2019 NHL Draft, Pt. II
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Jack Burton
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Foote I’d be ok with.
Thomson is an old player for this draft who has a really good shot and not a lot else. Question his hockey sense at both ends of the rink. Has been outproduced at ES by Korczak who is a ‘pure defensive defender’. Personally Korczak looks to me a far better prospect.
Tracey is a nothing who is the product of his linemates. Absolutely nothing projects with him. Small, average skater, not a great motor, not an elite shot or finisher. Pure junior ‘hands’ guy cleaning up the work of his elite linemates. Wouldn’t touch him before the 4th-5th round.
Dach is the most terrifying player in this draft.
Like, I wouldn’t be shocked if he puts up 80 assists in an NHL season at some point and becomes an utterly dominant playmaking center.
I also wouldn’t be shocked if he goes full Brendl/Bonsignore.
Hands and vision are off the charts. Skating is iffy. Compete level is horrific - could take 2-minute shifts and not break a sweat. But also can get away with it at this level because of his anticipation and positioning.
Reminds me a ton of Jason Spezza as an upside.
BeardyCanuck03
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Ya I've heard this as well. He's worth a look, in the 2nd Rd but not my first choice. I do think playing with good players can help create a good player going forward though.
I don't know the 2nd Rd too well so I'm throwing darts based on stats, highlights and the very limited viewings I have.
I'm open ears for who could be available in the early 2nd Rd. These are the picks that could really help change the conversation 2-3 years from now
BeardyCanuck03
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The USNDT is so strong this year. While I'm on the Caufield train, I'm wondering how easy/hard it is to scout that team when they have two very good lines.
I'd love to see a USNDT vs CHL series similar to the Russia series.
Just curious asking here, does anybody have greater viewings than me about Vasili Podkolzin? (Especially mother Russians) My sample size about him are most from Hlinka Gretzky and last year's U-18 WC. I know he's very dynamic and skilled offensively, but when it comes to his flaws, has he improved his skating or defensive play any?
Came to this after Craig Button released his latest ranking. He had Hughes at #1 and Kakko #2 as expected, but what caught my attention and surprised me a bit was his statement that Hughes still remains unanimous #1 but Kakko might not be clear #2 anymore. And according to him gap between Kakko and Hughes is still longer than between Kakko and Podkolzin.
I just wonder what kinda lvl Podkolzin is operating in VHL/MHL and what can Kakko do any more than what he's already proved to be the best of the class, cuz its hard to imagine him dropping instead of rising due to his performances lately. He's imo the most ready to step up to the big league right away and hes progressed a lot what comes to his deficiences (ofc a lot of work to do still).
I dont wanna sound biased, and I know Button has a lot more experience of prospects and NHL than me (obv I have zero; if we dont count videogame NHL), but sometimes I wonder if he actually is on track about EU guys too and he base his opinions of performances in international games more than bigger sample size and thus doesnt know that Kakko shuld be considered closer to #1 than #3, no matter if it was close or not.
I have seen him praising all kinds of Tolvanens and Puljujärvis to 7th heaven as they are gonna make very successfull NHL careers (which can still happen tho) and be impact players right away. But does he really have some competent insight about their performances or shuld he be considered type of old-fart like Cherry whose opinions are usually as usefull as empty and flushable toilet paper roll?
Came to this after Craig Button released his latest ranking. He had Hughes at #1 and Kakko #2 as expected, but what caught my attention and surprised me a bit was his statement that Hughes still remains unanimous #1 but Kakko might not be clear #2 anymore. And according to him gap between Kakko and Hughes is still longer than between Kakko and Podkolzin.
I just wonder what kinda lvl Podkolzin is operating in VHL/MHL and what can Kakko do any more than what he's already proved to be the best of the class, cuz its hard to imagine him dropping instead of rising due to his performances lately. He's imo the most ready to step up to the big league right away and hes progressed a lot what comes to his deficiences (ofc a lot of work to do still).
I dont wanna sound biased, and I know Button has a lot more experience of prospects and NHL than me (obv I have zero; if we dont count videogame NHL), but sometimes I wonder if he actually is on track about EU guys too and he base his opinions of performances in international games more than bigger sample size and thus doesnt know that Kakko shuld be considered closer to #1 than #3, no matter if it was close or not.
I have seen him praising all kinds of Tolvanens and Puljujärvis to 7th heaven as they are gonna make very successfull NHL careers (which can still happen tho) and be impact players right away. But does he really have some competent insight about their performances or shuld he be considered type of old-fart like Cherry whose opinions are usually as usefull as empty and flushable toilet paper roll?
Can someone who is familiar with the draft rank the ceiling of the top10 players?
I remember in the 2017 draft Pettersen was supposed to have one of the highest ceiling and the concern was his size/build. If we don’t win the top 3 who else will give has a chance to become a top pairing d or first liner?
