[Melvin]

Gostisbehere is a top 4 puck moving dman who can play both sides. He has put up 60 points in a season and is a consistent 40+ point dman. He's locked up for 4 more seasons at a very cap friendly $4.5M cap hit. I'm not sure why that's something you would avoid moving a 10th overall in this draft for.

I realize that 37 and 39 are "close enough" to 40, but it's still disingenuous to describe someone as a "consistent 40+ point player" when he's done that in 2 of 4 years. I don't really have an opinion of whether or not Ghost is a good target for Vancouver, but there's no need to stretch the facts. We can call him a 35+ point player without a loss of much meaning. We're loooking at a guy who's failed to hit the 40 mark in 2 of the last 3 years, but cleared 60 in the other one. That's a tough projection.

 

[sting101]

Gostisbehere is a top 4 puck moving dman who can play both sides. He has put up 60 points in a season and is a consistent 40+ point dman. He's locked up for 4 more seasons at a very cap friendly $4.5M cap hit. I'm not sure why that's something you would avoid moving a 10th overall in this draft for.

its been covered.
He's a bad defensive player who is good offensively. Him and Hughes would clash in their roles and this team needs stability on the back end if its gonna cost them assets not a player that needs to be sheltered.
Why do you think the Flyers would move him?

 

[PetterssonSimp]

In a vacuum, I agree a target like Ghost would be fair value for our pick, but I still think it’s a low value move for us considering he duplicates a lot of what Hughes is expected to do for us, but at 7 years older and 4 years from UFA. Since I don’t see this team 4 years away from serious cup contention - even with Ghost we are a mess on defense and lack quality forward depth - I think we would get poor return on that trade. If we could target someone who is currently 21 or 22 who is an established NHLer but still has upside to improve - someone like Ehlers or Nylander - then I could see the value of such a move. But swapping an 18 y/o with potentially 8-10 cost controlled years for a 26 y/o with <5 cc years doesn’t make a ton of sense.

When the Canucks acquired Ehrhoff back in the day, would you have traded a top 10 draft pick? I would not! Ghost is not a player you pay a top 10 draft pick for. He needs 60% offensive zone starts, and Top PP mins to get the most out of his offensive capabilities. I’d rather save that role for the guy we literally spent a Top7 draft pick on already rather than someone else’s because they’ve realized they have a 3rd pairing PP specialist being paid Top4 money.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Gostisbehere is a top 4 puck moving dman who can play both sides. He has put up 60 points in a season and is a consistent 40+ point dman. He's locked up for 4 more seasons at a very cap friendly $4.5M cap hit. I'm not sure why that's something you would avoid moving a 10th overall in this draft for.

Refer to my post that just explained this

 

[BeardyCanuck03]

its been covered.
He's a bad defensive player who is good offensively. Him and Hughes would clash in their roles and this team needs stability on the back end if its gonna cost them assets not a player that needs to be sheltered.
Why do you think the Flyers would move him?

I'm not saying 10th straight up for Gostisbehere, but in a more complex deal I'd be interested.

I also don't think Benning will be moving that 10th pick for anything less than a home run trade.

The Canucks need to fix their blueline and make it one that can help produce offense. Gostisbehere can play the right side, and if the Canucks trade for him I would expect him to play there.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

its been covered.
He's a bad defensive player who is good offensively. Him and Hughes would clash in their roles and this team needs stability on the back end if its gonna cost them assets not a player that needs to be sheltered.
Why do you think the Flyers would move him?

Which is exactly why I can believe so many are against a quality defenceman like PK Subban when I’m still quite positive the cap savings would be more valuable then the acquired pieces for him. Juolevi and 40th overall for Subban and you have an actual balance

 

[Addison Rae]

I’d easily trade the pick for a good young player, but I have zero faith in Benning’s definition of good.

 

[sting101]

I'm not saying 10th straight up for Gostisbehere, but in a more complex deal I'd be interested.

I also don't think Benning will be moving that 10th pick for anything less than a home run trade.

The Canucks need to fix their blueline and make it one that can help produce offense. Gostisbehere can play the right side, and if the Canucks trade for him I would expect him to play there.

No they need a defense that can keep pucks out of the net primarily and not be useless in the offensive zone secondly. Hughes and Juolevi will be enough of a concern.

Philly is shopping him for a reason. It's not like their defense doesnt need quality players?

 

[VanillaCoke]

No they need a defense that can keep pucks out of the net primarily and not be useless in the offensive zone secondly. Hughes and Juolevi will be enough of a concern.

Philly is shopping him for a reason. It's not like their defense doesnt need quality players?

Forest---> trees.

Philly has quality players on defense, too many, that they drafted. Enough so that they can trade another good player, that they drafted, for forward help that they need more.

And they've been better than us the last 5 years

 

[Josepho]

Back around January or so I hypothesized Parayko and Hamilton as the kinds of players I'd be willing to move our 1st for.

But now that looks even more unlikely than it did back then. Keep the pick, Jim.

 

[sting101]

Which is exactly why I can believe so many are against a quality defenceman like PK Subban when I’m still quite positive the cap savings would be more valuable then the acquired pieces for him. Juolevi and 40th overall for Subban and you have an actual balance

Subban is 30 and is a locker room personality that rubs people the wrong way. It's not that he's a cancer as much as he just always has to be the centre of attention. It wears thin

Nashville has an embarrassment of riches on D so it's an option

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Subban is 30 and is a locker room personality that rubs people the wrong way. It's not that he's a cancer as much as he just always has to be the centre of attention. It wears thin

Nashville has an embarrassment of riches on D so it's an option

tbh knowing bo, boes, and petey’s personalities, this canucks core could probably benefit from a big loud guy soaking up all the attention.

 

[Love]

If we trade 10th in a deal for Subban that would be massive mistake.

 

[sting101]

Forest---> trees.

Philly has quality players on defense, too many, that they drafted. Enough so that they can trade another good player, that they drafted, for forward help that they need more.

And they've been better than us the last 5 years

Sure somewhat. but you still have to question why Ghost would be the one they are shopping. It's not like the Flyers young defense has proven anything yet in terms of being one of the better ones in the league.
And being better than us the last 5yrs means nothing for them going forward

 

[CanaFan]

well .....you should be scared and make up hypotheticals of pending doom then

I *am* scared of most of the realistic hypotheticals.

 

[ATypicalCanadian]

Craig is out to lunch. No way we are hosting the draft without a first round pick

I would change that statement to “They won’t trade the pick as the host team until they’re about to go up, if it all.”

The draft and more specifically the host teams draft pick is used as a tool to create a spectacle for the hometown fans in attendance.

New Jersey traded for Schneider and it was kept quiet due to Lamoriello threatening to cancel the trade if it got out early.

Dallas - Modano and Benn

Chicago - Toews and Kane