2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[regulate]

The Kings are the parent organization so yeah its more important that they know that they got rather than worry about the Reign. If they can try out Cal and see if he can come up big and win games then that's someone you take a better look at.

Tell me what's more important the Kings goaltending situation or the reigns?

Yes, I agree, the Kings should always be the primary concern of the organization. But what about carrying 3 goalies on the roster, and why 10 games? And why, when the NHL team management knows they are not in contention this season? Should we not bring the kids up in a positive situation in the AHL to build upon future success?

 

[Choralone]

What approach maximized the Kings' chances in winning a Stanley Cup? This year is a write-off. It's awful to watch but we don't need to damage our chances in the future by throwing our promising youth at an insoluble problem to rescue the sorry team of today - which has a snowball's chance of doing anything impactful anyway.

 

[Johnny Utah]

BTW, during a recent game Walker was interviewed after the game and the dude has huge mitts. He is small, but he looks to be in shape and pretty wide.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

WTF are you talking about?? what trade was made??
The offer was leading right up to the draft dude, we must be talking about two different trades!
I'm talking about and have been for the past day, talking about the near death blow Blake and Co almost dealt the franchise when they were engaged in talks with the TML... obvoiusly Muzzin still ended up there but in the 1st month of the season the rumors were Muzzin, Pearson and our 2019 1st.. (I incorrectly thought it was Toffoli).. Keep in mind we were bad but not in last place and had a little run where we were a few points off the wildcard.. The Blues were dead last during this time, the Canes were rumored to be our competition for Nylander though TML wanted Pesce..

Montreal and la had completed a deal on Friday night after the draft. It was conditional on Patches resigning Bob mackenzie who is the best insider in the nhl if u haven't hear of him report on tsn video that the deal involved he 2nd round pick so patches had to be signed by then He didn't sign deal was dead I hope I didn't make my words to hard to understand for u.Feel free to ask for more information if u don't get what I am talking about

 

[kings11]

Montreal and la had completed a deal on Friday night after the draft. It was conditional on Patches resigning Bob mackenzie who is the best insider in the nhl if u haven't hear of him report on tsn video that the deal involved he 2nd round pick so patches had to be signed by then He didn't sign deal was dead I hope I didn't make my words to hard to understand for u.Feel free to ask for more information if u don't get what I am talking about

TF are you taking about, i could care less about patches... The whole thing was about William Nylander and no your words weren't too hard to comprehend you prick

 

[lumbergh]

It's right at the beginning?

"He's known throughout the NHL for his reaction speed. But in January, the Milford, Connecticut, native will be 34 years old, and it is easy to say Father Time has caught up to his style of play."

Yeah, I get that. That's why I said he leaped right over it. Then went straight to "his game is fixable. Just do this that and the other."

I'm making the point that DiPietro maybe should have stopped and considered the easy answer as well.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

TF are you taking about, i could care less about patches... The whole thing was about William Nylander and no your words weren't too hard to comprehend you prick

Read post 912 which i quoted u said it was a 1st ..... for patches so i was quoting u on this not anything to do with nylander Have a nice day

 

[KingsFan7824]

Good article, but it leaps right over the possibility that Jonathan Quick has gotten old and too slow. The league has changed, but I don't think Quick has adapted his game or gotten better and faster to adjust. His rebound control has been off for a year now. He's always been good at making himself bigger, but shooters are more accurate now, especially going high on him. His lateral movement and reaction time also seem a touch slower; he no longer has that explosiveness that gets him across the crease in time. When he guesses, he's guessing wrong more often.

I don't think Quick's game will recover. I say this as a huge fan, and with no pleasure. He needs to realize that his time is up.

He's old, and the team isn't as good at making the most of his athleticism, which the Cup teams were. In terms of time being up, you mean like retiring? He's still making plenty of money for the next few years, with zero pressure. Other than a buyout, he's not going anywhere.

Well it's not only that. Our defense sucks too. Quick played his best when our dmen forced bad shots and blocked passing lanes. Quick isnt good and he was never a system goalie. But our defense definitely was much better back then. Now there's a bunch of cross ice passes that rarely get blocked, Quick always over commits which is his problem but the defense doesn't really help him either.

Quicks not a good goalie anymore. He's too slow and his play style is actually bad for younger inexperienced Dmen since defensive awareness takes time to develop.

Lastly, Kings if the Kings want to try their options they should try Cal Petersen. If they're fine with tanking then so be it.