I remember in the 2017 draft Pettersen was supposed to have one of the highest ceiling and the concern was his size/build. If we don’t win the top 3 who else will give has a chance to become a top pairing d or first liner?
On your second point first, I kinda feel that the MHL is for the most part, not scouted. At the least it's the league with by far the biggest discrepancy between scoring and draft position. For most feeder leagues it's not perfect, but the correlation is quite strong; for players from the MHL it seems to have very little correlation at all. It seems to me this could really only be explained by an emphasis on international over league play. Obviously scoring isn't everything with prospects, and it's not uncommon to see players who scored less in other leagues drafted over players who scored more in the same league, but with the MHL this is pushed to extremes.
On Podkolzin specifically, I would say Button's way off base. I don't have any problems with his skating or defensive play, in fact he's very tenacious without the puck. Even if there are errors made defensively, I'd rather have a player with high effort/motor and try to channel that as constructively as possible as he develops. I just don't think he necessarily thinks the game too well. He can be rather disconnected from his teammates, tries to do too much himself, and is frequently reckless with the puck. He even makes some odd choices when it comes skating paths in the offensive zone. He has some good skills, but isn't in the same stratosphere as Kakko.
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I'm a fan of Foote and Korczak and both should be quality NHLers. If we're picking 5-10, I don't want to overthink this. Hopefully just grab the obvious BPA.
I admit I don't know much about this draft class yet as I don't start reading a lot about it until we're a week or two out. But there seems to be a lot of good kids this year. Foote, Korczak, Turcotte, Newhook would all make me happy but I haven't done much study into this draft class outside of playing EHM.
I admit I don't know much about this draft class yet as I don't start reading a lot about it until we're a week or two out. But there seems to be a lot of good kids this year. Foote, Korczak, Turcotte, Newhook would all make me happy but I haven't done much study into this draft class outside of playing EHM.
thefeebster
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Just an FYI to all, MHL streams almost all their games on Youtube.
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Lots of footage if you are interested in Dorofeyev/Podkolzin/Nikolayev.
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But yeah, I don't agree with that hot take from Button. No hesitation ranking Kakko higher than Podkolzin.
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Where would you slot Podkolzin?
Not as Vancouver either, imagine we're Pittsburgh or Washington and would have no problem getting him to come over....based purely on talent/projection where do you have him?
I think he's #3 but I would completely understand if he's outside the Canucks top 10.
ya this seems like a tough draft to identify a clear cut pick at a specific spot
Sergei Shirokov
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Tough one, here's what I got.
1. Hughes
2. Dach
3. Kakko
4. Podkolzin
5. Byram
6. Cozens
7. Kaliyev
8. Turcotte
9. Caufield
10. Knight
Sergei Shirokov
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I'd we had #3 I'd take Byram.
At #8 I'd be hoping Dach falls. Otherwise its a big group to choose from; Boldy, Caufield, Zegras, Kaliyev, Krebs, Heinola, Soderstrom.
At #8 I'd be hoping Dach falls. Otherwise its a big group to choose from; Boldy, Caufield, Zegras, Kaliyev, Krebs, Heinola, Soderstrom.
Thanks for taking the time to make the list. Definitely will check out Dach. Atm he feels like he could become a faller.
Just wondering:
1. If Turcotte and Dach were both available to the Canucks, who would you pick?
2. How does Byram compare to the draft year Hiskanen, Makar and Q Hughes? Who has the highest upside? Does he have the potential to be a #1 or just top pairing?
Fatass
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I hope, of course, we win one of the top three picks. More likely we draft 7 to 10 though, and then I’d take Caufield. He’s the home run pick in that area. (He could be a bust too, but I think we need elite talent, so swing for the fences.)
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Dach certainly seems to be a faller late in the race after being nearly the consensus #3 for the first half. Turcotte is closing in as best of the rest for the forward group after Kakko/Hughes. Byram has solidified himself at 3 IMO. Podkolzin is a dark horse and could go anywhere from 4-10 I think. Lots of intriguing players in our range and someone really nice could fall to us easily. We just have to quit winning these f***ing meaningless games
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Agreed. We need to finish with the best odds for getting a top three pick. Plus, we are guaranteed a higher pick. These little things can become huge on draft day.
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With our top pick should we be picking the safe guy, who will almost certainly be an NHL player, but has a limited ceiling, or do wing swing for the fences, and take the guy who has an elite ceiling, but could also bust?
Bitz and Bites
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I saw that game as well and have to agree.
To me,he looked like Brendan Gaunce with better hands and he only really stood out when Sask was on the PP.
Green would tear his hair out with this guy and I don’t see him as a fit in any kind of fast skating up-tempo system.LAK might be a good fit for him if they want to continue being the slowest team in the league:
Yeah, and when a player only stands out on the PP, it's a bit of a red flag.
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