2019 NHL Draft, Pt. II

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Ita

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Dach certainly seems to be a faller late in the race after being nearly the consensus #3 for the first half. Turcotte is closing in as best of the rest for the forward group after Kakko/Hughes. Byram has solidified himself at 3 IMO. Podkolzin is a dark horse and could go anywhere from 4-10 I think. Lots of intriguing players in our range and someone really nice could fall to us easily. We just have to quit winning these ****ing meaningless games
Dach is falling due to his “compete” level right?
 

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A top 3 pick would be really nice. Feel like there’s a lot of uncertainty after the top 3.

We have been shafted quite a few times already in the previous draft. Hopefully something positive happens for a change.
 

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Canusk are squarely in the mushy middle of lottery teams......infinitesimal chance of actually winning the lottery, and just as likely to drop a couple of spots than actually move up....in terms of the lottery balls and the odds, it's been like four years of watching a hamster on his wheel.
 

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Hughes
Kakko
Byram
Turcotte
Zegras
Dach
Podkolzin
Cozens
Krebs
Boldy


Starting to come around with Kaliyev.
He has some Boeser lethal snipe feel to his shot. It zings!
 

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Avoid the guys with low "compete" levels. Skill does not make up for laziness. However, these are teenagers we are talking about.
 

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He was apparently banged up and playing through it through the middle portion of the season where his production fell off a cliff.

I asked about that on the prospects board and got similar responses but nothing definitive. Hoping there's more info on the subject closer to the draft.
 

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If you want motor then Peyton Krebs is the guy.

He is relentless

For me it's not so much about the on-ice motor but their internal motivation to improve, compete and win. I'm thinking of guys like Petterson, Boeser, and Horvat (or the Sedins for the matter). They work hard on the ice but they're not "Charlie Hustle" type players. On the other hand, they all have a burning desire to win and show exceptional dedication to getting better. Maybe Dach isn't quite fast enough, but will he put in the effort like Horvat did to become a better skater?
 

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Thanks for taking the time to make the list. Definitely will check out Dach. Atm he feels like he could become a faller.

Just wondering:

1. If Turcotte and Dach were both available to the Canucks, who would you pick?

2. How does Byram compare to the draft year Hiskanen, Makar and Q Hughes? Who has the highest upside? Does he have the potential to be a #1 or just top pairing?

Kakko is the most likely 1st liner, but if everything goes right for Dach he could be a 1C. Just barely an edge. The bottom half was hard to rank, could pretty much flip the 6-10 guys in any order imo.

1. Dach but then again im probably one of the guys who likes him most. I got him just slightly ahead of Turcotte. Guys his size, with the full offensive package who can skate like that are rare.

2. Probably not quite as good as Heiskanen. (Miro played pro). More rounded player than Hughes & Makar. Personally I'd have him ahead of Makar, a toss up with Hughes, slightly behind Heiskanen. Not a franchise D, maybe he could be a mid/low end #1. Not sure how ppl rate Rielly but i could see him being a Morgan Rielly type one day.
 

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For me it's not so much about the on-ice motor but their internal motivation to improve, compete and win. I'm thinking of guys like Petterson, Boeser, and Horvat (or the Sedins for the matter). They work hard on the ice but they're not "Charlie Hustle" type players. On the other hand, they all have a burning desire to win and show exceptional dedication to getting better. Maybe Dach isn't quite fast enough, but will he put in the effort like Horvat did to become a better skater?


These kids breathe hockey. It's their life. I wouldn't count the guy out because of perceived lack of interest. The clip is old, but he seems shy and introverted, you don't need to be a rah rah guy to care.
 

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For me it's not so much about the on-ice motor but their internal motivation to improve, compete and win. I'm thinking of guys like Petterson, Boeser, and Horvat (or the Sedins for the matter). They work hard on the ice but they're not "Charlie Hustle" type players. On the other hand, they all have a burning desire to win and show exceptional dedication to getting better. Maybe Dach isn't quite fast enough, but will he put in the effort like Horvat did to become a better skater?


Dach to me is comparable to a Spezza/Wheeler

Others have said Getzlaf but I dont see it
 

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I think one of the big questions out of this crazy year for the USDP will be who is getting carried and is going to fall off a cliff without the supporting cast
 

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I hope, of course, we win one of the top three picks. More likely we draft 7 to 10 though, and then I’d take Caufield. He’s the home run pick in that area. (He could be a bust too, but I think we need elite talent, so swing for the fences.)

