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Raccoon Jesus said:
Toronto's rebuild? What?

And who are you getting to replace Muzzin for less than 6 million, assuming he even gets that much?






You're thinking like the 2019 Kings rather than the 2012 Kings.

Team has giant hole. Team fills giant hole using assets that won't be on the team for years without giving up their top assets who are ready to help next year. They still have Sandin, Liljegren + on D, Johnsson, Trevor Moore, Bracco at F on top of all their crazy young guns. What they didn't have is a current top 2-3 d-man.

This is also really crazy to see from you given you're fighting a battle in the other thread about what it cost to be the 2012-2014 Kings and how others lack perspective.

Really stupid that I have to stick up for Toronto here. "Cup or Bust" is a really shallow way to evaluate the Muzzin trade. I'll mock the hell out of them because I said after the JT trade anything short of the conference finals would be a disappointing season, but unless Muzzin pulls a Gardiner tonight...
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Fighting a battle ? It doesnt feel that way. I dont understand the similarity between both discussions. So no idea about the crazyniss you are refering to.

I think there are much better players out there than Jake Muzzin to give up your 1st, 3rd best prospect and another 2nd for. Expecially for a player which contract ends after next season. The situation of Kings 2012 and Toronto’s situation right now are different.

You make trades like that to get pass the first round. And obviously Toronto had something else in mind. Fact is, they wasted it now and I like that very much.

Another chance with Muzzin next season.

I am going to visit their forum right now.
 
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Entering the Leafs forums is like entering Hell's Den right now...lol
 
riznat said:
Every day is fascinating for my Johnson family.
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kovacro said:
****, I hate that stat. Can't judge a guy solely on that.

Yes, he had a few hiccups but, Muzzin was pretty good in the series overall.
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He had some good games, and some bad games. Pretty much in line with what we saw from him in LA. I don't think Muzzin will ever match or surpass his 2014 playoff performance. Him paired with Drew Doughty was the best #1 pairing we've seen on the Kings since... well, ever.
 
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Someone help, is it just me or Mayor wrong on twitter saying that kings Toronto pick could still end up #22-23ish. I thought it went by points...

How I thought it worked...

Teams advancing to round 2 are picks 24-31. Tampa is 23, Calgary 22, and possibly Washington at 21 if they lose today. So by that logic we’re guarantee either the 20th or 21st pick depending on Washington/Carolina result?
 
Mats26 said:
Entering the Leafs forums is like entering Hell's Den right now...lol
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I was going through some threads there...comedy gold...one of my favorites was simply:

I hate Leaf Fans

and had about 7 likes...the funniest part, being some that liked it, were actual Leaf fans. lol.
 
Cook24 said:
Someone help, is it just me or Mayor wrong on twitter saying that kings Toronto pick could still end up #22-23ish. I thought it went by points...

How I thought it worked...

Teams advancing to round 2 are picks 24-31. Tampa is 23, Calgary 22, and possibly Washington at 21 if they lose today. So by that logic we’re guarantee either the 20th or 21st pick depending on Washington/Carolina result?
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Only eastern and western finals get 31-28. 27-15 are determined by standings.
 
Essentially if you suck and are in the bottom 4 you can get passed up by teams 5-15 for the top picks. It's the opposite for the top 4 teams.

It's like the league is forcing great teams to be average and bad teams to stay bad. The mediocre teams stay mediocre.

How lame
 
Nodoughtyboutit said:
If the Leafs lose this game when will be know what their pick number will be? After the end of the second round?
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the pick has already gotten better since StL vs Dal (both finished below the leafs) one will make conference final ...could get better if Clb, Car, Col make it to conference final
would moved up another spot if Vegas would have won since they would play the Col (same situation as Stl/Dal)
 
Cook24 said:
Someone help, is it just me or Mayor wrong on twitter saying that kings Toronto pick could still end up #22-23ish. I thought it went by points...

How I thought it worked...

Teams advancing to round 2 are picks 24-31. Tampa is 23, Calgary 22, and possibly Washington at 21 if they lose today. So by that logic we’re guarantee either the 20th or 21st pick depending on Washington/Carolina result?
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30 and 31 are to the cup winners and finalists
28 and 29 are to the teams who lost in conference finals
Then it goes by division winners who did not make the final 4.

Then it goes by the remainders.

With TB, Cal, and Nashville eliminated as division winners, those 3 + any 4 conference finalists mean the absolute worst the pick can be is 24th.
 
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King'sPawn said:
30 and 31 are to the cup winners and finalists
28 and 29 are to the teams who lost in conference finals
Then it goes by division winners who did not make the final 4.

Then it goes by the remainders.

With TB, Cal, and Nashville eliminated as division winners, those 3 + any 4 conference finalists mean the absolute worst the pick can be is 24th.
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23rd. For the sake of argument lets say the postseason plays out by points (and WSH beats CAR) this would be the order:

31- BOS
30 - SJ
29 - WSH
28 - DAL/STL
27 - TB (Div winner)
26 - CGY (Div winner)
25 - NSH (Div winner)
24 - NYI
23 - TOR

I did 28-31 that way because obviously you have to have 2 east and 2 west.
 