Not gonna win with arguably the worst goaltending tandem in the league, and close to the worst if not the worst defense in the league. Cal can maybe do a better job in winning games and bailing out the defense.


Quick hasn't been winning games nor coming up big. Almost every dangerous opportunity has ended up in the net. You're only as good as your goaltender.

Petersen has the 2 way portion this year for a reason. Outside of injury, he's going to be in Ontario. TM has already said he'd rather have 1 extra F and D, and that's it. That doesn't sound like 3 goalies is much of an option. Quick will get bought out, or Campbell will get traded(during or after the season), and then Petersen will get his time. Unless Campbell plays so poorly that you get more for Petersen in a trade, because then you just trade Petersen. He's going to be 27 and a UFA before the team is any good anyway.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

TF are you taking about, i could care less about patches... The whole thing was about William Nylander and no your words weren't too hard to comprehend you prick

That Nylander "rumor" is complete bullshit. If such a rumor was out there or reported by a reputable source, Toronto media and fans would have been all over it and we would've been reading about it constantly. You should spend less time on those crappy trade rumor sites that make up a bunch of horse manure.

If you can find some evidence to support your claims, provide some links.

 

[Sausages]

you are changing your story now



Petersen already played 11 games last season and will likely be up at some point for a taste. The kings know how to develop goalies. Let the experts do their job.

The Kings appeared to know how to develop goalies while their defense was up to the task. Remember how they made Budaj look like like a decent starter. Now, not so much.

 

[Lt Dan]

The Kings appeared to know how to develop goalies while their defense was up to the task. Remember how they made Budaj look like like a decent starter. Now, not so much.

WTF are you talking about?
Appeared? LOL

You are forgetting a lot of goalies . Remember Jones?. They also turned Campbell's career around . Kuemper had a resurgence. Zatkoff came through the org before having some great years in Pittsburgh
The numbers that Scrivens put up while here and for a little while after?

 

[Sausages]

WTF are you talking about?
Appeared? LOL

You are forgetting a lot of goalies . Remember Jones?. They also turned Campbell's career around . Kuemper had a resurgence. Zatkoff came through the org before having some great years in Pittsburgh
The numbers that Scrivens put up while here and for a little while after?

LOL, all those names you mentioned have faded or are fading into obscurity. Jones, LOL, Scrivens, LOL, Zatkoff, ROFL. They did OK for a while behind our defense. Your making my argument for me, dude.

 

[Lt Dan]

LOL, all those names you mentioned have faded or are fading into obscurity. Jones, LOL, Scrivens, LOL, Zatkoff, ROFL. They did OK for a while behind our defense. Your making my argument for me, dude.

All did well but their skills faded under new coaching after they left ours. It's a sign of good coaching. Maybe try watching the games

Your argument was dumb and incorrect in the first place, no one should have ever made it

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The Kings appeared to know how to develop goalies while their defense was up to the task. Remember how they made Budaj look like like a decent starter. Now, not so much.

it's almost as if goalie coaching is part of adjusting to a new system, as well.

Imagine being so confident making the statement you made after 12 games while completely ignoring literally hundreds of games of evidence to the contrary.

 

[Lt Dan]

Notice how J0nes' stats get worse every year? That is called coaching. He is obviously missing it

Season	Team	GP	GS	W	L	T	OT	SA	GA	GAA	S	Sv%	SO	MIN
2013-2014	LAK	19	18	12	6	--	0	500	33	1.81	467	.934	4	1,095
2014-2015	LAK	15	11	4	5	--	2	307	29	2.24	278	.906	3	775
2015-2016	SJS	65	65	37	23	--	4	1,734	143	2.27	1,591	.918	6	3,786
2016-2017	SJS	65	65	35	23	--	6	1,725	152	2.40	1,573	.912	2	3,800
2017-2018	SJS	60	60	30	22	0	6	1,699	145	2.55	1,554	.915	4	3,416
2018-2019	SJS	62	62	36	19	0	5	1,699	176	2.94	1,523	.896	3	3,597
2019-2020	SJS	10	9	2	6	0	1	292	32	3.57	260	.890	0	538

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[kingsholygrail]

Bill Ranford was the only coach I didn't want them to fire.

 

[King'sPawn]

Bill Ranford was the only coach I didn't want them to fire.

Don't forget Dusty Imoo. He's over in the KHL now, but he did a great job with the goalies, in particular Jack Campbell.

