2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[DoktorJeep]

What would be a non-placating move? Was firing Murray placating fans? Was getting Richards and Carter placating fans? Would getting Lucic, or not buying out Richards, be examples of non-placating moves? TM wasn't here to 2 years ago to start sentiments. Would keeping Stevens have been the right move by going against everyone that never wanted Stevens to be the coach to begin with?

Realistically, in the confines of what the league is, what should BLuc be doing right now? Since we all dislike this team, should they try to win so that they're not placating fans who are all onboard with the rebuilding? I don't get what you want.

Dean should have fired Sutter after 2015/16 and kept his job. Absent that, Blake should have changed directions in 2017. But he chose to continue course. Now, he keeps Toffoli, Lewis, Carter, Quick, Martinez, Forbort, etc. around and ices the most boring team in the league, even the year they made the playoffs.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

correction, it was Muzzin, Pearson and 1st..
I saw it in TSN, then TFP, I wanna day either Lebrun or Dreger and a few more..

it was not a first the trade went down after the first round and before the second it had to be done before kings 2nd pick which was rumored to be in the deal

 

[DoktorJeep]

Bring on the Travis Yost hate ...

https://www.tsn.ca/anze-kopitar-drew-doughty-contracts-loom-large-for-rebuilding-kings-1.1389064

 

[crassbonanza]

Bring on the Travis Yost hate ...

https://www.tsn.ca/anze-kopitar-drew-doughty-contracts-loom-large-for-rebuilding-kings-1.1389064

He had two quotes that seem a bit out of touch: "to a team that’s now getting outshot on a relatively routine basis", and "Those relative numbers may not be obvious from the shot share – especially with Los Angeles’ general puck dominance eroding over a similar timeline.".

So far this season, the Kings have never been outshot in any game. Did he even bother to do even a modicum of research before spewing this article out? Has he even watched a Kings game this season?

There are some good points he raises about Doughty and Kopitar being near the bottom as far as xGF% relative goes, but it also neglects to mention deployment and responsibility. The top 6 on the Kings by relative xGF%(which is the chart he is basing most of his argument on) includes Joakim Ryan and Matt Roy. Which kind of shows how those individual stats fail to tell the whole story.

 

[kingsfan28]

The proposed Pacioretty trade was at the draft; Kovalchuk was signed in free agency (i.e., they were completely different temporally, so they could not have known Kovalchuk's cap hit would come in at $6.25 million). No reporting at the time or after indicated the Kings were going after both Pacioretty and Kovalchuk. The reporting was that they were going to add "a" scoring winger, not multiple.

Most notably, even assuming your scenario of Pacioretty at $6 million, they did not have the cap space. They started the season at just a shade under $79 million for their cap hit. If you subtract Muzzin's $4 million and add $6 million for Pacioretty, that would put them almost $1.5 million over the $79.5 million cap ceiling for last season. Most importantly, they would not have had Pacioretty at $6 million.



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Why The Pacioretty Trade To Los Angeles Fell Apart.

So, no. The Kings were not getting Pacioretty at $6 million, and the fact that they offered him something below what he was willing to accept appears to be why the trade fell apart.

so he accepted a 4 year , 28 mil deal from Vegas while turning down a 6 year 36 mil contract from us. got it. so glad we never made that deal. #bum

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Bring on the Travis Yost hate ...

https://www.tsn.ca/anze-kopitar-drew-doughty-contracts-loom-large-for-rebuilding-kings-1.1389064

Yost is part of the Dom camp that's hated Doughty since the Karlsson days and completely disavows deployment. a pair of dudes who argued Doughty shouldn't get the norris because he didn't make the playoffs then flip flopped the next year for some strange reason...

No need to bring it on, he's been a schmuck since 2014.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Dean should have fired Sutter after 2015/16 and kept his job. Absent that, Blake should have changed directions in 2017. But he chose to continue course. Now, he keeps Toffoli, Lewis, Carter, Quick, Martinez, Forbort, etc. around and ices the most boring team in the league, even the year they made the playoffs.