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KopitarFAN said:
23rd. For the sake of argument lets say the postseason plays out by points (and WSH beats CAR) this would be the order:

31- BOS
30 - SJ
29 - WSH
28 - DAL/STL
27 - TB (Div winner)
26 - CGY (Div winner)
25 - NSH (Div winner)
24 - NYI
23 - TOR

I did 28-31 that way because obviously you have to have 2 east and 2 west.
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Thank you! Yes, I forgot since Dallas or St. Louis HAS to advance, the pick can be no worse than 23rd
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
I'd be happy if the Kings can pull this type of trade off:

At the 2011 Draft, the Ducks traded the 22nd selection to Toronto for the 30th and 39th picks.

With the 22nd pick, the Leafs selected Tyler Biggs.

With the 30th pick, the Ducks selected Rickard Rakell.
With the 39th pick, the Ducks selected John Gibson.
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Would you trade #5 and the Leafs pick to Chicago for #3 and Chicago's 2nd round pick (43)?

This assumes the Kings have a huge hard-on for Byram and expect him to be gone. Hawks drop 2 spots but jump up ~20 spots back into the first round. Kings get whoever they want after Hughes/Kakko and drop ~20 spots out of the first and into the second for the right to do so but still have their own high 2nd.

Muzzin trade return then kind of looks like Byram/Grundstrom/Durzi since it is Toronto's pick that entices Chicago. Treat getting the #3 like they should have had it anyways. Chicago still gets lucky with the #5OA and they get another 1st rounder.

I don't know, I'm not the best at gauging draft pick values. I know many want to trade down for an additional second or something but what if Management is just blown away by a guy and they don't want to risk missing out on him?

I'm just real high on Byram right now and would hate to miss out.
 
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BigKing said:
Would you trade #5 and the Leafs pick to Chicago for #3 and Chicago's 2nd round pick (43)?

This assumes the Kings have a huge hard-on for Byram and expect him to be gone. Hawks drop 2 spots but jump up ~20 spots back into the first round. Kings get whoever they want after Hughes/Kakko and drop ~20 spots out of the first and into the second for the right to do so but still have their own high 2nd.

Muzzin trade return then kind of looks like Byram/Grundstrom/Durzi since it is Toronto's pick that entices Chicago. Treat getting the #3 like they should have had it anyways. Chicago still gets lucky with the #5OA and they get another 1st rounder.

I don't know, I'm not the best at gauging draft pick values. I know many want to trade down for an additional second or something but what if Management is just blown away by a guy and they don't want to risk missing out on him?

I'm just real high on Byram right now and would hate to miss out.
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I'd do it. Byram is the type of blueliner this team badly needs who can move the puck and log 22+ minutes. I have hope for some of the guys in the pipeline but I don't consider them to be top pairing level guys and are better suited in 3-6 roles.

But Chicago has to really like a player who they are comfortable enough to drop to #5 in order for that to work.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
I'd be happy if the Kings can pull this type of trade off:

At the 2011 Draft, the Ducks traded the 22nd selection to Toronto for the 30th and 39th picks.

With the 22nd pick, the Leafs selected Tyler Biggs.

With the 30th pick, the Ducks selected Rickard Rakell.
With the 39th pick, the Ducks selected John Gibson.
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That's the recent gold standard for trade downs, but historically it's rare that you'd hit on both picks. In the case with Gibson, it was a big surprise when he wasn't the first goalie off the board (Nashville took overage goalie Magnus Hellberg a pick before).

As much fun as it is to pile on the Leafs for that pick, they traded up because Detroit was going to take Biggs at #24. When Biggs was off the board, Detroit traded #24 for #35 and #48; Detroit used those picks on Tomas Jurco and Xavier Ouellet. That's a more typical looking return.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
I'd be happy if the Kings can pull this type of trade off:

At the 2011 Draft, the Ducks traded the 22nd selection to Toronto for the 30th and 39th picks.

With the 22nd pick, the Leafs selected Tyler Biggs.

With the 30th pick, the Ducks selected Rickard Rakell.
With the 39th pick, the Ducks selected John Gibson.
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Is there any teams that can pull it off? I was thinkin same thing for Ana but kings and ducks are both in the situation where we could package our late 1sts with our 2nds to move up.
 
Carolina's 1st could get bumped down (#28-31) if they advance to the ECF. They also own Buffalo's 2nd (#36) from the Jeff Skinner trade.

If Dallas gets to the WCF, they owe their 1st rounder to the Rangers from the Zuccarello trade. So they'd have that pick (#28-31) plus their own 2nd (#37). Otherwise they'd get DAL2 (~#49).

But other than that, most of the teams picking at the end of the first moved their 2nds for rentals.

Ottawa has #32 and #44. New Jersey has #34, NSH2 (~#55), BOS2 (~60).

Detroit has #35, SJS2 (~#56), NYI2 (~#57). But historically Holland/Yzerman have preferred to trade down for more picks.
 
From what I understand the lowest the Toronto pick can be is 23-24 and the highest is 19-20. So who will be available until 24 and who should we target .... anyone ?
 
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