Yeah im not sure who Id take at 7-10. If we pick 7 maybe someone slips to us. I got Cozens at 7, Podkolzin at 6.

I think Dach goes high, teams love those big offensive C's (Strome/Kotkankemi picks come to mind).

If he goes & Podkolzin slips do we take Podkolzin? How do people feel? Lots of talent but probably wont be here for a few years.
 

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Yeah im not sure who Id take at 7-10. If we pick 7 maybe someone slips to us. I got Cozens at 7, Podkolzin at 6.

I think Dach goes high, teams love those big offensive C's (Strome/Kotkankemi picks come to mind).

If he goes & Podkolzin slips do we take Podkolzin? How do people feel? Lots of talent but probably wont be here for a few years.

I would take Podkolzin if it goes like:

Kakko
Hughes
Byram
Turcotte
Cozens
Dach
(not necessarily in this order)
I really like what I've seen of Pod. He's a gamer, has some bite to his game too. I think he projects as a top 6 scorer and a good one at that. Could be a very nice cog on a line with Boeser and Petey, or could mesh with Bo.
 
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Dach is an impressive prospect. He has as much potential as anyone in this draft year IMO but also has hurdles he has to overcome that he may never.

IQ and talent is easily on a top PP unit with any respectable work ethic.

Have watched a tonne of video lately (because i could care less about garbage time for the Canucks) and have seen the WHL guys live at least a few times except Krebs. Kakko Podkolzin Hughes live as well as video and just video for Turcotte Boldy Newhook and Zegras so it is what it is....a poorly educated opinion as far as orders but this is how i feel currently.

1- Jack Hughes - i'm really curious to see this going forward and i believe how Quinn looks may have some bearing on the unique style that the brothers play and my opinion of it. I would actually be a little nervous based on how week he is and how he is gonna be able to get to the prime scoring areas especially as a centre. Could easily be a Kane/Gaudreau and have to believe that this is what the scouts see who are relentless in having him 1st overall (sticking with the consensus)

2- Kappo Kakko - was thoroughly impressed at the U20's and just continues to set the kind of standards that a front line all star forward would in Liiga play and in everything he's done to date. Somewhat of a cross between Rantanen and Landeskog for me and a beauty consolation prize in the lottery who is NHL ready.

3- Bowen Byram - Hard to find any flaws in this kids game that doesn't come with just a little more consistency and attention to detail defensively. Rielly/MacAvoy hybrid for me and could be as impactful long term as some of the best BC born defenseman to play the game. Probably 1 more year of junior then plug and play 1st pairing defender.

4- Kirby Dach - (See above) Watching some of his playoffs is just adding to my liking for this player. Dont see the skating issues as he can move well enough. Do get some of the acceleration concerns but when you watch Draisaitl Stone Getzlaf dominate with smarts IQ anticipation and tremendous ability to protect and outreach opponents and see Dach's shot i could see him as high as 3 if a team likes him enough.

5. Trevor Zegras - Love this guys talent. Off the charts hands and IQ offensively. Am still getting a feel for his overall game. reminds me of Doug Weight/Kyle Connor and could be 1LW if not a top centre.

6- Alex Turcotte - similar to Zegras but more refined and this is just my feeling but may be more of a 2c instead of a 1st liner which i feel Zegras could develop into. Both excellent bets and highly exciting and talented. Comp Dylan Larkin....not as fast

7. Dylan Cozens - Scouts seem a little higher on Cozens than i am. Dont see 1st line upside and has a bit of a questionable IQ and quickness of the stick. Other than that though a excellent skater with a great shot and big frame. See him as a Jeff Carter type if all goes well which is an excellent addition just not a 1st liner on a really good team without turning into a stud defensively.

8. Matthew Boldy - kid has made some huge strides physically this year and has a massive upside because of it. Would have questioned his skating earlier but not from what i've seen recently. Has a wicked shot and can power or finesse through defenseman as well has good vision and size/strength. Very close to Cozens for me. Working on more viewing to clear up my feelings on the USDP guys.

9. Vasily Podkolzin - Only have him here due to consensus and old viewings where he dominated against kids. Was not impressed at the U20s. Seems like a well rounded solid player without a standout quality. Scouts like him a lot? things drop a bit for me at 8 so here he is at 9.