Why should Dean have fired Sutter after 15-16? That sounds like a placating move. To not only fans, but the players who wanted him gone. If Dean had fired Sutter, would that be placating you? I just think the word placate is the wrong word. Anything any GM does is placating someone.

Also, I think the word keep is the wrong word to use as well in regards to most of the players on the roster. Blake is stuck with them. They're going to buy out only so many guys. They're going to retain on only so many players. Not many teams do both of those things willy nilly. You say don't keep Toffoli, but then Pearson was a trade to placate fans? Would trading Toffoli not be placating all of us? Should he be kept because it doesn't make us happy?

 

[kings11]

it was not a first the trade went down after the first round and before the second it had to be done before kings 2nd pick which was rumored to be in the deal

That was for the Mac Pac trade and when he refused to sign we drafted Kupari... early last season when William Nylander was holding out rumors were flying back and forth that Pesce was going to TOR and the Kings had offered Muzzin, Pearson(thought it was Toffoli) and a added a 1st as the sweetener... Toronto said they wanted Kale Clague.. saved our asses

 

[KingCanadain1976]

That was for the Mac Pac trade and when he refused to sign we drafted Kupari... early last season when William Nylander was holding out rumors were flying back and forth that Pesce was going to TOR and the Kings had offered Muzzin, Pearson(thought it was Toffoli) and a added a 1st as the sweetener... Toronto said they wanted Kale Clague.. saved our asses

tsn reported the deal went down between rounds with montreal so ur wong about the first it was our 2nd in the deal

 

[DoktorJeep]

Why should Dean have fired Sutter after 15-16? That sounds like a placating move. To not only fans, but the players who wanted him gone. If Dean had fired Sutter, would that be placating you? I just think the word placate is the wrong word. Anything any GM does is placating someone.

Also, I think the word keep is the wrong word to use as well in regards to most of the players on the roster. Blake is stuck with them. They're going to buy out only so many guys. They're going to retain on only so many players. Not many teams do both of those things willy nilly. You say don't keep Toffoli, but then Pearson was a trade to placate fans? Would trading Toffoli not be placating all of us? Should he be kept because it doesn't make us happy?

DL was stubborn to a fault. Firing Sutter was the right thing to do, in addition to turning over the roster and drafting for skill. A minority of fans were calling for those changes, so he would have been seen as aggressive, not placating.

As opposed to BLuc who’ve done nothing but be reactive to the actual NHL team. Full marks for keeping picks and Lombardi’s scouting staff in place, but those moves are table stakes.

With respect to Pearson and Toffoli, Blake signed their second contracts. Both given four years, I believe, coming off mixed results during their ELCs. Neither negotiation stretched out or were seen as good value contracts at the time. Both done quickly during the summer to make sure there were no distractions.

 

[YP44]

DL was stubborn to a fault. Firing Sutter was the right thing to do, in addition to turning over the roster and drafting for skill. A minority of fans were calling for those changes, so he would have been seen as aggressive, not placating.

As opposed to BLuc who’ve done nothing but be reactive to the actual NHL team. Full marks for keeping picks and Lombardi’s scouting staff in place, but those moves are table stakes.

With respect to Pearson and Toffoli, Blake signed their second contracts. Both given four years, I believe, coming off mixed results during their ELCs. Neither negotiation stretched out or were seen as good value contracts at the time. Both done quickly during the summer to make sure there were no distractions.

I think DL was loyal to a fault not stubborn. He wanted to re-tool this club before he was canned.

 

[kings11]

tsn reported the deal went down between rounds with montreal so ur wong about the first it was our 2nd in the deal

No, that MaxPac deal was Muzzin, JAD and our 1st... that was the deal originally, after the 1st rd passed I’m sure the pick went lower but the original deal was what I said

 

[Fat Elvis]

Off topic but got me thinking. Is Clague the 3rd best LHD prospect in the organization after Bjornfot and Anderson? I was hoping to see more from him. Not sure if I'm disappointed or if I'm expecting too much from him. Small sample size, but it looks like Bjornfot and Anderson are well on their way to becoming future NHL players, where Clague besides his skating is still dealing with the speed and size of the players. Not harping on the kid and I'm not saying he's horrible. Just it appears he's been passed on the depth chart possibly. Maybe he becomes an enticing add to one of the deals that are bound to take place before the TDL. Anyway, just something stupid that I was thinking about.

