2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[Steve Zissou]

 

[regulate]

you rock bro

Line Rushes this morning:

Grunny-Kopi-Carts
Iafallo-Kempe-Brown
Cliffy-Lizotte-Wags-Lewis
Porky-Amadio-Kovi-Toff

Interesting setup honestly. I like the idea of a Porky-Amadio-Kovalchuk line and it's nice to see Grunny being thrown right on the top line with Kopitar. Pretty excited to see how it shakes out on Wednesday.

Brown has not had even a single point in the last 7 games.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[Seventyx7]

It is. They offered Pacioretty 6 x 6 to fit both deals under their cap..

Muzzin being included? I don't think so.

 

[Bandit]

Muzzin being included? I don't think so.

Can you imagine if that happened though? What a disaster. No Grundstrom, no Durzi, no Bjornfot. We should consider ourselves damn lucky that we dodged Lucic and this debacle in a 3 year span.

 

[scramble91]

Based on what I have observed Lewis, Toffoli, and Wagner seem to struggle the most when it comes to the system changes on the forward side. I’m surprised the most with Lewis as he isn’t using his speed (unless he lost it).

I kind of want to see a line with Lizotte Kempe and Iafallo. The 2 puck hounds can cover the IQ issues with Kempe and they would be playing against 3-4 lines.

On the D side, Martinez and Roy seem to get caught in no mans quite a bit as well. I want to see Ladue (if he found his confidence) or Clague get a shot.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Management has consistently made moves to placate fans. Stevens firing, Pearson trade, Kovalchuk signing, TM making statements about the team that echo 2 year old fan sentiments. It’s transparent and obvious that BLuc are knuckle effing their way through the job.

And we have to remember, Quick was a surprise. He wasn't supposed to be the guy. You have to get lucky to be great sometimes.

The only missed opportunity after 17-18 is trading Doughty. However, other than him wanting out, I don't think he was going anywhere, even if the 17-18 team finished last overall. He's part of the Quick/Brown/Kopitar group. They all got their contracts, and if he wanted to stay, he was going to get paid for the Cups. It's not smart, it's not right, but it was something that was inevitable if he wanted it. Even if the Kings had a universally accepted great GM, I don't think he would've wanted to be the guy known as the guy that traded Doughty. Players like that don't move unless they request it.

Good or bad, I don't think that one can be put into the missed opportunity category.



Why do you think management has to placate anything? They've told us, repeatedly, that they are not about winning right now. That they fully expect this team to be bad for a while. That they cannot compete with the veterans on this roster. If Kovalchuk gets scratched, that's all a head coach thing. No hardcore fan cares. No casual fan is going to care or know what a Kovalchuk is. Management stopped trying to sell things a year ago. They're not trying to fool anyone anymore. They're trying to suck. Or, they've accepted that the roster sucks. They're done trying to pull a fast one on everybody. They're promoting college games because they don't care about the current roster.



He can quit, the cap hit just doesn't go away. That's why nobody is trading for him until at least the summer, and he's all in on playing the 20-21 season. Because nobody wants to be stuck with even 50% of his hit if it's dead space. Even then, Kovalchuk is a high maintenance player. You have to git him into a system, he has to find the right C to play with, he does his own thing, etc. Which means it's probably more likely that it's no earlier than the 2021 deadline before he's gone. Unless he goes back to Russia this summer.

 

[YP44]

Based on what I have observed Lewis, Toffoli, and Wagner seem to struggle the most when it comes to the system changes on the forward side. I’m surprised the most with Lewis as he isn’t using his speed (unless he lost it).

I kind of want to see a line with Lizotte Kempe and Iafallo. The 2 puck hounds can cover the IQ issues with Kempe and they would be playing against 3-4 lines.

On the D side, Martinez and Roy seem to get caught in no mans quite a bit as well. I want to see Ladue (if he found his confidence) or Clague get a shot.

I have liked a lot of Wagner's game and would like more of Wagner, Lizotte, Clifford.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Management has consistently made moves to placate fans. Stevens firing, Pearson trade, Kovalchuk signing, TM making statements about the team that echo 2 year old fan sentiments. It’s transparent and obvious that BLuc are knuckle effing their way through the job.

What would be a non-placating move? Was firing Murray placating fans? Was getting Richards and Carter placating fans? Would getting Lucic, or not buying out Richards, be examples of non-placating moves? TM wasn't here to 2 years ago to start sentiments. Would keeping Stevens have been the right move by going against everyone that never wanted Stevens to be the coach to begin with?