10. Payton Krebs - a lot to like about this player but then you look at his stats and see -50 and 19goals and start to wonder why the hell would anyone rate him so high?
He has really made some leaps in development and seems to have a lot of pro like traits but at 5'11 without elite skills you wonder what is the upside and why would he rate higher than a guy like Caufield who scores at an alarming rate. Unfortunately i didnt get to see a tonne of Krebs this year but his IQ overall game tempo and playmaking are excellent and still is top10 for me as he looks like he could be Jaden Schwartz for someone. Really risky pick

Hoping at worst we are top8 and can get one of the top8 i posted. Team desperately needs some speed skill power game up front and if Boldy or Cozens are whats left then i would be pretty satisfied. Anything else i would consider a bonus. Still almost 3months to pick it apart.
 
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Dach is an impressive prospect. He has as much potential as anyone in this draft year IMO but also has hurdles he has to overcome that he may never.

IQ and talent is easily on a top PP unit with any respectable work ethic.

Have watched a tonne of video lately (because i could care less about garbage time for the Canucks) and have seen the WHL guys live at least a few times except Krebs. Kakko Podkolzin Hughes live as well as video and just video for Turcotte Boldy Newhook and Zegras so it is what it is....a poorly educated opinion as far as orders but this is how i feel currently.

1- Jack Hughes - i'm really curious to see this going forward and i believe how Quinn looks may have some bearing on the unique style that the brothers play and my opinion of it. I would actually be a little nervous based on how week he is and how he is gonna be able to get to the prime scoring areas especially as a centre. Could easily be a Kane/Gaudreau and have to believe that this is what the scouts see who are relentless in having him 1st overall (sticking with the consensus)

2- Kappo Kakko - was thoroughly impressed at the U20's and just continues to set the kind of standards that a front line all star forward would in Liiga play and in everything he's done to date. Somewhat of a cross between Rantanen and Landeskog for me and a beauty consolation prize in the lottery who is NHL ready.

3- Bowen Byram - Hard to find any flaws in this kids game that doesn't come with just a little more consistency and attention to detail defensively. Rielly/MacAvoy hybrid for me and could be as impactful long term as some of the best BC born defenseman to play the game. Probably 1 more year of junior then plug and play 1st pairing defender.

4- Kirby Dach - (See above) Watching some of his playoffs is just adding to my liking for this player. Dont see the skating issues as he can move well enough. Do get some of the acceleration concerns but when you watch Draisaitl Stone Getzlaf dominate with smarts IQ anticipation and tremendous ability to protect and outreach opponents and see Dach's shot i could see him as high as 3 if a team likes him enough.

5. Trevor Zegras - Love this guys talent. Off the charts hands and IQ offensively. Am still getting a feel for his overall game. reminds me of Doug Weight/Kyle Connor and could be 1LW if not a top centre.

6- Alex Turcotte - similar to Zegras but more refined and this is just my feeling but may be more of a 2c instead of a 1st liner which i feel Zegras could develop into. Both excellent bets and highly exciting and talented. Comp Dylan Larkin....not as fast

7. Dylan Cozens - Scouts seem a little higher on Cozens than i am. Dont see 1st line upside and has a bit of a questionable IQ and quickness of the stick. Other than that though a excellent skater with a great shot and big frame. See him as a Jeff Carter type if all goes well which is an excellent addition just not a 1st liner on a really good team without turning into Bergeron defensively.

8. Matthew Boldy - kid has made some huge strides physically this year and has a massive upside because of it. Would have questioned his skating earlier but not from what i've seen recently. Has a wicked shot and can power or finesse through defenseman as well has good vision and size/strength. Very close to Cozens for me. Working on more viewing to clear up my feelings on the USDP guys.

9. Vasily Podkolzin - Only have him here due to consensus and old viewings where he dominated against kids. Was not impressed at the U20s. Seems like a well rounded solid player without a standout quality. Scouts like him a lot? things drop a bit for me at 8 so here he is at 9.

10. Payton Krebs - a lot to like about this player but then you look at his stats and see -50 and 19goals and start to wonder why the hell would anyone rate him so high?
He has really made some leaps in development and seems to have a lot of pro like traits but at 5'11 without elite skills you wonder what is the upside and why would he rate higher than a guy like Caufield who scores at an alarming rate. Unfortunately i didnt get to see a tonne of Krebs this year but his IQ overall game tempo and playmaking are excellent and still is top10 for me as he looks like he could be Jaden Schwartz for someone. Really risky pick

Hoping at worst we are top8 and can get one of the top8 i posted. Team desperately needs some speed skill power game up front and if Boldy or Cozens are whats left then i would be pretty satisfied. Anything else i would consider a bonus. Still almost 3months to pick it apart.

Thanks for the write up. Whats your feel for the second round? Where do have Leason?
 
