2019 Off-Season Non-Management Thread - Canucks/Boeser talking 4-5 years, $7m AAV - Kypreos)

[Melvin]

That would be hilarious and almost worth the hire.

Myth

 

[krutovsdonut]

While I’m not his biggest fan, I think he wouldn’t accept being a flunky to Aquaman and would demand autonomy with respect to hockey operations.

i think he's an old dog who at this point would just be happy to be invited on a hunt. his autonomy would come from giving no shits.

 

[Peter10]

can make a list like that from every team. Sutter if healthy would not be garbage. Gudbranson is Pearson...i like that move. I will bet he scores 20 this year if he stays healthy. Nillson and Del Zotto bought us some time and brought back a couple picks and Schenn who may be useful

Gudbranson and Sutter should have never been acquired in the first place. Who knows what Pearson can do when it's not garbage time, we have seen stuff like this before with Jokinen, Leipsic and whoever. Just scoring at a decent rate for bit doesn't matter if you cant keep it up. Pearson has done it before but I am not convinced he ll be worth the money.

Nilson and del Zotto didnt bought time, the occupied roster spots which could have been taken by AHLer without quality loss. Schenn is not a positive acquisition he was a throw in to keep the roster limit intact. You dont need to sign a crap defenseman for several millions to acquire a pending UFA who was told by his last team to consider retirement and whose team wants to clear a 50 contract spot. Actually quite often teams pay you to take on an unwanted contract.

 

[Carnal]

Been saying 7 years/$50 million is what Myers will get for the last couple months. That contract will instantly be one of the worst in the NHL.

Because 6'8".

Ughhh, gross. I can already see the nonsense local newspapers promoting his overrated play and huge physique.

 

[CherryToke]

Of course Benning would be looking into acquiring Rasmus Ristolainen.

 

[Addison Rae]

yay..

Is this real life?

Zaitsev, Ristolainen, Myers, Bogosian.

I want to f***ing die.

 

[CanaFan]

Doesn’t signing Gardiner sound a lot more palatable given that these are the probable alternatives?

 

[TruGr1t]

Doesn’t signing Gardiner sound a lot more palatable given that these are the probable alternatives?

Depends on the contract. I'm beginning to suspect Gardiner will cost the Canucks in excess of 7x7. The only way I see the Canucks getting him is to give him the largest contract ... AAV number could get up to $8M+.

 

[CanaFan]

Depends on the contract. I'm beginning to suspect Gardiner will cost the Canucks in excess of 7x7. The only way I see the Canucks getting him is to give him the largest contract ... AAV number could get up to $8M+.

$8M is too much for me but I could live with $7 and change if it sated Benning’s obsession for a “name” defenseman and kept us away from these bigger blunders.

It’s a shame he’s being distracted by big-name defensemen like a cat chasing a red dot when are there potential cap-induced bargains to be explored with teams like SJ, WPG, and TO. It’s definitely not surprising but it is a shame.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

FA and bidding aside, what do you think is actual fair market value for gardiner? And what # D would he be considered?

 

[MS]

Is this real life?

Zaitsev, Ristolainen, Myers, Bogosian.

I want to ****ing die.

Shockingly, when a bad GM who hasn't been able to find a decent defender in 6 years on the job and doesn't seem to have a clue how to scout the position or what makes a defender effective goes shopping for defenders, it's basically a laundry list of the worst, most over-rated defenders in the sport.

 

[CanaFan]

FA and bidding aside, what do you think is actual fair market value for gardiner? And what # D would he be considered?

Value wise, he’s a solid #2 on a good team, a #3 on an amazing team, no?

I’m not great with defensemen valuations but I think that’s reasonable.

 

[MS]

Value wise, he’s a solid #2 on a good team, a #3 on an amazing team, no?

I’m not great with defensemen valuations but I think that’s reasonable.

He's a 2nd pairing puckmover who doesn't have to be sheltered quite as much as guys like Barrie or Gostisbehere, but still isn't great defensively.

 

[Addison Rae]

Ehlers is apparently being shopped for Dougie Hamilton or Brett Pesce.

Both those defenders would be massive for this organization, but we clearly don’t have the expendable assets to get the deal done.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Shockingly, when a bad GM who hasn't been able to find a decent defender in 6 years on the job and doesn't seem to have a clue how to scout the position or what makes a defender effective goes shopping for defenders, it's basically a laundry list of the worst, most over-rated defenders in the sport.

i love how dhaliwal's speculation this morning on why the canucks would contact buffalo effortlessly segues into a fact to use to beat benning with.

he hasn't signed or trade for any of them. the entire list is a concoction of speculation and rumour compiled from the limits to which journalists will push their reputation to feed the beast. the canucks are rumoured to have done no more than inquire on the ask for zaitsev. the canucks called buffalo, and dhaliwal speculates it might be risto or bogosian even though he also speculates it's due to the stall with edler which would logically trigger a search for a lhd. myers as a possible target has a better provenance, but we have no idea what they would offer and they cannot even talk to myers right now.

but nevertheless benning is a stupidhead who probably will do something stupid so lol at what a stupidhead he is for probably doing that stupid thing. rinse, repeat.

 

[TruGr1t]

FA and bidding aside, what do you think is actual fair market value for gardiner? And what # D would he be considered?

As in salary? I think you'd have to be happy with anything under $7M AAV for him. There was a rumor out there that Gardiner was willing to take a "considerable" hometown discount to play for Toronto and people thought that would sit at ~$6M AAV. If you'd managed to lock him up just shy of that number it would be a great contract. Anything between around $6.5-$7M AAV is probably fair in UFA.