Realistically, in the confines of what the league is, what should BLuc be doing right now? Since we all dislike this team, should they try to win so that they're not placating fans who are all onboard with the rebuilding? I don't get what you want.

 

[Seventyx7]

Can you imagine if that happened though? What a disaster. No Grundstrom, no Durzi, no Bjornfot. We should consider ourselves damn lucky that we dodged Lucic and this debacle in a 3 year span.

Totally agree. The Max-Pac stuff falling through was absolutely huge to refill the cupboard. Imagine Turcotte + JAD + (Muzzin??) for 6 years of Max-Pac, then realizing we have to rebuild. Would have been a disaster. That's why the Kovalchuk stuff doesn't bother me so much. Obviously it hasn't worked at all, and he's terrible. But we don't really need the cap space right now, and he's helping improve our draft positioning.

 

[kings11]

Totally agree. The Max-Pac stuff falling through was absolutely huge to refill the cupboard. Imagine Turcotte + JAD + (Muzzin??) for 6 years of Max-Pac, then realizing we have to rebuild. Would have been a disaster. That's why the Kovalchuk stuff doesn't bother me so much. Obviously it hasn't worked at all, and he's terrible. But we don't really need the cap space right now, and he's helping improve our draft positioning.

Muzzin+JAD+ the Kupari pick...
The FO actually had talks with Toronto about Nylander and were willing to do Muzzin+Toffoli+ 1st aka Turcotte but Toronto wanted Clague too and we refused and it deal that horrible deal!!!

 

[crassbonanza]

Muzzin+JAD+ the Kupari pick...
The FO actually had talks with Toronto about Nylander and were willing to do Muzzin+Toffoli+ 1st aka Turcotte but Toronto wanted Clague too and we refused and it deal that horrible deal!!!

Where did you hear this?

 

[Statto]

LOL, really?
You are really reaching with the Phaneuf part bro. It's not like Lombardi traded younger assets or draft picks for him.

Exactly it was a player past his best with a bad contract moved for a player past his best with a bad contract. Phaneuf was even serviceable for a little while, so you could argue we ‘won’ the trade lol

 

[Bandit]

Totally agree. The Max-Pac stuff falling through was absolutely huge to refill the cupboard. Imagine Turcotte + JAD + (Muzzin??) for 6 years of Max-Pac, then realizing we have to rebuild. Would have been a disaster. That's why the Kovalchuk stuff doesn't bother me so much. Obviously it hasn't worked at all, and he's terrible. But we don't really need the cap space right now, and he's helping improve our draft positioning.

Christ I didn't even consider that we would have added more prospects. Anyone who wants to blame the hockey gods for our misfortunes you can stop here. Oof

 

[Statto]

I like Grundstrom with Kopitar, but nor sure about Carter. He knows how to play with Kopi, so here’s hoping.

 

[kings11]

Where did you hear this?

It was widely reported by multiple outlets..
Not sure how you missed it, I was losing my shit reading those rumors... thank goodness GM Dumbass signed Nylander and saved our asses

 

[regulate]

It was widely reported by multiple outlets..
Not sure how you missed it, I was losing my **** reading those rumors... thank goodness GM Dumbass signed Nylander and saved our asses

Maybe you can find a link to that, I never heard anything remotely like this either.

 

[crassbonanza]

It was widely reported by multiple outlets..
Not sure how you missed it, I was losing my **** reading those rumors... thank goodness GM Dumbass signed Nylander and saved our asses

Which outlets? Are you talking about hockeybuzz?

I don't rememeber ever hearing Muzzin-Toffoli+1st for Nylander ever being mentioned by anyone of note.

If that really was offered and Dubas turned it down, then he may be one of the worst GM's in the league. Especially since he turned around and traded Grunnstrom/Durzi/1st for Muzzin, he would have basically turned down the equivalent of two 1sts, two 2nds and Toffoli for a Nylander who was holding out at the time.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

It is. They offered Pacioretty 6 x 6 to fit both deals under their cap..

The proposed Pacioretty trade was at the draft; Kovalchuk was signed in free agency (i.e., they were completely different temporally, so they could not have known Kovalchuk's cap hit would come in at $6.25 million). No reporting at the time or after indicated the Kings were going after both Pacioretty and Kovalchuk. The reporting was that they were going to add "a" scoring winger, not multiple.

Most notably, even assuming your scenario of Pacioretty at $6 million, they did not have the cap space. They started the season at just a shade under $79 million for their cap hit. If you subtract Muzzin's $4 million and add $6 million for Pacioretty, that would put them almost $1.5 million over the $79.5 million cap ceiling for last season. Most importantly, they would not have had Pacioretty at $6 million.