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I think one of the big questions out of this crazy year for the USDP will be who is getting carried and is going to fall off a cliff without the supporting cast

Ya it's....fraught. Four forwards getting top-10 juice, plus Caufield(F) and York(D) in the 10-20 range and the top goalie. The team results have been really good, but it's almost impossible that all of the individuals are as good as they look on that team. Scouts gonna earn their money if they can sort it out.
 
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Dach is an impressive prospect. He has as much potential as anyone in this draft year IMO but also has hurdles he has to overcome that he may never.

IQ and talent is easily on a top PP unit with any respectable work ethic.

Have watched a tonne of video lately (because i could care less about garbage time for the Canucks) and have seen the WHL guys live at least a few times except Krebs. Kakko Podkolzin Hughes live as well as video and just video for Turcotte Boldy Newhook and Zegras so it is what it is....a poorly educated opinion as far as orders but this is how i feel currently.

1- Jack Hughes - i'm really curious to see this going forward and i believe how Quinn looks may have some bearing on the unique style that the brothers play and my opinion of it. I would actually be a little nervous based on how week he is and how he is gonna be able to get to the prime scoring areas especially as a centre. Could easily be a Kane/Gaudreau and have to believe that this is what the scouts see who are relentless in having him 1st overall (sticking with the consensus)

2- Kappo Kakko - was thoroughly impressed at the U20's and just continues to set the kind of standards that a front line all star forward would in Liiga play and in everything he's done to date. Somewhat of a cross between Rantanen and Landeskog for me and a beauty consolation prize in the lottery who is NHL ready.

3- Bowen Byram - Hard to find any flaws in this kids game that doesn't come with just a little more consistency and attention to detail defensively. Rielly/MacAvoy hybrid for me and could be as impactful long term as some of the best BC born defenseman to play the game. Probably 1 more year of junior then plug and play 1st pairing defender.

4- Kirby Dach - (See above) Watching some of his playoffs is just adding to my liking for this player. Dont see the skating issues as he can move well enough. Do get some of the acceleration concerns but when you watch Draisaitl Stone Getzlaf dominate with smarts IQ anticipation and tremendous ability to protect and outreach opponents and see Dach's shot i could see him as high as 3 if a team likes him enough.

5. Trevor Zegras - Love this guys talent. Off the charts hands and IQ offensively. Am still getting a feel for his overall game. reminds me of Doug Weight/Kyle Connor and could be 1LW if not a top centre.

6- Alex Turcotte - similar to Zegras but more refined and this is just my feeling but may be more of a 2c instead of a 1st liner which i feel Zegras could develop into. Both excellent bets and highly exciting and talented. Comp Dylan Larkin....not as fast

7. Dylan Cozens - Scouts seem a little higher on Cozens than i am. Dont see 1st line upside and has a bit of a questionable IQ and quickness of the stick. Other than that though a excellent skater with a great shot and big frame. See him as a Jeff Carter type if all goes well which is an excellent addition just not a 1st liner on a really good team without turning into Bergeron defensively.

8. Matthew Boldy - kid has made some huge strides physically this year and has a massive upside because of it. Would have questioned his skating earlier but not from what i've seen recently. Has a wicked shot and can power or finesse through defenseman as well has good vision and size/strength. Very close to Cozens for me. Working on more viewing to clear up my feelings on the USDP guys.

9. Vasily Podkolzin - Only have him here due to consensus and old viewings where he dominated against kids. Was not impressed at the U20s. Seems like a well rounded solid player without a standout quality. Scouts like him a lot? things drop a bit for me at 8 so here he is at 9.

10. Payton Krebs - a lot to like about this player but then you look at his stats and see -50 and 19goals and start to wonder why the hell would anyone rate him so high?
He has really made some leaps in development and seems to have a lot of pro like traits but at 5'11 without elite skills you wonder what is the upside and why would he rate higher than a guy like Caufield who scores at an alarming rate. Unfortunately i didnt get to see a tonne of Krebs this year but his IQ overall game tempo and playmaking are excellent and still is top10 for me as he looks like he could be Jaden Schwartz for someone. Really risky pick

Hoping at worst we are top8 and can get one of the top8 i posted. Team desperately needs some speed skill power game up front and if Boldy or Cozens are whats left then i would be pretty satisfied. Anything else i would consider a bonus. Still almost 3months to pick it apart.

Good write up. I would be happy with any of those except Podkolzin... Russian factor still scares me. But regardless all of those are blue chip prospects and we badly need them.

I have a gut feeling we will pick 7/8 and end up with either Boldy or Zegras. We shall see.
 
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