 

[Schmooley]

Yea i was wondering the same about Clague. With Bjornfot and Anderson coming up, and Forbort and maybe Hutton sticking around a couple more years, he may be too far down the depth chart to get a shot. Maybe by camp next year he is a more complete player. If they dont see him in the future plans it may be worth adding him in a deal.

 

[kings11]

Off topic but got me thinking. Is Clague the 3rd best LHD prospect in the organization after Bjornfot and Anderson? I was hoping to see more from him. Not sure if I'm disappointed or if I'm expecting too much from him. Small sample size, but it looks like Bjornfot and Anderson are well on their way to becoming future NHL players, where Clague besides his skating is still dealing with the speed and size of the players. Not harping on the kid and I'm not saying he's horrible. Just it appears he's been passed on the depth chart possibly. Maybe he becomes an enticing add to one of the deals that are bound to take place before the TDL. Anyway, just something stupid that I was thinking about.

Based on the preseason, I would agree that both Tobias and Mikey have surpassed him as prospects..
Regulate would be able to give you a better read on him as would some other posters that see many more Reign games.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Off topic but got me thinking. Is Clague the 3rd best LHD prospect in the organization after Bjornfot and Anderson? I was hoping to see more from him. Not sure if I'm disappointed or if I'm expecting too much from him. Small sample size, but it looks like Bjornfot and Anderson are well on their way to becoming future NHL players, where Clague besides his skating is still dealing with the speed and size of the players. Not harping on the kid and I'm not saying he's horrible. Just it appears he's been passed on the depth chart possibly. Maybe he becomes an enticing add to one of the deals that are bound to take place before the TDL. Anyway, just something stupid that I was thinking about.

Bjornfot and Anderson have surpassed Clague. It's not that Clague is lacking in terms of ability, skating and skill; he just seems to not possess elite sense (without pinpointing real flaws; limited viewings I have seen...he did not look close to ready in the preseaon game I saw him) that Bjornfot and Anderson have. It's entirely possible that Cole Hults and / or Jacob Moverare could end up being the 3rd and 4th best LHD prospects in the system. This year is an important one for Clague to develop and will have a clearer picture on where he stands in the system later on this season.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I did a double take when I saw who wrote this article.

 

[Brodeur]

The Kings were also going to coax Wayne Gretzky out of retirement and acquire Connor McDavid for Kyle Clifford, Trevor Lewis, and future top pairing defenseman Paul LaDue, according to hockeybuzzinsidrrrr.

Reminds me of a story from Phil Esposito's autobiography. He was GM of Tampa back when they were owned by a mystery Japanese consortium which might have been a front for the Yakuza. In the mid-90s they put the team on the market and the Maloof brothers became prospective buyers. It got the point where the Maloofs sent some crony to shadow Esposito and the management team. Esposito recalled that this guy would have brilliant input like "You guys should really trade for Paul Kariya" as if that were a trivial task.

 

[Little Psycho]

Must be a slow news day for Espn.

 

[Little Psycho]

All I'm interested is Doughty's post game comments for tonight and the media taking it out of context.

 

[KINGS17]

McLellan to Yawney, "Broken Arrow!!!"

Message comes up to press box where Robitaille and Blake are sitting. Robitaille: "Broken Arrow?" Blake: "That means a coach is surrounded by lazy stiffs, and is calling in every free agent for support." Robitaille: "My God, there's no hiding it now. This team sucks."

Unfortunately, the free agents out there don't have any live ammo to take out the stiffs.

 

[YP44]

Must be a slow news day for Espn.

when it comes to hockey every day is a slow news day for ESPN

 

[raswilliam]

I did a double take when I saw who wrote this article.

the dude collecting paychecks from the Isles until 2100 a.d.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]