“The deal was done,” said a source familiar of the negotiations. “Max got a call from (general manger Marc Bergevin) telling him that he had been traded to the Kings. But the trade was conditional on Max signing a long-term deal with L.A.”

The trade evaporated after Pacioretty said he wasn’t willing to sign an extension. There was a time element involved because Los Angeles’ first-round pick (20th overall) was part of the return to Montreal.

Canadiens captain Max Pacioretty rejected trade to Kings, source says

6. Sometime before Round 2, Montreal went to Max Pacioretty with a trade offer from the Kings. An extension was included. It was time-sensitive, because 2018 draft picks were included. Pacioretty said no, and switched agents to Allan Walsh. Can it be revived? Not sure. I do think the Kings considered adding two scorers, not stopping with Ilya Kovalchuk. But the issue is going to be Pacioretty’s next contract.

I do believe he would like to play in Los Angeles, but would also like to make up for what he left on the table with the Canadiens. LA can’t fit that. Pacioretty is upset and the Canadiens are upset, so even though word was they may keep him now, that’s going to be awkward if it happens. GM Marc Bergevin will revisit this, maybe depending on who misses their target on July 1.

7. There were rumblings Jake Muzzin was part of the Pacioretty trade, but that was denied.

31 Thoughts: All eyes on John Tavares during UFA interview period - Sportsnet.ca

As The Athletic’s Pierre LeBrun reported, a trade with the Los Angeles Kings was in place in the days preceding the draft. It’s not known who would be coming back in such a deal, but we heard the name of Jake Muzzin possibly being involved in a package. However the trade was hinging on Pacioretty accepting a contract extension from the Kings and he didn’t do that. So the trade fell through.

It is no coincidence that this change in agents happened the day after the first round of the draft. The hours preceding the draft was the perfect time to trade a high calibre player because of the availability of first round picks to help complete a complicated deal.

The complicated mess that led Max Pacioretty and Marc...

According to TSN 690's Tony Marinaro, Pacioretty refused the Kings extension as he's looking for a major payday. Marinaro states that the Kings offered Pacioretty a six year deal worth $6million a season, however Pacioretty is looking for an eight year deal worth $8million a season. Pacioretty refused the deal and eventually actually fired his agent Pat Brisson and ended up hiring Allan Walsh.

Why The Pacioretty Trade To Los Angeles Fell Apart.

So, no. The Kings were not getting Pacioretty at $6 million, and the fact that they offered him something below what he was willing to accept appears to be why the trade fell apart.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Actually, not that I wanted MacPac anyway, but just one more reason to hate him and VGK

 

[Bandit]

Actually, not that I wanted MacPac anyway, but just one more reason to hate him and VGK

Hate him? We should be thanking him for saving us from our own stupid GM.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The Kings were also going to coax Wayne Gretzky out of retirement and acquire Connor McDavid for Kyle Clifford, Trevor Lewis, and future top pairing defenseman Paul LaDue, according to hockeybuzzinsidrrrr.

 

[kings11]

Which outlets? Are you talking about hockeybuzz?

I don't rememeber ever hearing Muzzin-Toffoli+1st for Nylander ever being mentioned by anyone of note.

If that really was offered and Dubas turned it down, then he may be one of the worst GM's in the league. Especially since he turned around and traded Grunnstrom/Durzi/1st for Muzzin, he would have basically turned down the equivalent of two 1sts, two 2nds and Toffoli for a Nylander who was holding out at the time.

correction, it was Muzzin, Pearson and 1st..
I saw it in TSN, then TFP, I wanna day either Lebrun or Dreger and a few more..

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Hate him? We should be thanking him for saving us from our own stupid GM.

Don't rob me of my hate for Vegas.

 

[crassbonanza]

correction, it was Muzzin, Pearson and 1st..
I saw it in TSN, then TFP, I wanna day either Lebrun or Dreger and a few more..

For Nylander? Was this in the offseason or at midseason?

I have a hard time believing the Kings would have been interested in trading their 1st rounder along with Muzzin and Pearson when the team was in the basement. The only thing I can find about the Kings and Nylander from TSN is an article that mentions the Kings among others to be teams that have shown interest. I don't see anything about a potential trade including a 1st, Muzzin and Pearson. Why wouldn't think Kings just offersheet him at that point?

This seems to be the only source reporting that possibility and it doesn't include a 1st round pick:

https://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-ru...nder-carolina-hurricanes-la-kings/2018/11/05/

It also doesn't seem like a very reliable source.