I still think that you'd need to materially overpay (north of a 7x7 deal) to entice Gardiner to Vancouver. His first preference is apparently staying in Toronto, but I'd wager teams in the northeastern vicinity will have an advantage.

 

[MS]

Ehlers is apparently being shopped for Dougie Hamilton or Brett Pesce.

Both those defenders would be massive for this organization, but we clearly don’t have the expendable assets to get the deal done.

Wouldn't really rate those two players similarly. Pesce is a beast. Would pay huge for him. Hamilton is .... ok. And it's interesting that there are rumours of him being traded from yet another team.

 

[RandV]

FA and bidding aside, what do you think is actual fair market value for gardiner? And what # D would he be considered?

Just taking a quick glance I think Keith Yandle would be a good comparable. Hit UFA 1 year older and in 2016 signed a 7 year $44.45M contract (6.35 avg cap). Yandle was a bit better point producer but the cap has gone up so you get some inflation, so Gardiner should probably be 'worth' 6.0-6.5 but more likely to go 6.5-7.5 because of the UFA market. For the Canucks to land him would probably take an extra over payment so more like 7.5-9.0. Seems ridiculous but Jeff Skinner got $9M so who knows, if you took contracts out of the pictures I'd think Skinner for Gardiner would be a fairly equal W for D swap.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Ehlers is apparently being shopped for Dougie Hamilton or Brett Pesce.

Both those defenders would be massive for this organization, but we clearly don’t have the expendable assets to get the deal done.

makes sense as a way to put some pressure on myers to indicate that they may have options.

 

[F A N]

Those are brutal contracts and that $6 million commitment for two ancient 4th liners is going to kill us in 21-22 when we have to re-sign Hughes and Pettersson and are (hopefully) trying to compete.

And again, rookie coaches telling GMs who to acquire is a case of the inmates running the asylum.

Roussel being classified as a 4th line player is a misnoer. He's spent most of his career as a 3rd line player.

That you would have considered either contract palatable blows my mind Sting. They are clear exhibits that this GM does not know what he’s doing.

I think your bar for success/failure of management is too low to be considered reasonable. Far too low.

You sure get your mind blown easily. How is Roussel's contract not palatable? Hagelin is a year older and just got a 4 year contract for slightly less. The stats suggest that Roussel was effective this year and he's traditionally been a positive possession player who is not wholly dependent on his linemates as he was this past season.

 

[MS]

i love how dhaliwal's speculation this morning on why the canucks would contact buffalo effortlessly segues into a fact to use to beat benning with.

he hasn't signed or trade for any of them. the entire list is a concoction of speculation and rumour compiled from the limits to which journalists will push their reputation to feed the beast. the canucks are rumoured to have done no more than inquire on the ask for zaitsev. the canucks called buffalo, and dhaliwal speculates it might be risto or bogosian even though he also speculates it's due to the stall with edler which would logically trigger a search for a lhd. myers as a possible target has a better provenance, but we have no idea what they would offer and they cannot even talk to myers right now.

but nevertheless benning is a stupidhead who probably will do something stupid so lol at what a stupidhead he is for probably doing that stupid thing. rinse, repeat.

What are your thoughts on the defender's we've acquired here in 6 years of Benning's pro scouting?

What are your thoughts on the quality of the list of names we've been linked to this offseason?

Do you actually believe Benning has earned the benefit of the doubt for fans to not be concerned when this idiot is linked to a laundry list of terrible players?

 

[THE Green Man]

i love how dhaliwal's speculation this morning on why the canucks would contact buffalo effortlessly segues into a fact to use to beat benning with.

he hasn't signed or trade for any of them. the entire list is a concoction of speculation and rumour compiled from the limits to which journalists will push their reputation to feed the beast. the canucks are rumoured to have done no more than inquire on the ask for zaitsev. the canucks called buffalo, and dhaliwal speculates it might be risto or bogosian even though he also speculates it's due to the stall with edler which would logically trigger a search for a lhd. myers as a possible target has a better provenance, but we have no idea what they would offer and they cannot even talk to myers right now.

but nevertheless benning is a stupidhead who probably will do something stupid so lol at what a stupidhead he is for probably doing that stupid thing. rinse, repeat.

After 5 years of piss poor pro talent evaluation at the position yes there is cause for concern- even before a move has been officially made. There is precedent in Benning losing trades no matter which position he is trading for, but the worst thus far being getting fleeced for Gudbrandson. So while yes Benning is probably getting extra criticism at this time without making a move, his past moves do not instill any confidence, so any rumor the team is linked to, we will be apprehensive for the fear of overpaying (in free agency or via trade) in order for him to save his job while destroying the long term outlook of the team.

 

[MS]

Roussel being classified as a 4th line player is a misnoer. He's spent most of his career as a 3rd line player.

He'll be a 4th liner in 21-22.

 

[sting101]

I would think Benning is looking for right side help.

It kinda meets the 3 weeks he said about Schenn also. Myers is likely going to stay in Winnipeg now and the names we keep hearing about seem to be all related to helping the Tanev Stecher Biega trio that we currently have.

Bogo for a spare part like Spooner Goldobin or Granlund would make some sense. Buffalos forward depth is horrendous

His hip surgey has him tracking for a return about October which sucks but he had his other one done and came back with what was a serviceable year until the latest. If he can get back healthy its basically some free depth outside of his contract and if not he's UFA and they walk away.

Could be replaced by Tryamkin or Woo in 2020 also?

 

[TruGr1t]

Ehlers is apparently being shopped for Dougie Hamilton or Brett Pesce.

Both those defenders would be massive for this organization, but we clearly don’t have the expendable assets to get the deal done.

Teams going around offering guys like Ehlers for top-four defensemen. We're offering Virtanen. Let's see how this goes.