 

[Choralone]

Yeah, the goalie crew is/was solid

 

[Sausages]

Notice how J0nes' stats get worse every year? That is called coaching. He is obviously missing it

Season	Team	GP	GS	W	L	T	OT	SA	GA	GAA	S	Sv%	SO	MIN
2013-2014	LAK	19	18	12	6	--	0	500	33	1.81	467	.934	4	1,095
2014-2015	LAK	15	11	4	5	--	2	307	29	2.24	278	.906	3	775
2015-2016	SJS	65	65	37	23	--	4	1,734	143	2.27	1,591	.918	6	3,786
2016-2017	SJS	65	65	35	23	--	6	1,725	152	2.40	1,573	.912	2	3,800
2017-2018	SJS	60	60	30	22	0	6	1,699	145	2.55	1,554	.915	4	3,416
2018-2019	SJS	62	62	36	19	0	5	1,699	176	2.94	1,523	.896	3	3,597
2019-2020	SJS	10	9	2	6	0	1	292	32	3.57	260	.890	0	538

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Just answer me this, was he playing in front of the same defense?? Can you not see the pattern?

 

[Sausages]

it's almost as if goalie coaching is part of adjusting to a new system, as well.

Imagine being so confident making the statement you made after 12 games while completely ignoring literally hundreds of games of evidence to the contrary.

I'm only saying that there is a correlation between great defense and great goaltending with this team, and crappy defense and goalies being exposed as average. Not rocket science.

This is not based on the last 12 games, it's been obvious for a couple of years, IMHO.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I'm only saying that there is a correlation between great defense and great goaltending with this team, and crappy defense and goalies being exposed as average. Not rocket science.

This is not based on the last 12 games, it's been obvious for a couple of years, IMHO.

So why were Petersen's and Campbell's numbers so good last year, with a shit defense? How about Quick's the year before with thin depth and a Stevens system?

Agree with the general sentiment that goalies and defense are a symbiotic relationship. But you're taking it to its extreme imo

 

[Lt Dan]

Just answer me this, was he playing in front of the same defense?? Can you not see the pattern?

That is a pretty dumb question
Of course he wasnt playing in front of the exact same defense. The Sharks do have a pretty solid corps tho. At least before Karlsson

What you are choosing to ignore is the pattern. The longer he is away from the coaching he was receiving here, the more his stats worsen.

That is called coaching.

If the defense were the thing saving him, his stats would have immediately plummeted and stayed that way
Note that he was an all-star in 201 . Without the Kings defense in front of him.
Also note that the Kings defense has not been good since we lost Mitchell and Voynov. McNabb was decent but the rest aside from Walker have been pretty scary

 

[lumbergh]

He's old, and the team isn't as good at making the most of his athleticism, which the Cup teams were. In terms of time being up, you mean like retiring? He's still making plenty of money for the next few years, with zero pressure. Other than a buyout, he's not going anywhere.



Petersen has the 2 way portion this year for a reason. Outside of injury, he's going to be in Ontario. TM has already said he'd rather have 1 extra F and D, and that's it. That doesn't sound like 3 goalies is much of an option. Quick will get bought out, or Campbell will get traded(during or after the season), and then Petersen will get his time. Unless Campbell plays so poorly that you get more for Petersen in a trade, because then you just trade Petersen. He's going to be 27 and a UFA before the team is any good anyway.

Yup, I think if Quick’s numbers don’t recover by the end of November, he should gracefully let McLellan move him into backup status, then retire at the end of the season. He’s a proud guy, so maybe he just plays out his contract or makes the Kings buy him out. On the other hand, he’s a proud guy, so maybe he doesn’t saddle the only team he has played for and rides into the sunset as one of the greatest American goalies ever.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Looks like anyone who thought the Kings could get a first round pick for Tyler Toffoli can temper their expectations.

 

[Sausages]

That is a pretty dumb question
Of course he wasnt playing in front of the exact same defense. The Sharks do have a pretty solid corps tho. At least before Karlsson

What you are choosing to ignore is the pattern. The longer he is away from the coaching he was receiving here, the more his stats worsen.

That is called coaching.

If the defense were the thing saving him, his stats would have immediately plummeted and stayed that way
Note that he was an all-star in 201 . Without the Kings defense in front of him.
Also note that the Kings defense has not been good since we lost Mitchell and Voynov. McNabb was decent but the rest aside from Walker have been pretty scary

You just can't prove that it's all to do with the coaching. Did Patrick Roy get worse when he was traded, for example. You'll get found out for what you are eventually and as you say, the Sharks defense has got weaker and so has Jones numbers. Did Zatkoff's career resurrect itself in LA or has he disappeared?

I do think Kuemper was OK.